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The Real Enemy May Not Be Sargeras?

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Il'gynoth whispers suggest a very different endgame for WoW.

 

I'm a bit of a lore enthusiast, but the kind that doesn't really dig in too deep and really hates that most of the important and deeper information about the Warcraft universe is presented in ancillary sources outside of the game like the books, comics and (seriously, why...) audio dramas. My guild didn't quite make it to Il'gynoth in the Emerald Nightmare yet, but apparently he spills the beans on some serious lore-related information and luckily, we have intrepid interpreters from reddit that gathered all the available info and gave us the possible meanings of these whispers you get from the boss. Obviously, spoilers ahead:

  • "The boy-king serves at the master's table. Three lies he will offer you."
  • "Flesh is his gift. He is your true creator."
  • "The king of diamonds has been made a pawn."
  • "Five keys to open our way. Five torches to light our path"
  • "Her heart is a crater, and we have filled it."
  • "To find him, drown yourself in a circle of stars."
  • "The lord of ravens will turn the key."
  • "At the hour of her third death, she will usher in our coming".

Now there have been many interpretations on what all this means and redditor thevyrd gathered them all up and also gave us his (very good) interpretation of what they mean. It's a long read but well worth it if you care even a little about the overall story of Warcraft and what exactly is happening in the background of all of our "heroic" deeds.

There's too much to quote here and snippets wouldn't really help in most of the explanations for the lines, but I have to share this one as it basically casts a huge shadow over everything we're doing in Legion:

"The king of diamonds has been made a pawn."
Magni Bronzebeard was the King of Ironforge. He got freaky with some ritual. His skin is now diamonds. He woke up. He "speaks to azeroth". Uh huh...I'm sure it's Azeroth hes speaking to. Oh yea he also told us to get the FIVE Pillars of Creation.

Honestly, whether you like lore or not you should check out this post and read through it all, it has some very fascinating theories that are actually very likely to be true.

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Just to note that I have to completely disagree with his take on Jaina and think it's more likely the "heart" refers to Azeroth the titan.

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I've been chomping at the bit ever since this expansion came out for reasoning behind this path.  It makes sense, being tied into WoD's end, yad yada yada...

But what was the purpose of the Legion?  To wipe out life.  Because somewhere I had read that it was another, unseen force that was looking to do something even more insidious with that life than the legion just simply ending it. 

When I saw Il'Gynoth I was partially interest-piqued...  Then I heard him talking and I went full-bore nerdgasm.

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Except for his analysis of: Her heart is a crater, and we have filled it.

I think his analysis is good. He's biaised on the Naaru but that's ok since we don't really know their motivations and his analysis is making some sense.

I'm pretty sure the " At the hour of her third death, she will usher in our coming " may refer to Sylvanas. This one is the one puzzling me the most but the hypothesis of Azeroth "dying" for the third time is true but she's not really dying. Not like the Banshee Queen...

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  • "Her heart is a crater, and we have filled it." 

Well if we're talking about Old Gods. Then this reference could mean Sylvanas. It is rumored that there is an old god buried either near or under undercity and that it whispers to her corrupting her. An if you look at her backstory and lore then it does make sense and fit. 

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2 minutes ago, Lhoken said:
  • "Her heart is a crater, and we have filled it." 

Well if we're talking about Old Gods. Then this reference could mean Sylvanas. It is rumored that there is an old god buried either near or under undercity and that it whispers to her corrupting her. An if you look at her backstory and lore then it does make sense and fit. 

I believe it was confirmed that this was not an old god, but something else.

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5 hours ago, Starym said:

To find him, drown yourself in a circle of stars.

I hope this leads to the fire mage hidden artifact appearance too. Sounds like that.

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  • "The lord of ravens will turn the key."

I think this refers to Lord Jorach Ravenholdt from rogue orderhall or lord kur'talos ravencrest in black rook hold.

What do you think?

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2 hours ago, Arrown said:

I think this refers to Lord Jorach Ravenholdt from rogue orderhall or lord kur'talos ravencrest in black rook hold.

What do you think?

Odyn, I'd say.

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"The lord of ravens will turn the key."
Kurtalos Ravencrest is just too obvious. Who else is associated with ravens?

Anzu, the Raven Lord.

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Pretty sure Medivh will make a comeback and be the Lord Of Ravens, we even fight a shade of Medivh in 7.1. At the end of WC3 magical saviour ghost Medihv just vanishes, I think that since he's still the Guardian he'll come back in Azeroth's darkest hour. Blizz have -really- been pushing his character lately, in the film, in Heroes Of The Storm and now in the first content patch of Legion.

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1 hour ago, Valhalen said:

Anzu, the Raven Lord.

 

"You! You killed me in Sethekk halls every week for 2 years!"

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"What? NO, you cannot ride me.  WTF?"

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4 hours ago, Arrown said:

I think this refers to Lord Jorach Ravenholdt from rogue orderhall or lord kur'talos ravencrest in black rook hold.

What do you think?

My bet is either Medivh cos of 7.1 etc or Khadgar, which is the most direct and obvious one as he is the one orchestrating the hunt for the pillars and sealing the tomb.

Odyn may technically be titled as the Lord of Ravens but he really doesn't have much of anything to do with the Legion or the Old Gods. That may change in the Trial of Valor raid tho.

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9 hours ago, Starym said:

Odyn may technically be titled as the Lord of Ravens but he really doesn't have much of anything to do with the Legion or the Old Gods. That may change in the Trial of Valor raid tho.

I suppose neither did some of the other Watchers, but Yogg still managed to get his hands on them.

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I don't buy it.

The Old Gods have always tried to lie to us and psych us out. Why should we think they're suddenly being all altruistic and revealing their plans this time?

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On 9/23/2016 at 11:40 AM, PatrickHenry said:

I've been chomping at the bit ever since this expansion came out for reasoning behind this path.  It makes sense, being tied into WoD's end, yad yada yada...

But what was the purpose of the Legion?  To wipe out life.  Because somewhere I had read that it was another, unseen force that was looking to do something even more insidious with that life than the legion just simply ending it. 

When I saw Il'Gynoth I was partially interest-piqued...  Then I heard him talking and I went full-bore nerdgasm.

the void lords. Its the whole reason the legion runs rampant. When sargeras found out about the void lords he realized the only way to keep them at bay was to raze the cosmos. The only way he could think to do it was release the legion, and in shattering the prison world he became corruped by fel energy.

 

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He's that typical story of the guy that was so obsessed with eradicating the Void Lords and their servants, that he decided to destroy everything to stop it becoming corrupted. 

Seems pretty excessive, like, calm down man.

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I did Xavis with the guild on normal and hc and still I dislike Il´gynoth the most. This boss is a nightmare in.....wait a second I see what you did there blizzard ^^. But anyway the lore of him is quite interesting and his whispers remind of bosses like C´thun and other old gods, which I think is quite awesome.  Though I still dare say, that the boss fight itself made me very furious indeed, the damned debuff was annoying, especially if you are a caster.

All in all I do appreciate what they did with the emerald nightmare and do think it is quite a nice raid.

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4 hours ago, hochstepanzerjager said:

I'd like to point out he may be onto something with Kurtalos though. The European  name for a Raven is a Rook.

I just feel like it's too simple. They're evidently trying to pose a riddle, so why make it so easy?

Personally, I'd love to find out that this is somehow linked to Anzu and the prophecy of the Raven God.

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Nice article!

Was already on track of the Old Gods, as some of the event in legion link right in to them:

  • The pillars of creation were the tools used by the titans to seal away the Old Gods.
    So as in the article it makes sense that their pawns send us out to find the pillars to "stop the Legion", once that job is done we will be fighting to keep the pillars out of the Old Gods hands (or tentacles, mouths, whatever limbs they have)
  • Queen Azhara was created (from an Elven queen to a Naga) by N'Zoth
  • Xavius was created (from an Elf to a satyr) by N'Zoth
  • The Emerald Nightmare is created by N'Zoth 

You feel where I am going here, N'Zoth is the man, or rather God, that links in the story too many times to be coincidence.
He also layes dormant in the sunken city of Ny'alotha, his conscious seeping in to the Dream as the Nightmare.
As reffered to a sleeping ans drowning creature, also remark the death shriek of Il'Gynoth, he mentions a place he is going to after his death... *wink wink*

 

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      Tequila Sundown is a growing raid team formed within the <Karma Horde> guild on US-Stormreaver. Lead by a husband/wife team with high-level raiding experience dating back to WotLK, we're a "positively determined" progression team that maintains a light-hearted atmosphere while tackling mythic difficulty content. We're mature adults with jobs and family seeking like-minded players who have a passion for the game but want to avoid the needless angst or drama that often gets associated with progression raiding. We log on to have fun - so come have some fun with us!

      A Team Within a Community
      Our raid team is one of four within the larger guild of <Karma Horde>, which was formed back during WotLK. As such, the guild and Discord are very active and social. There are always people around online and in-game. The community atmosphere is welcoming and friendly to players of all levels. The guild enforces a Code of Conduct that has zero tolerance for hate/offensive speech.

      We care more about the people we play with than their item levels or progression rankings. We want players who are going to log in on non-raid nights and be down for all the other things we're into: pushing mythic+, doing world quests, PVP shenanigans, achievement hunting, hyper-competitive fishing.. there's so much to do and so many ways to enjoy the game. This is our favorite hobby and we'd like to play with you if it is yours, too.

      Progression Goals
      We are 3/11 Mythic, Heroic AOTC Antorus progression.
      We strive for a fun environment that takes the challenges of mythic seriously and giving the content the respect it deserves. Our aim is, as all mythic teams, full clear of content but with always keeping the friendly spirit of camaraderie alive. Performance matters, but so does staying positive and finding the fun in the difficulty of a raid.
      We do not require mythic raid experience to join our team but we do expect mythic-level dedication and accountability from all of our raiders.

      Raid Days/Times
      Our mandatory raids are:
      Tuesdays 8:45pm PT - 11:45pm PT
      Thursdays 8:45pm PT - 11:45pm PT
      Optional:
      Sundays 8:45pm PT - 11:45pm PT
      Sundays are for raiding the previous raid difficulty.

      Recruitment Needs
      DPS: Will consider all specs, but would love to add a dedicated Shadow Priest & Elemental Shaman.

      The Nitty Gritty
      If you're intrigued, please check out our wiki on the <Karma Horde> subreddit. This will give you a deeper dive into the raid team.
      https://www.reddit.com/r/FTH/wiki/tequilasundown

      Contact Us
      You can reach us on bnet: joat#1832 & lambkill#1856
      or Discord: joat#1832 & saever#4432
    • By Stan

      The latest Alpha Build added Blight - a new Mythic Keystone affix. Damage and healing done is increased when injured, and reduced when healthy.
      Blight is a new interesting Keystone affix added in Battle for Azeroth Alpha Build 26032. Damage and healing done is increased when injured, so it will be up to the healers to find the sweet spot between having party members deal more damage and dead, because healing a player to full health will not be efficient if your party wants to utilize the damage increase.
      Affix Description Blight Damage and healing done increased when injured, and reduced when healthy.
      Relentless is a second affix that might be added in Battle for Azeroth. It has been around for a while, but hasn't been implemented yet. When the affix is active, trash mobs are temporarily immune to Loss of Control effect, meaning they can't be feared, mind controlled, stunned, rooted etc. for a short period of time.
      Affix Description Relentless Non-boss enemies are granted temporary immunity to Loss of Control effects.
      We'll keep you updated about new affixes as they become available.
    • By Stan

      Battle for Azeroth goes back to standard weapon drops. Check out new faction-themed weapons from Warfronts!
      Warfronts in Battle for Azeroth drop faction-themed items and our first preview covers weapons!
      We datamined the following weapons related to Warfronts so far (Alpha Build 26032):
      Alliance
      Bows

      Daggers

      Guns

      Maces (1H)

      Maces (2H)

      Off-Hands

      Polearms

      Shields

      Staves

      Swords (1H)

      Swords (2H)

      Wands

      Horde
      Axes (1H)

      Axes (2H)

      Bows

      Daggers

      Guns

      Maces (1H)

      Maces (2H)

      Off-Hands

      Polearms

      Shields

      Staves

      Swords (1H)

      Wands

      Warglaives

    • By Stan

      The WoW MVP program will be moved to an application-based recruitment system soon. Existing MVPs should reapply for the process. Open recruitment begins early next week, after the President's Day holiday in NA.
      Blizzard (Source)
      <This is going to be a bit of a meta discussion, and not something focused on World of Warcraft, as a whole. Those of you who are active on the forums and among the other World of Warcraft communities will probably have more thoughts on this than those who visit the forums on rare occasion.>

      Hey guys!

      Over the past year we've had it on our plate to breathe a bit of life in the MVP program for World of Warcraft (you may have seen me mention it here and there, and I know the MVPs have been eagerly waiting for movement on this). After nearly a year of discussions, we're finally ready to start moving forward with a refresh of the MVP program for World of Warcraft!

      Most of our active posters here know that when the MVP program was founded, it's goal was to recognize active forums poster who contributed to our community through things like high-quality class guides or assisting and guiding new players with helpful information. While being active and posting in a constructive manner will still be something we take into account, we realize that we now live in a world with Icy Veins, Wowhead, Reddit, and numerous other communities that didn't necessarily exist at the onset of this project. This leads our MVP group to not being able to actively fulfill it's original purpose on our singular forums platform.

      All of this led us to think we needed to be realigning the purpose of the program slightly, as we want to more actively empower the group to engage in discussions with us on various community issues, happening on the forums and in our greater community. This would also include working to provide insight into community and gameplay feedback they may see around the community, with direct conversations between the WoW community team and the WoW MVP group as a whole on a regular basis, much as we do in our conversations with folks on Reddit, Discord, etc., something that hasn't been utilized to its best.

      To facilitate this, we will be moving the WoW MVP program to an application-based recruitment system, which will address a few concerns we have currently with the recruitment process, as well as letting us asked targeted questions to candidates during certain recruitment periods, and hopefully widening the audience. We expect to open recruitment early next week, after the President’s Day holiday, so be on the lookout for a thread if you're interested!

      Of note, these changes DO NOT affect any region or franchise outside of World of Warcraft in North America, and these changes also do not apply to our awesome Customer and Technical Support MVPs who do great things.

      We look forward to getting to work on the program and hearing your feedback!
      I hope this doesn't mean Crepe is losing his MVP status. I notice community MVPs are not listed as being spared these changes.
      We're asking the MVPs to reapply for the process, but we will be keeping everyone who is able to meet the newer standards going forward! 

      I wouldn't expect any of the familiar faces you know to go away unless it's their own choice.