Shoortey

MM: How is barrage after nerf?

10 posts in this topic

Hello! Woundering if barrage will still be the number 1 talent to go for on mm hunter after the big barrage nerf (20% damage reduce)

 

Source: http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/5987-Patch-7-0-3-Class-Tuning-Hotfixes-September-23-Tanks-in-PvP-CM-Interaction

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It appears that Barrage is nerfed heavily. 

(5 targets, before nerf)

ddkxweE.jpg

(5 targets, after nerf)

cTehYz7.jpg

Volley does more sustained AOE damage on stacked targets, but it's an unlikely scenario, so Barrage will still be better when you need AOE burst or to cleave spread out targets.

(1 target, before nerf)

9BgirbV.jpg

(1 target, after nerf)

c6At8CQ.jpg

AMoC now does more purely single target damage, and you can get even more out of it by fishing for those cooldown resets. It's also an instant, costs less focus and has a longer cooldown, so easier to manage.

Basically blizzard is again forcing us into a bad situation of having to change talents before each boss, only now it costs a ludicrous amount of gold, unless you have a friendly warlock.

Edited by Iridar

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Why is everyone the sky is falling? First a blanket aoe should not be part of a single target cooldown, sorry that just my belief. Maybe it should have just been 10% or teh @0% with a slight buff to something else. Second i will be keeping barage for several fights just for blanket aoe misdirects.

Ursoc and Nyth maybe MOC.  As for switching specs? Get used to it and quit crying. I feel that anyone crying about 15k difference, probably doesn't even launch a binding shot in a raid or mythic+ to help trash and adds.

 

Needed to be nerfed though, should never have been first priority on single target.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Metztli said:

So we are fucked ? I can't believe Blizzard is doing this to us I really don't want to switch to BM or SV or another class at all.

You will have to adjust talents on some of the progression fights instead of just using Barrage all the time. That's the only consequence. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
38 minutes ago, Iridar said:

You will have to adjust talents on some of the progression fights instead of just using Barrage all the time. That's the only consequence. 

This.  

It's not fair to get upset when Blizz brings three talents so closely in line that there isn't a clear winner in every situation.  Choices, am I right?  And, you know, since they ARE so close, you might consider sticking with the one you enjoy the most.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, Aukatos said:

This.  

It's not fair to get upset when Blizz brings three talents so closely in line that there isn't a clear winner in every situation.  Choices, am I right?  And, you know, since they ARE so close, you might consider sticking with the one you enjoy the most.

Uh, what? There is a clear winner, it's just different for every fight. 

Pure single target or priority adds - AMoC.

Sustained stacked AOE - Volley.

Burst or spread out AOE - Barrage.

Though in case of pure single target patchwerk fight it might be worth switching to SV, which does about ~10% higher single target DPS.

Edited by Iridar

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
16 hours ago, Iridar said:

Uh, what? There is a clear winner, it's just different for every fight. 

Pure single target or priority adds - AMoC.

Sustained stacked AOE - Volley.

Burst or spread out AOE - Barrage.

Though in case of pure single target patchwerk fight it might be worth switching to SV, which does about ~10% higher single target DPS.

This is all correct, sorry for not being clear.

I mean there is not a single talent choice that will outperform the others ACROSS all fights.  Instead of switching to the best theorteical DPS talent for that individual fight, you could stick with the one you enjoy the most since they're so close in DPS.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It's not even that huge a deal. The order most raids are going is:

Nethendra> Ursoc - No adds so Murder of crows

Then the feild> Dragons> Tree> Spider Roc> Cenarius> Xavius all add fights. 

 

I spend 10k+ a night raiding > 1 clear mind for 300G isn't going to break the bank. 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

No veteran Hunter here, but i agree with the last posts above, basically i'm doing this:

Pure ST raid/M/M+ bosses: AMoC

M/M+ trash pulls only : Volley (as i do not like the thrill of mass pulling risk all the time)

Raid fights with any adds/raid thrash/questing and basically all the rest: Barrage

Frankly speaking i do not like much AMoC or Volley because i find Barrage super fun to use,

but quality of life for me and those i'm playing with is worth more than the visual boldness of the spell itself ;)

Only "limit" to this is moneywise, as self buffing and Tomes are quite expensive atm

Edited by Alben

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now


  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Similar Content

    • By Violentravi
      Hello,
      The Sworn is recruiting DPS.  We are a Horde guild on Arthas and our current progression is 4/9 Mythic TOS.  We only raid two nights a week, Tuesday and Wednesday from 9:05 PM until 12:05 AM Eastern.  Currently, our main goal is to push Mythis TOS progression versus clearing farmed content, please keep this in mind if you wish to join us.
      From you, we would expect 100% attendance during your trial period; after that if you cannot make a raid or will be late it is mandatory to keep the raid leader updated.  In order to continue making good progression while raiding only two nights a week, we expect that you know your class inside-out and will research any bosses you are unfamiliar with prior to raids.
       If you are interested, you can either reply to this thread and link your most recent combat logs for review or hit me up on battlenet, Violentnacho, recruiting officer (violentravi#1826.
      Thank you for your consideration
      Xoxo
      Violentnacho
    • By Tarnen
      According to Azortharion simulations, our best for Antorus will be Qapla/Soul+Dire Frenzy/OWTP , ¿what stats need this build? At this moment, we need Mastery/Haste for Dire Frenzy build and Critical/Haste for OWTP build: therefore, they are mutually exclusive, right?  Or at least I understand that.
      So, ¿what stats?
    • By Blue
      Looking for some advice about how to improve my DPS - I should be doing better than this I feel (using stomp build). My guild only raided NH HC and I got to the point where new gear was out-doing the 2pc 895 tier 19 set I had, which is why I'm not using 2pc tier 19 atm. If this was the wrong choice and I'm better dropping my ilevel to go back to it please let me know. I have most BM Leggos so again if I'm using the wrong combo please advise me. I would like to tweak my stats but not sure what gear would do me better than what I have. Any help you can give me would be so much appreciated.
       
      https://www.wowprogress.com/character/eu/silvermoon/Bluemõõn
      https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/silvermoon/bluemõõn
      https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6nvtzZP38HJxmARh
      https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/N289wvAyRHQhMTPa
      https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KFW3Zg1bPfLrm9Ad (ignore normal fights these were for achievements)
      https://www.warcraftlogs.com/guilds/259323 more if needed
       
      Thanks in advance.
    • By Assfault
      Hey all, Im new to survival hunter, i used to play bm/mm before, and with them i never really worried about what pet to use. With bm i just went with a random spirit beast and with mm i run the Lone Wolf talent. I get that the whole point of choosing a pet in survival is which will give to more procs of Mastery: Hunting Companion. Here's my question. Does a carrion bird's Bloody Screech and a tank pet's Thunderstomp have a chance to proc an addition charge of mongoose bite? and would Thunderstomp be more effective than Ferocity spec's Spiked Collar in procing mongoose bite?
    • By BuRnBuLL
      Hello everyone.
       
      I've been playing hunter MM as my main for a while, but lately i've noticed that my DPS output might not be as high as it should. A couple of months ago, I tought it might be my ilvl or my mastery that was too low, but i've tried different builds and i still can't get closer to some other hunters I run into some ToS H pugs.
       
      I'm actually sitting at 938 iLvl. Don't have many BiS, but my stats are kinda high. My weapon relics are bad(low ilvl, i'm still stuck with 915 relics), and I still didn't get any other good legendary besides the Soul of the Huntmaster.
       
      So my question is: Am I doing something wrong or it's just my relics/trinkets that aren't very decent? I was happy when i get past the 1M dps mark, but now i'm stuck at that point, and I can't see to get past that.
       
      Here's my armory link: https://worldofwarcraft.com/pt-br/character/azralon/piccola
       
      Hopefully you guys can help me out on this. Thanks!