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A couple of demo stat questions

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Just a couple of questions about stats.

I know that the stat priority for demo is

Int>hit to cap>haste to cap>mastery

But if using the ask mr robot tool what should I change the weights to? If I leave the numbers the same, but swapping the haste and mastery number and deleting crit. Then it tells me to use mostly burning primal rubies and such and I don't reach haste cap(I'm actually aiming at the 6k-ish affliction cap for off spec. But if I bump the weights up it tells me to use gems with less int more secondary stats.

Is there a set number I should put in to make the program optimize my gear correctly?

Also what's the haste cap(demo) I should aim for challenge modes?

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Really depends on what gear you're rolling.. trinkets and glyph make a difference

That being said some people prefer mastery to a cap then full haste.. and some prefer haste to a cap then full MASTERY

... so

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If you're affliction i would get to the 9800 cap .. idr exact number and then dumb all haste from there.

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What's your gear like?

From what I've learned from here, if you're around 510-515 ilvlish, you should start gemming for secondary stats instead of Int. What I do for my Ask Mr. Robot stuff is start with two runs in SimCraft. The first run I put myself a bit under the haste cap I'm wanting to push (I go for the 8096, 25% cap) to get my stat weights before the cap (which generally will put haste significantly higher for me, IIRC the last time I did it my below-cap haste was something like 4.24). For the second sim I push myself over the cap and use that number. Then, I just put those numbers into Ask Mr. Robot. I enable At Least mode and type in the number (since it doesn't recognize the 8096 cap as it requires a glyph). For the non-haste stats, I use the numbers from the second sim.

Actually, here are the numbers I was using before:

Intellect 5.23

Hit to Cap 5.14

Spellpower 4.25

Haste to Cap 4.24

Mastery 2.57

Haste after Cap 2.37

Crit 1.92

This properly puts my gear at hit cap, then gems yellow and reforges so that I just meet the haste cap and then put everything else into mastery. It leaves me at 8153 haste and 7280 mastery, which are roughly close (which is what truly matters). My off-spec is Destro for Primordius (only fight I bother switching for, I *hate* the way Affliction plays in MoP and have no desire to learn it), where haste caps aren't all that important.

The haste cap you go for should be whichever one you can COMFORTABLY reach. If you're having to gem pure haste without matching socket bonuses to get to it, you're going too far. If you're getting more than about 1-1.5k more haste than mastery, you're probably going too far. From all the top locks whose gear I've looked at that play Demo, they're all usually about 12-14k haste and 12-14k mastery, keeping them roughly even.

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Actually, here are the numbers I was using before:

Intellect 5.23

Hit to Cap 5.14

Spellpower 4.25

Haste to Cap 4.24

Mastery 2.57

Haste after Cap 2.37

Crit 1.92

This might be confusing to someone because if they punch in those weights, AMR might choose Intellect hybrids for Yellow and Blue sockets instead of pure secondaries for Yellow and Hit/secondary for Blue. The Haste to Cap of 4.24 passes the test, but Mastery at 2.57 is exactly half of Intellect's 5.14. To make sure AMR processes that you want Yellow gems in Yellow sockets, put Mastery at 3.00 and Haste after cap at 2.9. The actual number doesn't matter to AMR...it's just a priority on what stats to push towards.

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Is it important to leave crit on there at 1.92, or is it best to delete it. If i have crit on my optimized mastery drops by 3.66% but if I take crit off then it only drops my mastery by 2.37%

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Put Crit at 0.

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This might be confusing to someone because if they punch in those weights, AMR might choose Intellect hybrids for Yellow and Blue sockets instead of pure secondaries for Yellow and Hit/secondary for Blue. The Haste to Cap of 4.24 passes the test, but Mastery at 2.57 is exactly half of Intellect's 5.14. To make sure AMR processes that you want Yellow gems in Yellow sockets, put Mastery at 3.00 and Haste after cap at 2.9. The actual number doesn't matter to AMR...it's just a priority on what stats to push towards.

It is possible, yes. At my gear level, it chooses all gems with secondary stats instead of any int gems, simply because I barely have the gear at my ilvl to do it. More important, I think, is the process I use to get the numbers. I simply included those as an example of what goes where and what I meant. He has an even lower ilvl than I do, and Int could well be more important for him as he is. Indeed, for him to meet the 25% cap puts his mastery a full 2k below his haste. Could it possibly be too soon to go for that cap?

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Can those stat weight numbers also be used for affliction?

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Yeah, I don't swap anything out when I switch to Affliction. My mastery and haste are pretty close.

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I'm going to sample Affliction this week with 12.5k base Mastery and 10.5k base Haste. I'm using 543 Wush and 543 Breath and we'll see how it weighs out.

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