Joh141

Onenightshot ´s Guide, Argent Dawn

2 posts in this topic

Onenightshot´s Survival Hunter Guide. For patch 5.4

 

To begin with i would like to say that i did left some talents and glyphs etc out becuase they are useless or are made just for fun so they havent been used by me at all since i started playing my hunter.

If there should be any questions please post it in the comment and i will reply on it and add it in the right section! smile.png

 

Stat priority:

Agility -> Hit/Expertise (7.5%) -> Crit -> Haste -> Mastery. 

 

Agility

Agility will grant you Attack Power and also critical strike rating and that makes it your number one priority. 

 

Hit and expertise cap for a hunter is 7.5% (2550 rating) 

 

Critical Strike

Critical strikes can make a big diffrence even though your spells dont hit as high as a firemage or a warlock. you still benefit the most from critical strike rating low Ilvl or high-end gear. 

 

Haste:

Haste will give you both focus regen and reduce the cast time on your cobra shot which makes it easier to manage your rotation.

It also benefits your serpent stick and black arrow.

 

Mastery:

Your Mastery increases all your magic damage. Serpent Sting, Black Arrow, Explosive Shot. however it does not increase your dmg or reward as much as haste will. 

 

Spell Priorities / Rotation:

Black arrow -> serpent sting-> Explosive shot ->Glaive toss / Barrage -> Arcane Shot -> Cobra Shot.

 

Black arrow:

Black arrow is most important becuase of its proc "lock and load" which gives you 2 free Explosive shots and resets the cooldown aswell. (3 shots but 2 of them are free of focus) 

 

Serpent sting:

Every 3 sec your serpent sting will give you 3 focus back so if you dont keep this up you basicly loose the potential of your focus regen by alot in longer fights. 

 

Explosive shot:

Though some people say the lvl 90 talents come before explosive shot i disagree becuase we have lock and load which can reset our cooldown of it and becuase we can use more explosive shots in a fight. Also throughout my time as a hunter i have never seen glaive toss doing more dmg than explosive shot overall in a fight.

 

Glaive Toss / Barrage (or Powershot if anyone uses that ability):

Why you wanna prio this after explosive is this. lets say you got 1 enemy ahead of you and you would use glaive toss it would hit 1 enemy. though if you have multiple enemies it will hit them all if you line it up good but more about this in talents section.

 

Arcane shot:

Is a good resource for damage, though with 5.4 it will cost you abit more to cast compared to what it used to so if you have the tier 15 4set. i recommend you go with "thrill of the hunt" talent. Also keep in mind to always have focus left for glaivetoss / barrage and explosive shots on cooldowns. 

 

Cobra shot:

Use this ability whenever you need to regain focus or load up focus for a small burst. 

 

 

Summary of Spell Rotation:

Keep Black Arrow up to get more lock and load procs, keep serpent sting up at all time for focus regen. Make sure to use Explosive shot as much as possible. Glaive toss is on a short cooldown, make sure to use it as much as you can. Whenever you dont have any of the above, use cobra shot to regen focus or use Arcane shot if you have enough Focus.

 

 

Talents:

lvl 15:

Posthaste:

Good for some fights where you need a speed buff for a short period of time. Good example here is Ji-Kun in Throne of Thunder and maybe on galakras in Siege of Ogrimmar if you are in the tower group.

 

Crouching Tiger, Hidden Chimera:

Reducing your cooldown by 1 minute and your disengage by 10 seconds.

Useful whenever you dont need a speed buff due to the fact that you have 33% less cooldown on your best defensive CD.

 

Lvl 30:

Intimidation:

Stunning an enemy can always come in handy for adds that need to be stunned or just while doing dailies to interrupt spellcasts.

 

Lvl 45:

Aspect of the Iron Hawn:

Basicly makes you take less damage by 10% which after some time is quite ALOT.

This is the only really good talent for raiding in my opinion.

 

Lvl 60:

All of theese are ok to use. Theese are abit more personal depending on what fight you are on etc.

 

Fervor:

30 seconds Cooldown and it gives you 100 focus back, 50 instantly and the other 50 over 10 seconds. I find this talent useful for when you want to save your burst for a specific time of the fight and just load all your cooldowns at once.

 

Dire Beast:

Since i just recently played with 4-set from tier 15 i used Thrill of the hunt mostly the last couple of weeks/months. But as far as i remember this talent is not bad at all. It does give you focus regen per hit that the Beast does. So i cant give my opinion on this yet but it shouldnt be complete crap.

 

Thrill of the hunt:

If you roll with tier 15 4-set you might wanna have this to get some extra free shots from the proc of arcane shot and Multishot. However if you dont have Tier 15 4set this talent is just as good as "Fervor" depending on your playstyle.

 

Lvl 75:

A murder of Crows:

this is my personal favorite becuase of the fact that if you use it below 20% you get a 1 minute cooldown instead of 2 and the damage it does is actually really impressive. Do keep in mind that this ability costs you 60 focus.

 

Blink strikes:

I used this when i was playing beast mastery for some time when i had to switch targets with the pet all the time mainly for the teleport feature and 50% extra dmg from my pet. Though as a Survival hunter i would not reccomend this talent.

 

Lynx Rush:

Causes your pet to put a dot up on the target depending on how many target it is, i do believe this can be good for a strong burst at the pull of an encounter but the duration of "a murder of Crows" is simply longer and more benfitial when it comes to reliable stable dps.

 

Lvl 90:

Glaive toss:

Best talent for single target fights. (even with ocational AOE)

15 sec cooldown, good uptime, useful as AoE aswell. Mainly the best option becuase it´s instant, cheap and in the end it deals a good amount of damage.

 

Powershot:

I cant recomend this talent at all. Longer cooldown which means you might not have it up for a trinket proc and loose abit of dmg output. Maybe with a good check on the global CD and etc this might be good but i doubt it can be as good as Glaive toss.

 

Barrage:

The best AoE Talent a hunter have, good fights for this is horridon (ToT), Primordius (ToT). Basicly whever you got more than 3-4 adds up most of the times. Not as good in single target BUT performs ok but not as good as Glaive toss for single target.

 

My personal builds:

 

Single Target Build:

15: Crouching Tiger, Hidden Chimera / Posthaste (situational)

30: Intimidation

45: Aspect of the Iron Hawk

60: Fervor

75: A Murder of Crows

90: Glaive toss

 

Multitarget/AOE build:

15: Crouching Tiger, Hidden Chimera / Posthaste (situational)

30: Intimidation

45: Aspect of the Iron Hawk

60: Thrill of the hunt / Fervor (if there is alot of multishots pickthrill of the hunt)

75: A Murder of Crows (deals more damage in single target and none of theese abilities does any good AOE damage.)

90: Barrage

 

GLYPHS:

Major:

Theese are the 5 Glyphs i recomend using for raiding depending on what you need for the fight.

 

Glyph of Deterrence:

Reducing damage taken while Deterrence is up by another 20%.

 

Glyph of Animal Bond:

Increases the healing you and your pet recieves while your pet is active.

 

Glyph of Endured Deceit:

While in Camoflage you take 10% less Spell damage.(depending on fight)

 

Glyph of liberation:

Your Disengage now also heals you for 5%

 

Glyph of Explosive Trap:

Instead of dealing damage your trap will now work as a knockback. (very situational)

Since Black Arrow and Explosive trap no longer share a cooldown this might be benefitial in some fights.

 

Minor:

There is only one good Glyph when it comes to minor Glyphs.

 

Glyph of Stampede:

Now causes your stampede to copy your active pet instead of summoning all 5 pets.

(makes it easier in case you got taunt on another pet)

 

 

Defensive Cooldowns:

Deterrence:

3 Min CD, 2 Min with speccing into Crouching Tiger, Hidden Chimera.

Prevents you from casting any damaging ability but reflects all melee, ranged and magic damage taken for 5 seconds. This ability is proven to be one of the best defences in this game since you can soak almost anything really. It also causes you to take 30% less damage and 50% with it glyphed properly. So even if you should not reflect the ability you can still soak alot of abilities.

 

 

Feign Death:

This is not directly a defensive Cooldown but it will reset all of your aggro and this comes in very handy for both raiding, pvp and Questing.

 

That should be all for now. If you think i missed something please do let me know![/size][/size]

Edited by Joh141

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Good feedback from what I read.

 

But I think you missed the purpose of this website since they already have the information in a guide you can access.

 

But still, thank you for sharing your thoughts on the matter, no doubt someone will get something useful from it.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now


  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Similar Content

    • By cruizerdog
      Hey, so I've recently decided to main a BM hunter for the rest of legion and was just curious if there was some helpful tips out there (I've been reading up on the guides/forum posts but trying to see if I'm doing ok).
       
      this is me. https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/nagrand/greenmidget
       
      sorry, I haven't done this before so I don't have any data to link or know how to use stuff like Warcraft logs or sims. I've also haven't done many runs of tombs yet so don't have any tier pieces.

      looking at the icy veins guides I've talented for dire frenzy but didn't realise how much mastery I ended up with. Have I gone too crazy with mastery, should I be adjusting my stat prio better? Thinking I should probably gem for more haste. Most of my enchants/ gems I'm using are just ones I had the highest rank for and cheapest to make so my necklace is probably enchanted wrong.
       
      i probably specced for mostly single target and think I've been doing fairly poorly for AoE damage compared to other people around my ilvl. Although I know to use multi-shot to refresh beast cleave I probably spam multi-shot more than the 4 secs needed, don't really use dire frenzy effectively, use titan's thunder basically whenever it's off cooldown, don't really know when I'm meant to be using aspect of the wild or whether I should be using beastial wrath in AoE fights. Should I be using murder of crows in AoE fights as well or is it just a waste of focus?
       
      For single target I think I'm doing alright so far (only recently got the legendary boots so not sure how much the kill command cooldown should affect my rotation). Still don't really know when the best time is to be using aspect of the wild but I was basically doing the same as the icy veins guide. My opening sequence is usually something like Murder of crows, beastial wrath, titans thunder, then just kill command, cobra shot, kill command cobra shot etc.
       
      Looking at icy veins guide I think I'm meant to be doing murder of the crows, beastial wrath, dire frenzy, titans thunder, then another dire frenzy straight away, aspect of the wild then normal rotation. After that it's just kill command/cobra shot I guess. While beastiality wrath is in effect should I only be spamming kill command/cobra shot for the quick cooldowns or should I still be using dire frenzy during this time? I use titan thunder when it's off cooldown and dire frenzy whenever it has 2 stacks. I usually just used murder of the crows when it was off cooldown but the guide seems to indicate that I should wait the extra 30 seconds and time it with my next bestial wrath. As for aspect of the wild I usually forget I even have this move and don't use it effectively, do I wait and combined it with bestial wrath? Wait and use it when I'm low on focus? Or use it as soon as it's off cooldown?
       
      Thanks for listening to my rambling and hopefully thanks for your reply.
       
      P.S. It's probably more of a personally choice or situational choice I guess but should I be talenting myself more for AoE for mythics. Example, one with the pack, volley, aspect of the beast?
       
       
       
       
       
    • By Lemmi
       
      MM: "Haha, thank god they changed nothing. Just be quiet, just be quiet!"
      Survival: "We need a buff. I will team up with my other survival homies and... damn it, is there no one else playing survival?"
      BM: "What the f*ck is goin' on?"
       
      What do you think about the patchnotes?
      Will there be a compensation with the new artifact system?
      What did the Porcupines do wrong?
       
      Greetings
      Lemmi
       
      PS: Found an interesting blue post Netherlight Crucible
    • By molodirazz
      All applications will be reviewed and considered however if you are playing a class/spec combination we need then your chances of joining will be higher.
      A little bit of info about us:
      We are a group of friends and serious raiders on EU Twisting Nether looking to recruit skilled like-minded players into our roster for Mythic Legion raids and onwards. We will offer a sociable and fun raiding environment while maintaining a strong desire for progression. Our Discord is very active and we encourage all members to chat and play together not only for raids. The guild formed late March 2016 and fully cleared 13/13 Mythic Hellfire Citadel pre nerf shortly after. We've since been improving our world ranking every tier.
      We currently raid 3 days per week on Mythic: Wednesday, Sunday and Tuesday 19:15-22:15 server time. While it is not a lot we try to make the most out of our time. We run optional heroic/normal/alt/previous tier raids during off days in which raiders are welcome to come to. Our members also play other games outside raid times together where anyone is welcome to join(LoL, Dota, HotS, Overwatch etc.).
      Our loot system for Mythic is RC Loot Council.
      What we expect from you:
      - We are a raiding guild with only a 9 hour per week schedule so you are expected to attend and be ON TIME! However we understand things can come up sometimes but please let us know.
      - Be able to speak and understand the English language and not be afraid to communicate with other members during raids.
      - Actively doing dungeons/world quests to improve your gear and artifact weapon.
      - Have a strong understanding of the current raid tier and be able to play your class to it's potential.
      - Always come to raids prepared(i.e. bringing food and potions, etc).
      - Come fully gemmed and enchanted with the correct stats for your class and spec.
      - Access to Discord and a working microphone.
      - Have a computer that can handle 20 man raiding and a good, stable internet connection.
      - Exorsus Raid Tools, Weakauras2 and RC Loot Council addons installed. We may ask you to install others.

      If you have any further questions please contact us at battletags: Vims#21684 Azkey#21565
      To apply please visit our guild website: http://asylum-tn.enjin.com/recruitment
      __________________________________________________________________________
      Requirements to be considered into current main raids:
      - 920~ ilvl
      - 52+ traits.
      - 3/9 in ToS.
      - Exceptions to the requirements may be made..
      _____________________________________________________________________________
      We're currently looking for the classes below but may consider other classes as well.
      Death Knight: Blood.
      Druid: Guardian and Balance.
      Hunter: MM/BM.
      Monk: Brewmaster.
      Rogue: Open.
      Warlock: Open.
      Any and all applications will be considered.
    • By Skiddz17
      Hey everyone, I thought I would post up my deck. Its nothing crazy new, just a revamped secrets deck for the new expansion and is working fairly well for me. 

      http://www.hearthpwn.com/deckbuilder/hunter#8:2;99:2;163:2;210:1;344:2;363:2;447:1;483:2;553:2;578:2;42021:1;42050:2;42051:2;58724:1;61819:1;61827:2;62837:1;62854:2;
    • By Treylawny
      <Trust> may be what you're looking for if you enjoy killing internet dragons with a group of like minded players! Currently we are 8/9 Heroic, soon to be stepping into Mythic ToS. We are recruiting to finish rounding out our raid team. <Trust> is located on the [US] Doomhammer/Baelgun pve servers, alliance side! Check us out!
       
      About Us:
      <Trust> is a recently formed guild, founded by a group of long time players that have been raiding together for a couple of years now. Founded out of a desire to continue raiding in a casual-progression manner, we work towards defeating mythic bosses. <Trust> is a raiding guild, first and foremost.
       
      Our Raids:
      <Trust> maintains a progression-oriented 2-day semi-casual raiding team. That's 'semi' as in we expect our team members to always prioritize life first; but not 'casual' as in we take downing bosses less seriously. We strive to maintain a balance of taking our progression raids seriously while having plenty of laughs along the way.
       
      Raid Schedule:
      Tuesday & Thursday: 5p – 8p server (8p – 11p eastern)
      Friday(optional): 5p – 8p server (8p – 11p eastern)
       
      Recruitment:
      <Trust> is looking for full time Resto Druid, Mages, Hunters, and Warlocks for our raid team. We are also open for good people to join as casual players, pvpers, with the option to join farm content or alt raids.
       
      More Info:
      Feel free to reach out to us:
      Recruitment Officer:
      In game - Treylawny
      Battletag - Treylawny#1813
       
      Guild Lead:
      In game – Oleic
      Battletag - Jarg#1591
       
      -OR-
       
      Website and Application: <Trust> (US)Doomhammer/Baelgun
      (The app is quick and painless as its used primarily to get your name to us quickly!)
       
      Discord is our way of communicating during raid; also used for casual chatting!