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Hi ya'll - My Mission is to a make EVERYONE comfortable in PvP and have FUN knowing they're playing their class well, and are able to help contribute to the team. This should decrease the amount of griefers, salty dogs, ragers, and quitters in PvP throughout arena / bgs!! It's my goal <3
Pushing towards that I wanted to share a PvP Guide I've put together breaking down talents, honor talents, and how to do the rotation for Elemental Shaman. I hope it helps you guys and gives you an edge in PvP. I'll be putting together some more to help break more pieces of PVP.
Elemental shaman are at the BEST place they've been in for PATCHES!! So it's a great time to push rating and try some different comps out!!
My top 3v3 comps:
1) Boom + Ele + MW/Hpal
2) Destro + Ele + Heals
3) Sub + Ele + HPriest
4) Ele + War + Rdruid
5) Spriest + Ele + Heals
My top 2v2 comps - anything other than these is kind too hard to handle with how often there are melee in 2v2.
1) MW + Ele
2) Rogue + Ele
3) Ele + Rdruid
4) Ele + Hpriest
Let me know what works for you and what doesnt!!
The future guides will include
1) Arena Guide - dealing with positioning, when to do damage, communicating , and key addons that will help you
2) Battleground Guide - what specs work for each map, little tips and tricks per map type, and how to communicate with your teammates well
3) UI - reviewing how different UI setups can REALLY enhance your pvp gameplay
4) Keybinds and Macros - Trying to call out the little changes you can make that can make a big difference, and things you may not be thinking about for Macros/keybinds that could blow your mind.
"For AoE there are two options. The first of these is Loramus Thalipedes' Sacrifice, further increasing the power of Fel Rush for each subsequent target you charge through, though recent changes have diminished how powerful this is. 7.2 has extended this to apply with the first target hit, but are still unremarkable."
This may sound stupid but I was hoping someone could just help me clarify this last sentence of this section. "7.2 has extended this to apply with the first target hit, but are still unremarkable." I'm a bit confused as to what this means. Is this sentence saying that the damage is "unremarkable" in a good way? Or bad way? I've just received the legendary boots and am trying to see if they're a good choice in fights with a lot of adds.
Thank you for your time.
Hi, boys and girls!
I recently played Evo-Shaman again (Brian Kiblers version basically), after having a lot of fun (and frustration) at the beginning of Whispers of the old Gods with an Evo-Deck and trying the Jade version in Mean Streets of Gadgetzan. But all the time I played it, it felt like I had a lot of bad luck with Evolve. Always getting something worse than I had before. So now I tried to prove myself wrong by doing some math (or counting). And I want to share my results with you! Enjoy!
First off the five different classes:
Bomb : possibly gamewinning. Overwhelming stats and/or powerful abilities. The best you can get for this price (e.g. Succubus, Savannah Highmane, Aya Blackpaw, Cairne Bloodhoof)
Better : better stats than before (e.g. 2/3 from evolving a Totem) or a some kind of useful effect (e.g. Deathrattle) (e.g. Kindly Grandmother, Ornery Direhorn, Argent Commander)
Mediocre : underwhelming stats or a downside / probably useless effect. (e.g. Scavenging Hyena, Frozen Crusher, Cabal Shadow Priest)
Bad : worse than before. Terrible stats compared to other cards of the same cost (e.g. Grimestreet Outfitter, Nerubian Prophet)
Awful : cards that can make you loose the game, are entirely useless in most situations or have extremly bad stats (e.g. Doomsayer, Ancient Watcher, Big-Time Racketeer)
And some important things to considerate:
cards are evaluated like if you are ahead or equal to your opponent (e.g. Abomination is Aweful)
cards with useful effects are evaluated compared to an every day situation with a somewhat aggressive Evolution-Shaman-Deck. Likewise minions like The Voraxx are Bad, because you will not be able to use there ability.
Minions with one Health are most of the time Bad
Minions are compared to other minions you can get. Likewise nearly any 6-drop is better than the 2/2 from Doppelgangster but getting a Fight Promoter is still bad.
Minions are partly evaluated like you would evolve them at the end of your turn and/or after you played them (so with not much mana left), as you most of the time would do. Likewise minions with triggered abilities like Gadgetzan Auctioneer are most of the time Bad.
Of course Battlecries doesn't matter at all.
Jades can get pretty much any manacost, so they fit everywhere.
Aya Blackpaw is evaluated like if you get her while playing other Jade-cards in your deck (as you normally do in Evo-Shaman) otherwise she is mediocre.
Finally some cards are very debatable and fit more in between classes, so you might come up with different results sometimes (e.g. Nat Pagle)
Costs of the minion you want to evolve (examples in common Evo-Shaman-Decks) →
Class (e.g. Better) Number of cards ( I = one card, IIIII = 5 cards) (Best / Worse cards you can get) [chance of getting something aweful in %] - total number
1-Mana (HP-Totems, Murloc-Tokens, Fire Fly, Patches the Pirate, Bloodsail Corsair) →
Bomb IIIII II (e.g. Millhouse Manastorm, Cornered Sentry) - 7
Better IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII - 45
Mediocre IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII I - 21
Bad IIIII IIIII I - 11
Awful III (e.g. Doomsayer) [3,45%] - 3
Charge: 1 (1,2% chance)
Taunt: 7 (8,1% chance)
2-Mana (Flametongue Totem, Primalfin Totem) (3/3 vanilla is mediocre) →
Bomb IIIII III (e.g. Injured Blademaster, Shaku, the Collector) - 8
Better IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII - 30
Mediocre IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII I - 31
Bad IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII II - 32
Awful III (e.g. Unlicensed Apothecary) [2,88%] - 3
Charge: 1 (0,96% chance)
Taunt: 10 (9,6% chance)
3-Mana (Mana Tide Totem, Stonehill Defender) (4/4 vanilla is mediocre)→
Bomb IIII (e.g.Flamewreathed Faceless, Twilight Summoner) - 4
Better IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII II - 27
Mediocre IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII I - 26
Bad IIIII IIII IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII I - 31
Awful I (Faceless Shambler) [1,11%] - 1
Charge: 2 (2,2% chance)
Taunt: 10 (11,2% chance)
4-Mana (Jinyu Waterspeaker) (5/5 or 5/4 or 4/5 vanilla is mediocre)→
Bomb IIIII I (e.g. Earth Elemental, Grimestreet Enforcer) - 6
Better IIIII IIIII IIIII III - 18
Mediocre IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII III - 23
Bad IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII - 20
Awful IIIII (e.g. Abomination, Bomb Squad) [6,94%] - 5
Charge: 2 (2,8% chance) (Doomguard and Leeroy Jenkins)
Taunt: 11 (15,3% chance)
5-Mana (Doppelgangster) (5/5 vanilla is mediocre)→
Bomb IIIII (e.g. Kabal Trafficker) - 5
Better IIIII IIIII IIIII II - 17
Mediocre IIIII IIIII IIIII IIII - 19
Bad IIIII IIIII - 10
Awful III (e.g. Big-Time Racketeer) [5,55%] - 3
Charge: 2 (3,7% chance)
Taunt: 9 + Hogger (16,7% chance)
6-Mana (Thing from Below) (6/6 vanilla is mediocre)→
Bomb I (Swamp King Dred) - 1
Better IIIII IIIII II - 12
Mediocre IIIII I - 6
Bad IIIII IIIII I -11
Awful I (Baron Geddon) [3,22%] - 1
Charge: 0 (0% chance)
Taunt: 4 (12,9% chance)
It seems that you can get a lot of good stuff (mainly 2/3s and 3/2s) from evolving 1-Mana-minions like your totems and Primalfin-Murlocs. The danger of getting Doomsayer seems pretty low (1,3%).
Evolving 2-Mana-Minions seems pretty good too. You get a decent chance of getting real big bombs and high-value-cards, but there is also some pretty bad stuff. Also you have to evolve your valuable totems (these are your 2-Mana-Minions most of the time).
Evolving 3-, 4-, 5- and 6-Mana-minions are pretty much 50/50. They got a lot of awesome stuff, but also some pretty bad results.
Especially the 5-Mana Evolve is important, since you will often get three 6-drops from one 5-drop (Doppelgangster), so getting a bunch of 4/5s is still awesome.
Jades will probably turn into something similar or worse most of the time.
I put together a quick video walking through my UI setup for Elemental Shaman going into 7.2.5. I mostly PvP, but also do some PvE. Specifically the weakaura setup is really REALLY impressive - and it was made by a cool guy named Notes. I'll include the list of addons here too !!:
List of addons reviewed during the view:
5. Shadowed Unit Frames
6. Tidy Plates
7. WeakAuras 2
-Elemental skills: https://wago.io/EyLr69RUZ
-Maelstrom bar: https://wago.io/4J2uirvZM
Let me know what you think!!!! Love you,
Hey so as the title suggests I'm looking for a bit of information on the state of the specs for tomb as I have been asked to reroll to fill in some of the empty ranged spaces we have now found ourselves with in our mythic team and I'm curious as to which is going to be the overall "stronger" spec I know that is completely subjective
but a general guide line as I am presently working on my frost weapon but I feel as though I should be working mainly on my arcane one due to changes that are coming but both of the specs are being "buffed" and fire seems to be trailing behind still
I was just hoping someone with more experience as mage could run me through this so I can better decide for myself what I am going to do :)