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Fire Mage, CRAP all of a sudden???

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i've been in a SoO grp today and what the hell. they asked me how come

pyroblast is my number1 damage dealer cast.. i was like 'wtf???'

 

my gearscore is 553 and i have both t16 bonis..

 

now i am really confused. is it true that i play my mage wrong allthough i only

cast pyroblast when it proccs and is 200k dps @ sha of pride too low for my gs??

 

some help would be nice .. and i dont want to play f rost or arcane.

pisses me off to change skills all the time .. :(

 

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/blackrock/K%C3%BAr%C3%A2%C3%AEg%C3%B9/advanced

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Someone is an idiot and doesn't know how mages work..  Pyroblast is suppose to be your top damage spell.  Go look at any logs of high parsing mages..

 

My logs with my guild:

Nazgrim25H

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-4hk16dgz98f8tskd/details/18/?s=4519&e=4993

 

Malkorok 25N

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-4hk16dgz98f8tskd/details/18/?s=9039&e=9228

 

you can keep look through the rest too.. + there's another mage in my guild that plays fire and has about the same stuff

 

Its possible they remember stuff from cataclysm when in logs the procs and the hard casts use to be seperate (Pyroblast vs Pyroblast!).  But thats not the case any more.

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well recount was tellling that pyroblast was my top cast, not pyroblast! ..

which is confusing me aswell.

 

another player told me, a mage with ilvl 553 should play arcane until ilvl 570, then fire mage again.

 

what do you think, should i stick to fire mage (i actually love that skill) or shoulld i temporarily use arcane?

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I'm not a mage expert, so dont take my word for it, maybe someone else can back me up, but you have more than enough crit to do just fine in fire. 

 

Pyroblast! would be the direct damage portion if it shows in recount while Pyroblast may just be the DoT ticks.  IMO fire is a much better spec than arcane and people have been saying "OH YOU NEED {X} GEAR LEVEL BEFORE FIRE IS VIABLE" since the first tier. (when in reality they are just saying that because they are shit at fire, or don't enjoy fire, and want an excuse to not play it) The rule of thumb from the little I know of fire is the more crit you have the better (until about 50%~ or so) then you want a ton of haste (maybe 13k more more) then some mastery. 

 

Stick with Fire.  IMO its the most fun spec even at lower gear levels and you defiantly have more than enough gear and crit to make it work.  If anything you're going to want more haste at this point without sacrificing crit.

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Also, i think a big thing I've seen is mages dropping any hit piece they have for more crit/haste and getting their hit from Expertise/crit gems instead of int/crit.

 

I've also been told that the fire stat weights on Mr. robot are decent enough to use if you care to compare the stat gain it gives you compared to the intellect loss.

 

http://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/gear/ba96fe84-94d7-4469-bd53-ed20ea1e027d

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thanks for your help :)

 

now i feel better.

i should use hit/exp gems and drop items with hit stats? or you trying to say that that is the wrong way to do?

 

i have 18% haste. trying to push it. 45% crit shud be enough??

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But yes, if you gem expertise/crit instead of int crit you can drop your hit pieces for more crit/haste

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i've been in a SoO grp today and what the hell. they asked me how come

pyroblast is my number1 damage dealer cast.. i was like 'wtf???'

 

my gearscore is 553 and i have both t16 bonis..

 

now i am really confused. is it true that i play my mage wrong allthough i only

cast pyroblast when it proccs and is 200k dps @ sha of pride too low for my gs??

 

some help would be nice .. and i dont want to play f rost or arcane.

pisses me off to change skills all the time .. sad.png

 

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/blackrock/K%C3%BAr%C3%A2%C3%AEg%C3%B9/advanced

 

I have to repeat what Krazytio said. Someone is a complete idiot and has no idea how mages work. Please, send this person to me and make him explain what he thinks how fire mages work... I'm pretty sure they always look things up at noxxic.. xD Which is btw I just checked completely out of date.

 

The reason why Pyroblast became your no1 damage source is due to the 5.4 nerf of Combustion and your new gear. Your crit rating with SOO crit items can go ridiculously high that resulted in insane Combustions on PTR. Blizz chose to reduce Combustion's damage instead of reducing our pyromanac crit multiplier.(which the used to do in the past)

 

The 200k DPS is okay, average. Could be higher tho. If you could post a combatlog about that fight I'd gladly have a look at it and look for improvements.

 

Nowadays, there is no difference between the spellname of hardcast and instant pyroblast. Pyroblast! is the name of the buff you get for instant cast. Pyroblast is the name of the damaging ability. The dot and the direct hit are calculated under the same name.

 

The another player who talked about arcane and stuff was partly right. Arcane will shine bright on Sha of pride-like fights with no movement and will most likely beat fire on those. However.. Please, put an arcane mage into Immerseus heroic and tell him to do more dps, than a fire mage with constant movement.... Both specs have their strength and weaknesses. but no one can expect anyone in non-high-end raiding guild to switch specs, gear from encounter to encounter. I hate wannabes... Jsut stick to the spec that you enjoy playing and concentrate on maximizing your playstyle with that.

 

Note that with gemming, it is not always the most optimal to drop every item with hit and just gem stuff. However AMR is a good place to look for optimization. :)

 

Also, please read our Fire mage class guide through again and see if you were missing something important. :)

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