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9 hours ago, Marick said:

I liked Warcraft as a movie on its own (if it wasnt supposed to be linked to Warcraft RTs nor WoW).They put too much things in a small timeframe and alot of the events in the movie were completly unnecesary( Lothar's son that didnt serve for anything) it also changed alot of the lore so they could show off the CGi (Dalaran flying,thousands of Draenei being killed for the Dark Portal to open etc.).Dont know why Medivh was made so weak that he had to use that mana pool or whatever it was most of the time,Guldan being so obviously having power over Blackhand,changins Garona to be half human and half orc.It really should have been tailored more for a person that played Wow or Warcraft RTS because im sure it would earn way more money and get more positive rewiews.

Never said that Garona was half human, there's no way she can be that. She is half draenei and half orc, they never say taht, but eather said any other thing beside that she is "half orc"

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3 hours ago, jinsu2301 said:

No, it wasn't.

That being said, I would lie if I said I didn't enjoy it.

Okay, and again, like I said before, it wasn't a great WARCRAFT movie, the lore was wrong, I already acknowledged that.  Check, roger, got it.

But as a movie it was good.  Action sequences were solid, acting was solid, no major weird inconsistencies like the orcs actually had to use garona to communicate with the humans, the role/feel of Gul'Dan was morbid an perfectly fit his character... and the CGI / live action mesh was stellar.  

Literally everyone I know who has seen the movie liked it.  The only complains were "but the lore says..."  and yea obviously I get that.

But as a MOVIE, it was good.

I say the same about the Rogue One movie - even if it was nothing star wars related at all, it makes a GREAT war movie.  I think you could dislike starwars entirely and probably still like that movie, if you otherwise like war movies, that is.  

Your comments about the dwarves being CG are pretty laughable, as Garona was supposed to look pretty human as it is, an the dwarves in wow are pretty non-human looking.  Could they have used midgets or camera trickery ?  Yes.  

...but honestly thats a pretty sad 'negative critique.'  

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2 hours ago, Demenzel said:

Never said that Garona was half human, there's no way she can be that. She is half draenei and half orc, they never say taht, but eather said any other thing beside that she is "half orc"

In the movie its said that her mother is an orc and its hinted(Novel confirms that) that Medivh is her father so that makes her half orc and half human in the movie lore.

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41 minutes ago, Marick said:

In the movie its said that her mother is an orc and its hinted(Novel confirms that) that Medivh is her father so that makes her half orc and half human in the movie lore.

But isn't Garona and Medivh lovers in the lore? They even had a son, Medan. Incest much?

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4 hours ago, PatrickHenry said:

Okay, and again, like I said before, it wasn't a great WARCRAFT movie, the lore was wrong, I already acknowledged that.  Check, roger, got it.

But as a movie it was good. 

And that's where we disagree. I thought it was alright from the viewpoint of a fan, but I know the story, I know the characters, and I know how to appreciate it all. But from a more objective standpoint, it was not a good movie. And not because of the dwarfs, that was just an example for the inconsistency of the visual style. The story is too crammed, too unfocused, with very weak main characters, no sense of place and time, and ultimately zero impact.

Of course, if you don't care about writing, than I guess it was an okay movie. Funny you bring up Rogue One, which too had massive problems in its writing IMO and was only enjoyable because of all the spectacle.

3 hours ago, Valhalen said:

But isn't Garona and Medivh lovers in the lore? They even had a son, Medan. Incest much?

Yes, in the game lore, not in the movie. Also I think Med'an has been officially retconned out of the lore.

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13 minutes ago, jinsu2301 said:

Yes, in the game lore, not in the movie. Also I think Med'an has been officially retconned out of the lore.

But if the novel confirmed she is his daughter, doesn't that make it part of the game lore as well?

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38 minutes ago, Valhalen said:

But if the novel confirmed she is his daughter, doesn't that make it part of the game lore as well?

Novel that did it was the novel that was set in the same universe as the movie(kind of prequel and explanation for some stuff)Movie and the Game are set in different universes.In the game lore Garona is still Medivh's lover and in movie she is his daughter.

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16 hours ago, jinsu2301 said:

Funny you bring up Rogue One, which too had massive problems in its writing IMO and was only enjoyable because of all the spectacle.

funny 87% of people on RT liked it also...  but what do we know.

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On 7/16/2018 at 7:33 PM, Valhalen said:

What we really need is Blizzard creating their own cinematic division and making a 2 hour WoW cinematic, with motion capture, 3D modeled characters and their original voice actors. Now THAT will be a Warcraft movie we all want and deserve.

We all saw how well made the Orcs were in the movie. They were pretty much the highlight of it (and I'm not even a Horde fan). So what if every single character was CGI? Wouldn't that be much better? It's a rhetorical question, by the way.

yep, true . i know it wont happen. but this would be really a great movie then.

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18 hours ago, rush said:

yep, true . i know it wont happen. but this would be really a great movie then.

Yeah, it's not a market Blizzard has interest into; or a market game industries in general show interest. Otherwise we'd see stuff like Uncharted: The Movie.

However, we have the example of the Ratchet & Clank movie, which is very faithful to the source material, specially considering it was made by Rainmaker Studios (the same guys behind ReBoot, Beast Wars: Transformers, Max Steel) and overseen by PlayStation itself. Sure, it wasn't a great movie, but it was pretty well made and kept the character designs intact; so it felt like watching a 1h30 cutscene from the game.

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On 7/19/2018 at 2:40 PM, Valhalen said:

Yeah, it's not a market Blizzard has interest into; or a market game industries in general show interest. Otherwise we'd see stuff like Uncharted: The Movie.

However, we have the example of the Ratchet & Clank movie, which is very faithful to the source material, specially considering it was made by Rainmaker Studios (the same guys behind ReBoot, Beast Wars: Transformers, Max Steel) and overseen by PlayStation itself. Sure, it wasn't a great movie, but it was pretty well made and kept the character designs intact; so it felt like watching a 1h30 cutscene from the game.

uncharted the movie comes ;)) but i think its gonna be like tombraider ;/

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The biggest issue with the movie by far was the pacing. The film jumps around too quickly, too often for you to really settle in and engage with the world and it's characters.

Lord of The Rings for example.. they dedicate the first 8 minutes of the film just to it's introduction of the world. The next 15 minutes is dedicated to getting you familiar with the Hobbits and their culture. It's not until around 25 minutes in do they begin to really move the story forward.

In Warcraft, they cram all of the world and character introduction into the first 3 minutes before rushing the story along. Next thing you know they're in Ironforge..

1 minute later they're in Stormwind..
1 minute later they're in the Tavern..
1 minute later they're with the Orcs..
1 minute later they're in Kharazan..

Then they're in Stormwind again.. then Elwyn again..

They bounce between like 10 different locations before hitting the 25 minute mark, where as in Lord of The Rings you're still in the shire learning about the main characters.

If anything ruined this movie, it was the pacing, because it's not a bad movie.. The world, characters, acting were all there.. The whole thing just felt rushed, leaving people who don't know anything about Warcraft not really understanding or caring about who anyone is or why they're doing what they're doing.

I would even say the most disconnected part of the film by far was Lothar's son. They drag him in for like 1 scene, with 1 line of dialog before they're basically killing him off in a scene that I guess was supposed to mean something to the audience?

Most if not all of the issues with the film could have been fixed if it was a 3 hour movie. That, and possibly a more meaningful ending that focused on the conflict between the orcs and the humans. I don't think anyone really gave 2 shits about the Medivh ending, who's a fairly bland and boring character to begin with. They should have focused more on the Orc and Human drama.

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On 7/16/2018 at 12:01 PM, Badadada said:

It's funny to bring up lore inconsistency - but I think there isn't a single soul out there who loves Blizzard games (and mainly the Warcraft universe) due to it's great lore rather than the gameplay experience. It has terrible lore - nothing comparable to the Warhammer, Lord of the Rings, Witcher or other fantasy worlds out there. We all loved Metzen as a game director, but I think the fanbase also acknowledges that he was an unskilled story writer. Now we have the likes of Christie Golden to fix his mishaps, but it will take some time to gather some blockbuster-quality screenplay material out of Warcraft.
Untill then the best Warcraft videogame movie I can think would be one including Dwayne Johnson and tons of stunts to divert our attention from those little incosistencies. Hey - thats a Hollywood technique proven to be working! The Rock could play like Varian or even Thrall - story doesn't matters as long there's action on the screen and he saves the world in the end.

I respectfully disagree with you. The reason I even picked up WoW was because I enjoyed the lore...or well Warcraft 3's since that is basically the foundation for WoW. I also feel you are selling Metzen a tad short, while yes his writing was the "greatest thing ever" like I thought it was when I was twelve, it was in my humble opinion ranged from pretty good to at worst decent. I will note however the one thing I will continue to give Metzen crap for any time he is mentioned and that was Thrall post Cataclysm. I also won't lie after the terrible story with Legion (Surmar excluded because that was actually good with the exception of a missed opportunity that lead to a "that's it?" ending.) and what appears to be hot garbage coming with BFA I have seriously considered quit playing the game. Silly and maybe a tad childish I know, but I guess I'm just too close to this universe to see handed over to someone whom I find...less desirable.

On topic about the movie, what I have suggested since day one that the movie was announce, was to have Blizzard's animation team make it since there isn't a single time I would say they did a poor job. Every time I see an new cinematic for an expansion I lament at how good a movie made by them would be made yet will probably never happen. This would have also made it easier for them to be more consistence with the lore.

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On 7/17/2018 at 6:21 PM, PatrickHenry said:

But as a MOVIE, it was good.
 

Nope.

It was with a lot of good will mediocre. Like a 5 out of a 10.

If you want to go more harshly on it you can easily go down to something like 4 or even 3, making it not even mediocre anymore.

 

Yes, you could have fun with the movie - e.g. if you are drinking with friends and laughing about all the stupids scenes in it, the laughable decisions characters do in it and how incredible cheap parts of the movie look like.

 

And since I never played WoW (only WC3) I am not really that interested in lore.

I didn't expect much of the movie (Blizzard lost it's ability to tell a good story, to have interesting characters long ago) and I did not get much.

Because, like I said, the movie itself just isn't good. That is if you are a little older then maybe 10 and have the slightest expectations of credibility, plausibility, character, story...

And before you ask: Yes, approx. 90% of all Hollywood movies don't fulfil those criterias.
Doesn't make it any better, just results in most of the new Blockbuster being between garbage and mediocre.

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On 7/21/2018 at 1:37 PM, WedgeAntilles said:

And before you ask: Yes, approx. 90% of all Hollywood movies don't fulfil those criterias.

So you give the rest of the movies hollywood produces the same grade - good to know.

 

 

On 7/21/2018 at 1:37 PM, WedgeAntilles said:

plausibility,

LOL - action fantasy movie; good criteria for whether or not its 'good' or not.

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