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Updated: 370 Item Level Emissary Azerite Live

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Update: A couple of tweets from the devs clarify exactly how the scaling of the rewards works related to your equipped/bagged item levels.

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The previously mentioned increased item level hotfix for Azerite armor emissary rewards has gone live today for both factions:

Here's the original blue post as a reminder and you can check out all the announced improvements and clarifications for them here:

Blizzard LogoAzerite Armor in Emissary Rewards (source)

We need to make Azerite Armor more available, for all types of players, through a method everyone can utilize. So we’re actually looking at Emissary rewards for that. The plan is to make Azerite Armor rewards from Emissary quests scale all the way up to 370 (based on your item level), which gives everyone a new, reliable source for appropriate gear. Further on, we’re looking at making some further improvements to the ways Emissaries reward gear, but getting more Azerite Armor in your hands is the higher priority for the immediate future.
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Warfronts : free 370

Arathi world boss  : free 370

WQ : free 370

At this rate you can just make the raid lfr and mythic only since apparently the other 2 difficulties are for show only and can get their IL from casual play

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20 minutes ago, Kurosu said:

Warfronts : free 370

Arathi world boss  : free 370

WQ : free 370

At this rate you can just make the raid lfr and mythic only since apparently the other 2 difficulties are for show only and can get their IL from casual play

Warfront - yep, once a month, you get a free random 370 piece of gear.  Likely not an Azerite piece

Arathi WB - Small chance to drop 370+ loot.  I had 5 toons kill this last cycle on got 2 pieces with rerolling on all 5.  And again, a once a month chance.

WQ.  Azerite piece that can SCALE up to 370.  Meaning you need to grind up a higher base iLevel, probably around 351, since you need 321 for it to scale to 340.  You aren't getting 351 in "just" casual play.  Likely it will be 355 when you are doing Normal raid, and 370 once you are attempting Heroic raid.

Raiding is also only one source for gear.  Mythic+ is the more popular end game content and doesn't drop Azerite pieces, except for a chance in the weekly.  Again small chance.  I haven't seen an Azerite piece yet on any of the 5 max level toons from the weekly cache.  And most likely none of my alts will be raiding much, the pain of most pugs isn't worth it.  So yes, another source for higher iLevel "Azerite Armor" after grinding up other pieces from M+ is welcome.

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5 minutes ago, Gilby79 said:

Warfront - yep, once a month, you get a free random 370 piece of gear.  Likely not an Azerite piece

Arathi WB - Small chance to drop 370+ loot.  I had 5 toons kill this last cycle on got 2 pieces with rerolling on all 5.  And again, a once a month chance.

WQ.  Azerite piece that can SCALE up to 370.  Meaning you need to grind up a higher base iLevel, probably around 351, since you need 321 for it to scale to 340.  You aren't getting 351 in "just" casual play.  Likely it will be 355 when you are doing Normal raid, and 370 once you are attempting Heroic raid.

Raiding is also only one source for gear.  Mythic+ is the more popular end game content and doesn't drop Azerite pieces, except for a chance in the weekly.  Again small chance.  I haven't seen an Azerite piece yet on any of the 5 max level toons from the weekly cache.  And most likely none of my alts will be raiding much, the pain of most pugs isn't worth it.  So yes, another source for higher iLevel "Azerite Armor" after grinding up other pieces from M+ is welcome.

So just checked, My main is 360 iLevel and the current available Emissary cache scales up to 355.  So is far from free and easy 370 gear.

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9 minutes ago, Gilby79 said:

Warfront - yep, once a month, you get a free random 370 piece of gear.  Likely not an Azerite piece

Arathi WB - Small chance to drop 370+ loot.  I had 5 toons kill this last cycle on got 2 pieces with rerolling on all 5.  And again, a once a month chance.

WQ.  Azerite piece that can SCALE up to 370.  Meaning you need to grind up a higher base iLevel, probably around 351, since you need 321 for it to scale to 340.  You aren't getting 351 in "just" casual play.  Likely it will be 355 when you are doing Normal raid, and 370 once you are attempting Heroic raid.

Raiding is also only one source for gear.  Mythic+ is the more popular end game content and doesn't drop Azerite pieces, except for a chance in the weekly.  Again small chance.  I haven't seen an Azerite piece yet on any of the 5 max level toons from the weekly cache.  And most likely none of my alts will be raiding much, the pain of most pugs isn't worth it.  So yes, another source for higher iLevel "Azerite Armor" after grinding up other pieces from M+ is welcome.

You dont want warfront 370.You want Uldir traits.

Arathi its not once per month but 2 chances every 25 days.And if they even get warfrorged they are almost mythic IL.

And as far as scaling goes, with all the free 340 and 370 ALREADY in existence. its not hard at all to scale the cache either

Looks like people want mythic purples for free in order to be happy.

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19 minutes ago, Kurosu said:

You dont want warfront 370.You want Uldir traits.

Arathi its not once per month but 2 chances every 25 days.And if they even get warfrorged they are almost mythic IL.

And as far as scaling goes, with all the free 340 and 370 ALREADY in existence. its not hard at all to scale the cache either

Looks like people want mythic purples for free in order to be happy.

no, what people want is a working system where they are rewarded properly for the time and skill invested. wq azerite is useless, its either pvp or the gonk outrunner garbage. arathi world boss azerite is useless, its pvp gear. normal world boss gear is useless, its 355 and again, the traits are garbage. 

 

people want to be able to say "hey, i need shoulders so im going to spam "x dungeon" this week and try to fill that slot" and that is an entirely acceptable way to think and not at all unreasonable. i dont agree with free loot for whiny millennials, but this "fix" is nothing more than artificial ilvl boosting with two major problems: you ilvl goes up, but you still have to use lower ilvl gear b/c of traits, and 2) the skill cap has been lowered once again so every form of group content in this game is toxic. you cant even separate yourself from bad players by doing the hardest content because now everyone has the gear to do that content, but not the skill. this entire game has been turned into a toxic nightmare over the past two expansions, and bfa really hit it home. 

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44 minutes ago, Demonpuke said:

no, what people want is a working system where they are rewarded properly for the time and skill invested.

 

Arathi and world quest require minimal time (hell you can even afk in warfront and nobody cares anymore) and literally no skill.And they give IL of mythic dungeons and heroic raids.Yeah that makes total sense.I think you deserver mythic raid gear mate.In fact I will support you if you ask bliz to give you siege of zuldazar items because you are special and deserve it.

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It's not even a half-solution. Only helps to increase ilvl for casual players and if you still need dungeon traits your are f... Most of the WQ traits are useless and even if someone need a trait from there just one more RNG (again). This whole problem is around traits and not ilvl, so I don't understand Blizz how can be so stupid to think an ilvl increase like this will fix anything.

At least where I play in M+ there score>ilvl so easy to filter incompetent players, but this make it harder in overall groups like pugs and etc, if casual players can be 370.. it's just ridiculous. The gear should show the skill rating of the player in raiding and in dungeons too. So bad to see in past yeasr the game became so casual-friendly that's already have bad influence on the game if you are not a casual.

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40 minutes ago, Kurosu said:

Arathi and world quest require minimal time (hell you can even afk in warfront and nobody cares anymore) and literally no skill.And they give IL of mythic dungeons and heroic raids.Yeah that makes total sense.I think you deserver mythic raid gear mate.In fact I will support you if you ask bliz to give you siege of zuldazar items because you are special and deserve it.

that is literally what i said, you must be one of those morons i was talking about seeing as how you cant even read and understand clearly written english. 

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2 hours ago, Gilby79 said:

You aren't getting 351 in "just" casual play.  Likely it will be 355 when you are doing Normal raid, and 370 once you are attempting Heroic raid.


That's not true.   Unless you're just very unlucky.  And emissary and WQ rewards are related to your Heart of Azeroth ilvl, not your overall ilvl (edit: Blizz's info says I'm wrong here about emissary rewards, my bad).  Or at least that's how WQs work.  I know because they've spontaneously changed to increased ilvl the moment I jumped to the next level of faction with Champions of Azeroth, without needing to wait for them to be completed or expire.

I have a DH that's 352 composite ilvl with a Heart of Azeroth at 367 and I'm about 2/3 through Revered and working on Exalted for the next big bump.  I've not done a single Mythic.  All gear is from WQ, Emissary, Warfront, World Boss and Arathi named Rare.  I play as a way to pass time and stay occupied and decompress and don't have a whole lot of patience for dealing with my rewards being dependent on groups of other people knowing what they're doing so I favor solo play or what can be accomplished ad hoc like the world bosses, etc. so far.  It's still what I'd consider casual play.  One of the AZ pieces is already 370 a few weeks now and I have two of the highest DPS traits for the Havoc class.

I have a hunter that's 344, is one piece shy of being full epic (still have a blue 320 trinket) and I wasn't quite as lucky on the rolls up to warforge, titanforge, etc. so there are more 340 pieces on it with fewer 370 and 350+ pieces so far but my neck is at 350 and will, after tonight's round of Champions WQs be at least 365.

It might happen slower than if I'd been grinding out Mythics but I'm actually within a few ilvl of guildies that seem to do Mythics all the time and have started working up to +2 or +5 but I'm not that worried about it because I routinely outperform them, if not outright demolish them in groups because they don't sim, don't know what stats are important or what traits are important or best on any individual piece or in concert with their spec and other pieces.  

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3 minutes ago, Demonpuke said:

that is literally what i said, you must be one of those morons i was talking about seeing as how you cant even read and understand clearly written english. 

No,what you said was that you want the better traits because you dont like the WQ ones.But you dont want to go in raid and get em,oh no.You want em as WQ rewards.And its ironic that you cry about the toxicity of the game when you yourself call someone else a moron because he doesnt agree to the way you want the game to be.

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5 minutes ago, Kurosu said:

No,what you said was that you want the better traits because you dont like the WQ ones.But you dont want to go in raid and get em,oh no.You want em as WQ rewards.And its ironic that you cry about the toxicity of the game when you yourself call someone else a moron because he doesnt agree to the way you want the game to be.

thats not even close to what i said. not even remotely. i called you a moron because you are having such a hard time understanding written words. you havent disagreed with anything that i actually said, you are literally trying to put words in my mouth just to start an argument. from what you are saying it is clear you read the first few words of my comment, got all antsy and immediately set into posting your toxic comment instead of taking a minute to read my entire post, analyze it, and then move on. obviously you are too stupid for that. stop talking kurosu, you're too stupid to talk.

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1 hour ago, Hypersonic said:

The gear should show the skill rating of the player in raiding and in dungeons too. So bad to see in past yeasr the game became so casual-friendly that's already have bad influence on the game if you are not a casual.

Gear has literally never been an indicator of skill in this game, and it was even easier for unskilled players to be carried for gear when there were 40mans.  The effort required to grind out HWL/GM in early PvP didn't even guarantee that player knew how to actually PvP, else there wouldn't be so many Vanilla PvP videos with HWL/GM/BWL/AQ geared players getting killed by better skilled players in dungeon sets and MC gear.  They couldn't even depend on the baseline differential in power to defeat certain classes if played better.

Similarly, ilvl has never been an absolute indicator of a better piece of gear or equivalent to the point of being interchangeable with another piece of gear of the same quality.  Ever.

edit: not only that, the fact that lower ilvl AZ pieces with preferred traits will outperform higher ilvl pieces with unfortunate traits is a direct parallel to needing to sometimes still wear lower tier pieces in one or even two raid tier's progression content to retain certain set bonuses that offered synergy with specific specs and stats (and the occasional ridiculous synergy of a much lower tier item being BIS until the class itself gets altered...see T7 HAT-spec Sub rogue required to DW blue dungeon daggers in direct and ironic opposition to all conventional rogue mechanics in the game up to that point, with 25man KT daggers languishing in their bags or bank).  It happens, pretty much always has, because Blizz doesn't really know how classes interact with gear and stats and exists in a constant state of reaction to data coming back from players in game, on live, and then deciding if they like or don't like how things are working.

 

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4 minutes ago, Demonpuke said:

thats not even close to what i said. not even remotely. i called you a moron because you are having such a hard time understanding written words. you havent disagreed with anything that i actually said, you are literally trying to put words in my mouth just to start an argument. from what you are saying it is clear you read the first few words of my comment, got all antsy and immediately set into posting your toxic comment instead of taking a minute to read my entire post, analyze it, and then move on. obviously you are too stupid for that. stop talking kurosu, you're too stupid to talk.

Cries that community is toxic--->calls people moron and stupid because they dont agree with his views.

I sincerely hope you are not like that in your real life as well.Goobye, enjoy insulting people online.

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5 hours ago, Kurosu said:

Warfronts : free 370

Arathi world boss  : free 370

WQ : free 370

At this rate you can just make the raid lfr and mythic only since apparently the other 2 difficulties are for show only and can get their IL from casual play

People with your mentality are the main problem WoW has always had. 

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4 hours ago, Demonpuke said:

no, what people want is a working system where they are rewarded properly for the time and skill invested. wq azerite is useless, its either pvp or the gonk outrunner garbage. arathi world boss azerite is useless, its pvp gear. normal world boss gear is useless, its 355 and again, the traits are garbage. 

 

people want to be able to say "hey, i need shoulders so im going to spam "x dungeon" this week and try to fill that slot" and that is an entirely acceptable way to think and not at all unreasonable. i dont agree with free loot for whiny millennials, but this "fix" is nothing more than artificial ilvl boosting with two major problems: you ilvl goes up, but you still have to use lower ilvl gear b/c of traits, and 2) the skill cap has been lowered once again so every form of group content in this game is toxic. you cant even separate yourself from bad players by doing the hardest content because now everyone has the gear to do that content, but not the skill. this entire game has been turned into a toxic nightmare over the past two expansions, and bfa really hit it home. 

Funny that you should say this and have the most toxic posts (plural) here by far. Maybe others aren't the problem? People like you are the reason people like me don't raid. And I'm no millennial, I promise you that.

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So i havent seen any 370s. They are not as easy to come by, after all. I have had 363 yesterday and the AZ piece was still 355. So i thought my theory that you will need 365 for it to scale up to 370 was true. But then a friend of mine has had 355s as well, with 367gear! ... So i guess, you have to have 370 already to get them? :'/

Would be a real shame, because everything else in emmisary rewards scales up earlier, like 5 or even 10 ILs over over your average. Weird that those are now an exception. Or 355s are available, but 370s a bit later? i am clueless

Has anyone got a 370 piece?

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6 hours ago, Sholto said:

Gear has literally never been an indicator of skill in this game, and it was even easier for unskilled players to be carried for gear when there were 40mans.  The effort required to grind out HWL/GM in early PvP didn't even guarantee that player knew how to actually PvP, else there wouldn't be so many Vanilla PvP videos with HWL/GM/BWL/AQ geared players getting killed by better skilled players in dungeon sets and MC gear.  They couldn't even depend on the baseline differential in power to defeat certain classes if played better.

Similarly, ilvl has never been an absolute indicator of a better piece of gear or equivalent to the point of being interchangeable with another piece of gear of the same quality.  Ever.

edit: not only that, the fact that lower ilvl AZ pieces with preferred traits will outperform higher ilvl pieces with unfortunate traits is a direct parallel to needing to sometimes still wear lower tier pieces in one or even two raid tier's progression content to retain certain set bonuses that offered synergy with specific specs and stats (and the occasional ridiculous synergy of a much lower tier item being BIS until the class itself gets altered...see T7 HAT-spec Sub rogue required to DW blue dungeon daggers in direct and ironic opposition to all conventional rogue mechanics in the game up to that point, with 25man KT daggers languishing in their bags or bank).  It happens, pretty much always has, because Blizz doesn't really know how classes interact with gear and stats and exists in a constant state of reaction to data coming back from players in game, on live, and then deciding if they like or don't like how things are working.

 

Yeah I know, but it's simple weird that you can get this gear for absolutely nothing effort same like free warfront pieces (ah sorry you need to grind reputation for that due system still calculate your neck as well) and just not in balance what you need to clear for example HC Uldir or doing M+ 10 runs to get this ilvl gear. I think this is serious problem because just like Demonpuke said:

 

8 hours ago, Demonpuke said:

what people want is a working system where they are rewarded properly for the time and skill invested

I totally agree with this. Already zero gap between casual and semi-hardcore players in gear what make the game feeling just "meh" and it should't be so. I play that +12 M+ to get better gear than who can't even finish 5 or 3. This is the same problem with the idiot level TF forging as well. 

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5 hours ago, Lawrenz said:

So i havent seen any 370s. They are not as easy to come by, after all. I have had 363 yesterday and the AZ piece was still 355. So i thought my theory that you will need 365 for it to scale up to 370 was true. But then a friend of mine has had 355s as well, with 367gear! ... So i guess, you have to have 370 already to get them? :'/

Would be a real shame, because everything else in emmisary rewards scales up earlier, like 5 or even 10 ILs over over your average. Weird that those are now an exception. Or 355s are available, but 370s a bit later? i am clueless

Has anyone got a 370 piece?

Well, it depends what Blizzard wants to achiev with this. Probably they just want to adress the amount of different pieces we can get within same ilvl. This means: if we got a 370 piece with bad traits, then we have another source to get one with good traits. But to say: i don't know what kind of gear can be looted out of an emissary chest.

I have another view on that whole thing. I think it's just a bad way and next thing Blizzard does in their way. Well it's okay, it's their game and i'll play it whether they do it or not. But it's a bad approach to bring things back on track. It's like swallowing medicine over medicine instead takling the root. The cause are the imbalanced traites and nothing else. Some traits are awesome while others are not helpfull at all. This big scissors is why i need to wear an ilvl 840 instead ilvl 885! This is just ridiculous bad design and is still not adressed by this "fix". Wanna know my opinon? This whole azerit-gear is not well-thought-out and this has already been mentioned during beta. I don't know who exactly has the lead by Blizzard through this expansion, but in terms of class- and reward-design these guys do and did an aweful job.

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7 hours ago, VictorVakaras said:

People with your mentality are the main problem WoW has always had. 

Casual  people like you ( which I do not consider a bad thing) that want the same IL and in game rewards with people that work for them is the actual problem wow has.But saddly you are the majority of the subscribers so..

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TL:DR you can get 370 pieces if your gear is around 370 already making this a useful way to catch up on Azerite if your other gear is already at that level.

Its not meant to give large gear upgrades like emissaries up to 340.

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2 hours ago, Allseye said:

This big scissors is why i need to wear an ilvl 840 instead ilvl 885! 

As far as I know about ilvl/Azerith traits performances, i don't see any situations in which you want to do that...

I'm not even convinced by not taking a +15 ilvl for a better azerith trait.. (The only exeption might be if you loose your last reorigination array trait and you are raiding in uldir)... So +45 ilvl...

Also this emissary system doesn't realy look like a atch up system, you need to be stuffed to get your 370 azerith piece... Which seems ok (at least fore me ^^).

 

PS: where do you loot 840 stuff? i'm stuck with 390 at most... :)

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The only way this is helpful is to get more azerite items and hope for better azerite powers.

The ilvl is completely garbage.

Oh, it's also helpful if you were VERY unlucky and have 340 shoulders with total ilvl 355.

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7 hours ago, Hypersonic said:

 

Yeah I know, but it's simple weird that you can get this gear for absolutely nothing effort same like free warfront pieces (ah sorry you need to grind reputation for that due system still calculate your neck as well)...


Oh I agree with this.  Never before has so good a gear been so easy to get so early in the game.  Normally this is like mid expansion stuff, like Timeless Isle with the whole "catch up" idea.  I remember coming back to the game after leveling one or two toons to cap almost coincidentally with the release of Timeless Isle and was amazed that, on my paladin, I caught a lucky farming group and went from boosted greens on that character to nearly full epic in a single night, and strong enough that taking on multiple elite mobs on the island wasn't a sure death sentence.  

This is better gear than that almost immediately out of the gate.  It's so easy I'm just jaw on the floor at guildies who seem to be online as much or more than me, aren't at least 300 within moments of hitting 120 and at or passed 325 within hours of being 120.   Because I literally wore the 300/310 crafted pieces for less than a few hours because I was able to prioritize Champions and hitting Azerite reward quests, opening up WQs, etc.   Except to familiarize yourself with the fights there's almost no reason to do Heroics for gear, 'cept maybe trinkets or if you've just been unlucky with drops and rewards for AZ pieces.

What worries me is getting so close to 400 this fast, what's going to be the cap before the next expansion in two years?  Stat creep has been such a problem and already this expansion is no exception.  Mione basically quit because of it, and now we have a mid level Mythic+ dungeon solo cleared by not a DK or Paladin but a DH, and he was "only" 374.   I'm not sure if it's truly Blizz just doesn't get character scaling and stats and specs or are they just doing it to give even the most casual player more of a feeling of power with at least some effort.

And it does take some, and it does take actually knowing how to get the game to help you out and offer you these rewards.  I still consider myself casual based on my play but even doing the most basic research on class, spec, stats and traits still seems to be beyond what the, I dunno, "true casual" is capable of putting forth?   I think I get what you're saying though and though I haven't cared about raiding since Wrath I both enjoy the benefits of this while recognizing it as a potential problem, I'm just not sure of the why.

 

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      Then that implies that you're saying the questions on say Twitter should be less valued when they're just as much of a player as you are. They could go through the same effort to write a tweet. I get the sentiment that on the forums you're able to articulate your statement/question better, however if you can't boil it down to a simpler question then your question is gonna have a hard time getting into the Q&A. Question cards can only be so long unfortunately >.>
      Back in the day we had wowgmfeedback-us@blizzard.com to provide feedback about GM/CMs or even being able to email to a supervisor directly to its personal blizzard e-mail.
      That still exists and is right here in the thread titled "Welcome - Please Read!":
      What if I would like to submit feedback on posts from Blizzard employees but not post on the forums as call outs are against the rules?
      If you have any sort of issue or feedback about a Blizzard employee's posts then you can submit that via email at wowcmfeedback@blizzard.com.
      Did the OP consider that maybe they got an even higher number of questions from Twitter or other social media platforms?
      We actually do get more questions on sites like Twitter than on the forums as in pure volume. I wouldn't say the quality is better, but there is quite a bit more there. 
      No one should have to put up with that under any circumstance, it is enough to drive a person to the brink of insanity.
      I cope by not letting the turtles make it to the water.
      There's a sticky that also has Twitter updates pasted in it as well lol.
      What's funny is that post exists because we're aware folks on the forums dislike Twitter. 

      For those that haven't seen it yet, I try to maintain a thread where I post updates on the forums that are said from Warcraftdevs on Twitter. You can check that out here:
      https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20767587764?page=1

      Also if you have suggestions on how to improve that please let me know. I try to grab them when I can but sometimes I do miss them (speaking of which I just noticed I need to repost some things there). I've been throwing up hotfixes as well in there since folks requested that.
      Ohh quit with the regurgitated "Not everyone uses the Forums" line.
      People play the game and "refuse" to use the official forums? Sounds like a personal problem "They" need to get over. Twitter is not even third party, they are their own party. You by far are the worst at understanding best business practices. You sound like a newly hired TSR.
      You may not like it but I'm being honest with you. Forums are not the most popular destination when it comes to where the game is discussed. I think forums are the best place given that a poster's ability to craft better posts is vastly superior here, but If your customers are largely in another place is it a good business practice to be where they are as well or ignore that they're in another place too? There is only one right answer to that question if you're looking at it from a business perspective.

      Why do you think we also read other fan sites and third party sites like Reddit, Twitter, and Discord? Players are there. It's a simple fact and reasoning.
      World of Warcraft Subscribers
      The final blue post deals with sub numbers. Players have been canceling their subs for various reasons since the dawn of WoW and Battle for Azeroth is nothing exceptional. A similar thing happened during Legion, the reason being Legendaries. The team is interally discussing player concerns and proposing ways of fixing them.
      Blizzard (Source)
      Is it just me or have there been far, far more threads claiming to not continue their sub/cancel completely compared to all throughout Legion? Like, it's getting to a point where I'm wondering if Blizzard is worried or not. I don't want to go through another WoD debacle but I'm just personally noticing the increase in people who seemingly are done with my favorite game of all time.

      This is troubling, no? Blizzard do you even care?
      ...Yeah, it was. Before this it was about flying and gated allied races.
      Then before that it was Legendaries in Legion, etc. The list goes on for each expansion. I remember seeing people on the forums claiming that the 1.6 patch was going to kill the game because it allowed players to queue for BGs at the Battlemasters in capital cities and thus they were unsubbing, this was 13 years ago.

      I don't want to diminish or invalidate anyone's criticism with this post but yes, GD has always been like this and always will.
      I'm actually kind of sad to see this reply as it just feels inline with everything going on lately. shrug of the shoulders and oh well, btw we are making azurite more complicated, have a nice day!!. in this answer all I see is more of the same our way or the highway attitude from blizz. its disappointing.
      ...Just gotta say, despite saying you don't want to diminish or invalidate criticism, you do just that.
      Sorry if that was the feeling at all as like I said I don't aim to do that by any means.

      Even though we all know how GD can get, we by no means use that to dismiss any present feelings or overall concerns. We recognize everyone is coming from a good place when they raise a concern and every forum post does have a point. Sometimes the point is a little silly or we disagree with it, but that doesn't make it any less valid from that perspective of that player (even if they use McNuggets to explain it). Internally though we share a lot of the concerns you guys have, and conversations happen daily around them as well. We discuss what actually causes this problem and how to solve it. That includes fixing something if we feel it does need to be fixed.
       
    • By Stan
      Varok Saurfang's story continues in Patch 8.1. Check out what awaits the High Overlord in Tides of Vengeance! This article contains spoilers.
      Foreword
      Blizzard released a cinematic titled "Old Soldier", where the High Overlord reacts to the Burning of Teldrassil. He's not content with Sylvanas' decisions and does not like where the Horde is heading.
      Saurfang becomes fed up with the events of the Battle for Lordaeron and is taken to the Stockades by Anduin. Later in the Stormwind Extraction Scenario, you find him locked up in a cell, but he does not want to return to Orgrimmar.
      If you missed our first installment of Saurfang's story in Battle for Azeroth, you can check it out here.
      Saurfang's Story in Patch 8.1
      Blizzard added a new NPC called Varok Saurfang in Tides of Vengeance and the Orc received a new skin as well. He's no longer referred to as "High Overlord" and does not wear his usual armor.

      Saurfang escaped the Stockades and Horde players are sent to investigate what happened to him. Sylvanas does not want him to fall into the hands of the Alliance and demands you to take him back to Orgrimmar. Our favorite Zappyboi makes an appearance at the end of the questline, joining him in battle.
      Varok Saurfang Questline in Patch 8.1
      The 8.1 questline starts with Dark Ranger Alina and "The Dark Lady Calls" quest aboard the Bahsee Wall and Sylvanas requests your audience in Orgrimmar.
      The Dark Lady Calls
      Champion, the Dark Lady has need of you. We cannot speak more of this here. Make haste to Orgrimmar at once. Best not to keep her waiting.
      An Abomination Guard is guarding the door in Grommash Hold to ensure that your meeting with Sylvanas stays private.
      The High Overlord
      I have asked you here to discuss a matter of great improtance to the Horde. Varok Saurfang is no longer present in Stormwind. Let us discuss this turn of events.
      Sylvanas wants you to locate Saurfang, because the Alliance would surely kill him on sight. Some members of the Horde question his loyalty and consider him a traitor for his willing surrender at the Battle for Lordaeron.
      A Way Out
      My spies report that our High Overlord did not leave the way he entered, not any other way we know of. No signs were seen at any of the known exits to the Stockades or sewers. He simply was in his cell one moment, and not the next. Begin your investigation around the city of Stormwind. There must be another way out that we do not know of. Dark Ranger Lyana will meet you there, her tracking skills are second to none. Do not fail me, my champion.
      Now, you must reach Elwynn Forest to continue the questline. The easiest way was to teleport to Dalaran, use the portal to Karazhan and fly there.
      On Track
      Keep your head down, we don't want to be seen out here. Our spies keep watching over Stormwind day and night, and saw no signs of Saurfang. Not did we notice any oddly-oversized carts or strange ships in the night, if that was what you were thinking. How then, did he make his escape? Let's look around.
      You're going to find a sewer exit outside the city.
      Clicking the Old Lock will make the following text appear:
      Now that you've found Saurfang's escape route, the search continues...
      You will be attacked by SI:7 Agents and the quest is complete when you defeat all three.
      You need to keep moving, because SI:7 Agents are probably looking for Saurfang as well.
      Eastern Escape
      It's not unusual to see SI:7 spies lurking around the city, but still, something about this doesn't feel right. We need to find where Saurfang's trail picks up. The last tracks were heading east, towards Redridge. At the entrance to Redridge is Three Corners, one of the more well-defended towers the Alliance has. I have an idea, meet me there.
      The search for Saurfang continues in Redridge Mountains.
      Corner Crossing
      If Saurfang was headed in this direction, it would have been difficult for him to avoid the Three Corners watchpost. We could simply walk in there and demand information, but I have a feeling that they would not part with it willingly. So we will take another approach. I have procured this potion from our alchemists. It will turn us into--ugh-- humans for a while. We can then question the guards, perhaps someone saw something.
      Use the Humanizing Potion to turn yourself into a Human for 10 minutes and ask guards for information. After you taken on the appearance of a Human, Lyana tells you:
      You're going to approach guards and tell them you've lost a puppy. Dark Ranger Lyana goes by the name "Marion Sutton" when transformed.
      The guards were super drunk last night and they do not recall anything. It must have been fairly easy for Saurfang to pass by the Three Corner watchpost unnoticed. Now you question Darcy Parker about what happened last night.
      The search continues in Lakeshire at Inkeeper Brianna. She informs you that guards are staying upstairs at the Lakeshire Inn. After searching the room for clues, you find an Official-Looking Note from Shaw:
      Signs of Saurfang
      With the guards drunk at their posts, Saurfang would have had little trouble passing Three Corners undetected. The path splits up ahead. The back roads of Redridge are poorly-patrolled and infested with gnolls and spiders. In other words, a perfect path for an orc trying to not to be noticed. His most likely path is Lakeridge Highway, we should continue our investigation there.
      You'll find ripped webbing, ichor, and plenty of killed spiders in Lakeridge Highway.
      Defeat the Injured Bristlequeen to complete the quest.
      Ever Eastward
      All signs point to our quarry heading farther east. To what end, Im an not sure, but I have my suspicions. I am going to scout the area from the air, let's meet up at Redridge Pass.
      Tracking Tipoff
      Look there, down the hill, one of the Alliance hunters that roams the area. No one knows these pathways like them. If our quarry passed through this area, they would certainly have seen the tracks. Their dogs may even have noticed. Here is another dose of the potion. Let us question this one while he is alone.
      It's time to drink  Humanizing Potion again and question Hunter McAlister who is later killed, because his dogs notice you're not actual humans.
      Killing Hunter McAlister and his dogs makes Zappyboi appear! Zekhan offers the next quest while Lyana informs you she must return to the Warchief.
      Zekhan tells you that Saurfang's hiding at a nearby farm.
      Grim Tidings
      Ey mon, dat dark ranger, she lied to ya'! Saurfang knew they'd be comin' for him. He sent me to watch the pass, see who his assassins were, try to warn him if I could. She's not reportin' back nothin', she's goin' to kill him. Probably got a whole group of deathguards just waiting for her to give the signal. We gotta stop dem! You with me?
      Dark Ranger Lyana lied to you and she wants to kill him. Better hurry and inform Saurfang who's located in the Swamp of Sorrows.
      A Warrior's Death
      She gonna try an' take him in, and then no one ever gonna see Varok Saurfang again. Dis was never a rescue mission, dis was about power, an' control, an' Sylvanas think she be holdin' all the cards. But she didn't count on us! Let's go.
      Turns out Sylvanas actually tricked you and wants Saurfang dead.
      Completing the quest rewards a fun cloak toy - Worn Cloak. A scripted event will begin as soon as you accept the quest and you must defend Saurfang.
      Dark Ranger Lyana and her crew die, but now you must come up with something to fool Sylvanas.
      Queen's Favor
      I have two things to ask of you, and I do not ask them lightly. First, I need you to retain the favor of the warchief. She will undoubtedly have questions, and seeds of distrust may begin to grow, but she cannot lose you as an ally, not now. She would not so willingly part with one of her greatest champions. In order to do so, it will have to look like you faced me in combat, and lost. I trust you can take a hit. Second, I ask you not to follow me further. I must make this journey alone.
      Talk to Saurfang and tell him to punch you. The screen turns black for a second and you will be afflicted with the "Convincing Blow" debuff for 10 minutes.
      Finally, go to Orgrimmar and talk to Sylvanas in Grommash Hold to complete the Queen's Favor quest that rewards Artifact Power.
      The story ends here. Sylvanas doesn't know you defeated the dark ranger and her forces along with Saurfang and Zekhan. Let's see what the future holds for Varok. Let us know what you think about his story so far and Sylvanas wanting him dead.
      Characters Involved in the Questline
      Dark Ranger Lyana
      Veteran Dark Ranger appointed by Sylvanas to help you track down Saurfang. In the beginning, it all looks like a rescue mission, but further down the questline you learn that she was deceiving you all along. She's later killed by the player, Saurfang, and Zekhan.
      Varok Saurfang
      Saurfang escaped the Stockades and you find him hiding at a farm in the swamps with simple armor and without the "High Overlord" title, indicating his discontent with Sylvanas' Horde. You confront Dark Ranger Lyana and her forces as you uncover her vile intentions and learn that the rescue mission was actually a lie and Sylvanas wants him dead. He doesn't want you or Zekhan to follow him, because he clearly states that he must travel the path alone. The character of Saurfang remains the embodiment of the Horde's long-lost honor.
      Zekhan
      Zappyboi makes an appearance during the questline and fights alongside Saurfang. Blizzard did a really great job at portraying him loyal to Varok at times of need as we saw in the Old Soldier cinematic.
      Lady Sylvanas Windrunner
      Another lie has been told by the Warchief. First, she makes you believe it's of utmost importance to track down Saurfang, who recently escaped the Stockades, so that the Alliance does not kill him. Later, she accuses Varok of treason against the Horde and she wants him dead. After you kill Lyana and her forces, you fool her into believing that Saurfang did all that. Blizzard confirmed in an interview that Sylvanas will not be Garrosh 2.0 in Battle for Azeroth.
      Gameplay Video
      Saurfang-Sylvanas relations hit an all-time low in Tides of Vegeance.
    • By Jovovich
      World of Warcraft - [Horde][US-Arthas]Unhuman - Francais - Uldir 3/8M  -  www.unhuman.ca
       
      Unhuman est à la recherche de nouveaux visages qui seraient intéressés à joindre ses rangs!
      Forum: http://forum.unhuman.ca/forum/7-recrutement/
       
      Raiding:
      - [Raid] Hex Uldir: 3/8M, 2soir, Mercredi et Jeudi 8pm à 11pm  (EST)
         Leader: Fangpriest / Assistant: Pandov et Starbender
      - [Raid] Unknown (Heroic only) Uldir: 4/8H, 1soir, Mercredi 7pm a 10pm (EST)
         Leader: Felfâllen / Assistant: Flos,  Falmortis 
      - [Raid] Casual Uldir: 0/8N, 1soir, En formation
         Leader: Legitdh 
      - Raid ouvert a tout les membres de la guilde (normal only) uldir: 8/8N, samedi matin 10am a 1pm (EST)
         Leader: Jovovich
       
      PvP:
      - [PvP] Unhuman RBG: 1200 rating, 1soir Dimanche des 9hpm (EST)
       
      Communauté:
      - Plus de  445 accounts
       
      Unhuman est plus qu'une guilde de raiding performante, c'est aussi la plus grosse communauté Francophone sur World of Warcraft US. Depuis sa création en 2006, Unhuman cherche à offrir à ses raiders un environnement de jeu qui favorise la progression et ce avec des joueurs d'excellent calibre. Nous sommes constamment à la recherche de nouveaux joueurs que ce soit PVE ou PVP, mais aussi des masters du Pet Battles, des champions de l'Archéologie ou peu importe ce qui vous branche ingame. Vous êtes donc assuré de trouver ce que vous cherchez chez nous peu importe votre style de jeu.
       
      Pour toutes questions...
       
      - http://unhuman.ca/
       
      - Jovovich-Arthas, Guild Master
      - Falmortis-Arthas, Officier
    • By Jovovich
      World of Warcraft - [Horde][US-Arthas]Unhuman - French - Uldir: 3/8M - www.unhuman.ca
       
      Unhuman is RECRUITING!
      Forum: http://forum.unhuman.ca/forum/7-recrutement/
       
      Raiding:
      - [Raid] Hex Uldir: 3/8M, 2day, Wednesday and Thursday 8pm to 11pm  (EAST)
         Leader: Fangpriest / Assistant: Pandov et Starbender
      - [Raid] Unknown (Heroic only) Uldir: 4/8H, 1day, Wednesday 7pm to 10pm (EAST)
         Leader: Felfâllen / Assistant: Flos , Florih et Falmortis 
      - [Raid] Casual Uldir: 0/8N, 1day, in formation
         Leader: Legitdh 
      - 1 more raid in formation...
       
      PvP:
      - [PvP] Unhuman RBG: 1200 rating, 1day Sunday starting at 9hpm (EAST)
       
      Community:
      - More than 445 account
       
      Unhuman is a performing raiding guild with multiple raid groups, it's one of the biggest, for not saying the biggest one, french community on World of Warcraft US. Unhuman has been created in December 2006 and will continue to live for a long time, Unhuman is trying to give to our raiders everything they need to be focus only on good progression!. Unhuman is always looking for new players of all kind, PvE or PvP, even with Battle pets or Archeologists or anything else you can do in the game....You will be sure to find your way with Unhuman!
       
      For any question...
      - http://unhuman.ca/
      - Jovovich-Arthas, Guild Master
      - Falmortis-Arthas, Officier