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Blizzard added an alternative ending to Saurfang's storyline in this week's 8.1 PTR Build 28202. The article contains major story spoilers. Proceed with caution!

If you read our preview of Saurfang's story in Patch 8.1, you probably know what's cooking for Varok in Tides of Vengeance. From the quest it appears that Saurfang has sided with the Alliance (Shaw) and members of the community consider him a traitor now, but the questline forced them to side with Saurfang and Zekhan.

Blizzard recently added an alternative ending to the story. After Zekhan appears and offers the "Grim Tidings" quest, there's a new option available, which allows you to tell Zekhan that you will not betray Sylvanas.

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A new window pops up, informing you that your choice will prevent you from completing the main Fate of Saurfang quests and receiving the Worn CloakWorn Cloak toy. Instead, you will be given an alternative quest to return back to Sylvanas and Zekhan will remember this!

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For the Queen

You chose not to side with the traitor Saurfang and his troll lackey. Now that you know where Saurfang is, and who is with him, you should report to Sylvanas to see if she has any further orders.

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Now you must return back to Sylvanas in Orgrimmar. The quest rewards Artifact Power and you learn that Sylvanas has special plans for Zekhan.

Your loyalty will not go unrewarded, champion. Lyana departed here only moments ago. I have dispatched the dark ranger and a contigent of loyal deathguard to apprehend the traitor Saurfang in Swamp of Sorrows. He may come peacefully, or he may not. Your hands should not, in any case, be bloodied in this confrontation. You are to remain a hero, golden in the eyes of the people, as we have need of. And as for that troll you mentioned, I have special plans for him.

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Lady Sylvanas Windrunner says: I never doubted you for a moment.

Lady Sylvanas Windrunner says: For the Horde!

Who's Telling the Truth?

It's interesting to see an alternative ending to the storyline, but is Sylvanas really telling the truth?

After you finish "Tracking Tipoff" and Zekhan appears, Dark Ranger Lyana tells you that she must return back to Sylvanas.

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Dark Ranger Lyana says: I must report back to the warchief. You are to take no further action until you hear from me again. Understood?

When you choose to side with Zekhan and accept "Grim Tidings", he tells you that Lyana actually wants to kill him and that she's not reporting back to the warchief.

In Orgrimmar, however, Sylvanas tells you that Lyana departed just a few moments ago from there when you arrive to finish the questline.

What do you think?

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I'm interested to see if the story will actually differ or if it'll just be a faction later down the line that you'll either start off at a higher reputation threshold if you helped Zekhan and Saurfang and lower if you didn't, possibly hated until you do some make up quest. Though, I like that we're being given a choice instead of just doing what we're told like we've done since the game's conception even if it turns out meaningless in the end, it shows that they have the means of doing something like this later down the line and adding new possibilities.

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34 minutes ago, Durf24 said:

I'm interested to see if the story will actually differ(...)

Unlikely, they would have to make two different storylines and how this expansion could move forward, while they have to acknowledge different resolutions? It will likely lead to same outcome, just different perspectives and ways to get there. Also, no choice appears on Alliance side (though they are the ones backing Saurfang).

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Yes, this is a moral dilemma for the Horde alone.  They can choose to follow evil and the true traitor to the Horde, Sylvanas, or they can be on the right side of history.  There will be plenty who make the easy choice to simply follow Sylvanas to their eventual end as yet another disposable pawn in her scheme.

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10 hours ago, Sholto said:

Yes, this is a moral dilemma for the Horde alone.  They can choose to follow evil and the true traitor to the Horde, Sylvanas, or they can be on the right side of history.  There will be plenty who make the easy choice to simply follow Sylvanas to their eventual end as yet another disposable pawn in her scheme.

 

Who says that Sylvanas is a traitor ?! , if this is true it will be another Garosh and seems like blizzard has lazy writers , Sylvanas did what had to be done but ones like you in the Horde didn't have heart to do it . We cant stay friendly with A forever , we have some major problems with them , starting with the boy king itself , And btw if you think choosing Saurfang is freedom you are wrong , you will forever be a pawn in this game no matter which side you choose bro...

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I think it is great Blizzard is offering us a choice, even if it won't make much of a difference in the end. There where plenty of people who back during MoP wanted to back Garrosh for example.

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I love the idea of choice, it's what the MMORPG's RP part heavily needs, I hope they'd add more of these in game. 
And yes, I would gladly stand with Garrosh back then if I had the similar choice, just like how Nazgrim did.
Because for some of us loyalty and real honor is much more important than advertising "Lok'tar" but not going "Ogar" and kneel at the end instead, that's what Varok did, you know. 

During the Battle for Lordaeron, he went out to die in battle but when he got defeated he kneeled and made himself a prisoner.
How's that Victory or Death? 

If he'd really wanted to die in battle, he'd make a last move at the boy-king's throat and would have his wish, but he didn't.
And as the matter goes on, every move he's making is contradicting with himself, loyalty and honor.

I really wonder where this is going, but I'm also starting to lose my faith in Blizzard's promise that "Sylvanas won't be Garrosh 2.0"
We'll all wait and see I guess... 

Until then, I personally stand with Warchief, because:
"Honor means nothing to a corpse."

 

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21 hours ago, Elendorei said:

Who says that Sylvanas is a traitor ?! , if this is true it will be another Garosh and seems like blizzard has lazy writers , Sylvanas did what had to be done but ones like you in the Horde didn't have heart to do it . We cant stay friendly with A forever , we have some major problems with them , starting with the boy king itself , And btw if you think choosing Saurfang is freedom you are wrong , you will forever be a pawn in this game no matter which side you choose bro...

 

Who says?  

You don't even know how this war was started.  Go tell that warmed over propaganda to someone as ill informed.  You know nothing of your leader much less Anduin.  Why don't you start by getting educated on why Arathi is the first Warfront and see about what happened there.  On top of this there's the whole idea that her schemes re:Azerite put the entire world at risk.

No, she's not another Garrosh.  She's a wannabe Lich Queen who falls somewhere between Gul'Dan and the Burning Legion.

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17 hours ago, Aernath said:

I love the idea of choice, it's what the MMORPG's RP part heavily needs, I hope they'd add more of these in game. 
And yes, I would gladly stand with Garrosh back then if I had the similar choice, just like how Nazgrim did.
Because for some of us loyalty and real honor is much more important than advertising "Lok'tar" but not going "Ogar" and kneel at the end instead, that's what Varok did, you know. 

During the Battle for Lordaeron, he went out to die in battle but when he got defeated he kneeled and made himself a prisoner.
How's that Victory or Death? 

If he'd really wanted to die in battle, he'd make a last move at the boy-king's throat and would have his wish, but he didn't.
And as the matter goes on, every move he's making is contradicting with himself, loyalty and honor.

I really wonder where this is going, but I'm also starting to lose my faith in Blizzard's promise that "Sylvanas won't be Garrosh 2.0"
We'll all wait and see I guess... 

Until then, I personally stand with Warchief, because:
"Honor means nothing to a corpse."

 

There's a BIG difference between being loyal to your country (faction in this case), and loyal to a government (the warchief)

Basically: Saurfang is loyal to the Horde (in fact, he clearly loves it deeply), but not the Warchief which he feels isn't upholdning the principles of the Horde. Victory or Death has no meaning, if he has nothing to fight for.

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“Lok'tar ogar! Victory or death - it is these words that bind me to the Horde. For they are the most sacred and fundamental of truths to any warrior of the Horde.

I give my flesh and blood freely to the Warchief. I am the instrument of my Warchief's desire. I am a weapon of my Warchief's command.

From this moment until the end of days I live and die - For the Horde!”

Daily reminder that anyone who doesn’t support Sylvanas is an oathbreaker and has no place in the Horde.

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On 10/27/2018 at 9:17 AM, Sholto said:

 

Who says?  

You don't even know how this war was started.  Go tell that warmed over propaganda to someone as ill informed.  You know nothing of your leader much less Anduin.  Why don't you start by getting educated on why Arathi is the first Warfront and see about what happened there.  On top of this there's the whole idea that her schemes re:Azerite put the entire world at risk.

No, she's not another Garrosh.  She's a wannabe Lich Queen who falls somewhere between Gul'Dan and the Burning Legion.

I see no point in your sentence dude , you are telling me that Sylvanas is a traitor to "the Horde" and yet you tell me check how the war started . 

On 10/27/2018 at 12:16 AM, Aernath said:

I love the idea of choice, it's what the MMORPG's RP part heavily needs, I hope they'd add more of these in game. 
And yes, I would gladly stand with Garrosh back then if I had the similar choice, just like how Nazgrim did.
Because for some of us loyalty and real honor is much more important than advertising "Lok'tar" but not going "Ogar" and kneel at the end instead, that's what Varok did, you know. 

During the Battle for Lordaeron, he went out to die in battle but when he got defeated he kneeled and made himself a prisoner.
How's that Victory or Death? 

If he'd really wanted to die in battle, he'd make a last move at the boy-king's throat and would have his wish, but he didn't.
And as the matter goes on, every move he's making is contradicting with himself, loyalty and honor.

I really wonder where this is going, but I'm also starting to lose my faith in Blizzard's promise that "Sylvanas won't be Garrosh 2.0"
We'll all wait and see I guess... 

Until then, I personally stand with Warchief, because:
"Honor means nothing to a corpse."

 

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18 hours ago, Brutalis said:

“Lok'tar ogar! Victory or death - it is these words that bind me to the Horde. For they are the most sacred and fundamental of truths to any warrior of the Horde.

I give my flesh and blood freely to the Warchief. I am the instrument of my Warchief's desire. I am a weapon of my Warchief's command.

From this moment until the end of days I live and die - For the Horde!”

Daily reminder that anyone who doesn’t support Sylvanas is an oathbreaker and has no place in the Horde.

My life is For the Horde.
I live and die, For the Horde.

Lok'tar Ogar. Victory or death. I am a child of the Horde. I give my life freely for the Horde. I will take up arms, For the Horde. 
I fight, For the Horde. The Horde is not Sylvannas. The Horde is the inhabitants. The races that fill the ranks of the Horde. I fight and die for them. Even if I'm branded as a traitor by Sylvannas' Horde, I will live and die knowing everything I've done was with honor and I did it For. The. Horde.

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21 hours ago, Elendorei said:

I see no point in your sentence dude , you are telling me that Sylvanas is a traitor to "the Horde" and yet you tell me check how the war started . 


The pretext Sylvanas used to start this off, breaking the cease fire, in a combination of her paranoia that everyone was somehow like her and about to do to her what she would do to them, was this event called "The Gathering".  Where did it occur, you ask?  Arathi.  It's no coincidence this is the site of the first Warfront, not Darkshore.

Who was killed by Sylvanas' dark rangers?  Every member of the The Forsaken's "Desolate Council" in attendence, which was formed in her absence so that the Undercity and its citizens could still have a functioning community, because everyday shit still had to get done while Sylvanas was off figuring out how to not just preserve her finite number of Forsaken but figure out how she was going to turn Stormwind and all Humans into Forsaken 2.0 as well as exacerbate the damage already done to Azeroth by having the Goblins go to town turning Azerite into weapons.

She was not doing this "For the Horde".  She was not doing this for The Forsaken, who do not want to be immortal and her property in perpetuity.  She's doing it for herself, risking all.

Oh, and she also murdered Calia Menethil, who's now a Lightforged Undead and even more capable of being the leader The Forsaken need, even if some of them don't deserve her.  But she slaughtered all of the Forsaken that were present so that there would be no witnesses to counter her version of the events she would give for why they were all dead and why The Horde should once again go to war.
 

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Even prior to this, Sylvanas was threatened by the presence of the Desolate Council.  Not even truly acknowledging that the group formed out of necessity, because she was not there to run the Undercity.  She's both insecure as well as paranoid.  She's been lying to them this whole time and removing all hope from them so that they have no choice but to view her as the center of their world, the only one who will ever care for them and protect them.    You know that speech that the little dwarf psychic gives to the family in Poltergeist about "the Beast" and its lies to all the souls trapped in the house, including Carol Anne?  That's Sylvanas.  She's "the Beast".

She's no better than an average mentally abusive but co-dependent spouse.  Her soul is gone and the fact that The Forsaken are not actually like her, and some still do have a desire for connection to the living world, is a threat.  And ultimately she would sacrifice every single one of them if it meant she got a whole new crop of undead to serve her, which would also solve their desire to be reunited with their Human families and friends.

That's not opinion, that's born out in the lore now.  That's who she is.  In so many words.  

And if in all that you don't see a betrayal of not only "her people" but The Horde, well, I can't help you.  Maybe The Horde deserves the destruction she will bring down on you.   It was formed out of pure evil anyway.  Too bad about the Tauren.

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On 10/26/2018 at 3:46 PM, Aernath said:

During the Battle for Lordaeron, he went out to die in battle but when he got defeated he kneeled and made himself a prisoner.
How's that Victory or Death?

SIGH...

yea not at all tired from fighting off virtually the entire Alliance leadership and their champions.  Not tuckered out at all. Totally bowing to their king.

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Or maybe as one of the (seemingly) few thinking Orcs, maybe he recognizes that dying for nothing, or winning for wrong, maybe, just maybe, he realizes this slogan is B.S. and he wants more than a binary existence that benefits others who would use him.  Maybe his heart really isn't in it and he recognizes that solidarity "For the Horde" blindly, uncritically, is the way of the simple bitch.

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On 10/26/2018 at 12:48 AM, Sholto said:

They can choose to follow evil and the true traitor to the Horde, Sylvanas

Lol, saufarg willingly becomes a puppet for a faction he hates knowing he will be the cause of countless horde ( non forsaken ) deaths.

You cannot top that treason.Sylvanas has shit morals but she is loyal as fuck.She doesnt even abandon the zandalari after the raid despite the fact that they can no longer offer their navy.

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On 11/1/2018 at 5:18 PM, Kurosu said:

Lol, saufarg willingly becomes a puppet for a faction he hates knowing he will be the cause of countless horde ( non forsaken ) deaths.

You cannot top that treason.Sylvanas has shit morals but she is loyal as fuck.She doesnt even abandon the zandalari after the raid despite the fact that they can no longer offer their navy.

You're simply naive and ignorant to how foolish the Horde are to follow her at this point.  Every Horde life lost is on her.  And, I will say again, this war was kicked off by Sylvanas ordering her dark rangers to slaughter every Forsaken partaking in The Gathering.

Sylvanas is not "for the Horde", she is not "for the Forsaken", she is for herself.  Period.  It's only naivete to the explicit story and lore that is now cannon that allows you and any other foolish Horde to think otherwise.

edit: and even though it's thick headed to interpret Saurfang's actions as you describe, it would still be better to be puppet to a good man than slave or puppet or willing fool to an evil one.

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4 hours ago, Sholto said:

You're simply naive and ignorant to how foolish the Horde are to follow her at this point.  Every Horde life lost is on her.  And, I will say again, this war was kicked off by Sylvanas ordering her dark rangers to slaughter every Forsaken partaking in The Gathering.

Sylvanas is not "for the Horde", she is not "for the Forsaken", she is for herself.  Period.  It's only naivete to the explicit story and lore that is now cannon that allows you and any other foolish Horde to think otherwise.

edit: and even though it's thick headed to interpret Saurfang's actions as you describe, it would still be better to be puppet to a good man than slave or puppet or willing fool to an evil one.

Let me guess :  alliance player? You guys do tend not to understand the lore at all.

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On 11/3/2018 at 5:18 AM, Kurosu said:

Let me guess :  alliance player? You guys do tend not to understand the lore at all.

Let me guess, you aren't even versed on "the lore" for what we're going through now.  Because following Sylvanas right now means you're either ignorant, or just an asshole.  And you're not actually "For the Horde" at all, or just don't know the difference in validity between fighting for survival legitimately and fighting to survive a self-inflicted situation. 

 


edit: but it doesn't matter which type of Horde player you are, the dupe or the bully, because she will not be the Warchief by end of this expansion and The Horde will come to actually know her.   Whether they want to interpret how she evolves as "Garrosh 2.0" or not is immaterial now.  There's no redemption, only cleansing and folks have a diminishing window to escape the shame of being on her side.

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On 11/4/2018 at 6:03 PM, Sholto said:

Let me guess, you aren't even versed on "the lore" for what we're going through now.  Because following Sylvanas right now means you're either ignorant, or just an asshole.  And you're not actually "For the Horde" at all, or just don't know the difference in validity between fighting for survival legitimately and fighting to survive a self-inflicted situation. 

 


edit: but it doesn't matter which type of Horde player you are, the dupe or the bully, because she will not be the Warchief by end of this expansion and The Horde will come to actually know her.   Whether they want to interpret how she evolves as "Garrosh 2.0" or not is immaterial now.  There's no redemption, only cleansing and folks have a diminishing window to escape the shame of being on her side.

Case in point.You actually believe whether a leader in this game is "good" or "bad" its dependant on if he survives.So what that she will lose her rank? But if you want to follow your own logic, take a moment to reflect on how varian suicided (yes I said it) and consider how someone's "death" defines him.Or are you that deep in the alliance fanboyism that you didnt even understand how he died?

 

edit : oh and sorry to be the bearer of "bad news" but  blizzard announced sylvanas is not planned to die or anything yet.

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On 11/11/2018 at 8:37 AM, Kurosu said:

You actually believe whether a leader in this game is "good" or "bad" its dependant on if he survives.

No.  In fact that's one of the most clueless interpretations of something I've said I've ever read/heard.  I've spent way, way too much time pointing out how *bad*, not "bad", some are based on actions.

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On 11/11/2018 at 8:37 AM, Kurosu said:

oh and sorry to be the bearer of "bad news" but  blizzard announced sylvanas is not planned to die or anything yet.

Sorry to be the bearer of worse news, I know what's going to happen with her already, and though she deserves death I've not really called for her death because good villains should be kept around.  And that is what she is, for The Horde as well, they just don't know it (yet) most of them.

 

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      Because the thing is, that sentence applies to both sides and it drives me crazy. Most comments about either Classic or Battle for Azeroth end up in mud-slinging matches for no real reason other then one side is being negative about the other side's favorite version of WoW. And the funny thing is, there are way, WAY more commonalities than differences in there, after you remove the ego of "my WoW is/was better yours sucks". In the end, no matter what anyone says, they are talking and arguing and fighting about it because they care about WoW.
      To get back to Classic for a bit, this is what I think is happening. Players who prefer the old ways (and full disclosure, I'd count myself among them, but to a smaller degree than most) complain/talk about the negative sides of modern WoW and Battle for Azeroth in general. While they do this they also talk about how things were better before and often mention Vanilla as a reference point. People who enjoy BfA now feel attacked by this and so they retaliate. Hence, liking Classic means you either have nostalgia goggles on or have no idea what you're talking about and will hate the same things you say you want 2 weeks after you start playing it. It's an amazing thing, where literally each side is doing to the other what they feel is being (wrongly) done to them. I feel like writing this is the most redundant thing I've ever done, and yet I also feel that it needs to be said, because it seems some people just don't get what they're doing, or at least I hope they don't (some do and are doing it on purpose but there's trolls everywhere so there's no point in even discussing them).
      But let's actually talk a bit about Classic, shall we?
       
      Nostalgia?

      I was actually a warrior in Vanilla, but the lure of 2h Windfury is too strong
      Well, yes.
      Logging in for the first time, being welcomed by THAT login screen and THAT music... You can't not be taken back if you've played Vanilla, and especially if you've played 2 years of it non-stop all day every day. I probably stayed 10 minutes in character creation just because of the music alone (and trying to get my character looking exactly as it did back then - although I wasn't a shaman then). The whole intro experience was especially amazing for me since the Tauren starting zone was my first encounter with WoW in the EU beta, and a little bit of that spark did return. But is that all Classic has to offer? A trip back in time when we were wowed by the game for the very first time?
      Well, no.
       
      Difficulty or Tedium?
      The main topic for Classic at the moment would be whether the game is actually harder or just has more redundant activities you have to do before doing the stuff that's really fun. This is actually a good discussion to have, and not just for WoW, but gaming in general. The main sticking point for now, as most people are on (relatively) low levels is the breaks between killing mobs, especially for mana users. In the beginning it's actually refreshing having to think about what you can and can't pull, not just running into a bunch of mobs and killing them in *insert current optimal time to kill Blizzard determined is the most fun*. The food/drink breaks after a few (or even one) mobs provide time to actually look around the scenery and the mobs you're facing, and while there isn't much strategy involved at these levels, you still at least pretend to plan out how you're going to get to that quest mob without being killed by the 4 random ones surrounding them. Not being able to pull whatever mob you want, and actually having to check what mobs are there when you don't have interrupts yet (casters tend to be a nightmare) is definitely more difficult in a real way than what we have today. As a caster, having to actually think about which spells to use based on mana cost (and perhaps even using lower ranked ones) is definitely more difficult and requires more engagement with your character than we have in modern WoW.

      Me after 1 plainstrider
      However, after a while the novelty of it wears off and you do start getting a little bored of all the eating and drinking (and wondering why your character isn't getting to Kul Tiran levels of fat), especially if you hop on to BfA for a bit in between. The difference is huge and once you're used to just slamming into 5 mobs and downing them quickly it can get a bit boring to just pull 1 mob at a time and then wait and wait. The really low levels aren't that different between live and Classic in terms of gameplay however, as the small amount of abilities means combat isn't exactly the most exciting thing in either. On live you get past that pretty quickly, but it takes a while longer in Classic (especially if you're playing solo).
      In Classic, playing different classes actually feels different in more ways than just their abilities, at least if you think about it a little. Playing a priest, you really want to find a group because that's what the class was designed for, which is both good and bad - you're stuck very slowly leveling if you're solo, emphasizing the frustration of the slow pulling, but having different classes require different gameplay can be good. If you want to play a priest you're going to have to be more social by default, just whisper the guy you see killing stuff next to you and go level together, you'll immediately have a better time of it (this part is particularly exacerbated in the beta, as there are fewer players).
      In the end, while it may be a huge cop-out, it really does come down to personal preference. Some people will simply not be able to handle the huge downtime between pulls, not being able to buy a new skill rank because you spent all your money on food and drinks (mages were popular for a reason back then), the very slow pace of leveling, and a whole lot more frustrations and not user-friendly features. On the other hand, the experience really is significantly different enough from modern WoW that it does feel enough like a "new" game, or at least a new and different expansion. An expansion that has many more differences than the last 3 or so, something that's both new and old and familiar. And, yes, it also offers massive quantities of nostalgia for those of us that played Vanilla, but what's so wrong about that?

      After the first 2, I actually forgot to take more screenshots, so here's Stan barely being able to afford skills because of his nasty water addiction.
      A simple truth
      The simple truth behind all of this bickering and squabbling is that there really isn't a bad way to enjoy a game. You like the feeling of Classic taking you back to your young(er) days and that rush of falling in love with WoW for the first time? You like the slower pace of both combat and leveling? You like that the social aspects of the game take a front seat? Good, enjoy it! You prefer modern WoW and BfA with it's tons of improvements, smoother design and more player-friendly features? Great, enjoy it! It doesn't matter whether you prefer modern WoW or Classic or WotLK or whichever your personal high-point was (it was Burning Crusade and Legion for me), you're not wrong. You literally can't be. No matter what anyone says in all these heated discussions, they care about WoW, in whatever form they prefer it. So why can't this be enough of a commonality for us to have a civil discourse?
      I wanted to talk more about Classic here and my experience with it, especially relating to my Vanilla days, but somehow I kept writing about this rift that's forming in the WoW community. I can't seem to shake it, and for all the many, MANY times WoW was diagnosed as "dying" (and never did/never will), this one actually worries me. Some people have worried that Classic servers will split the community because BfA and Classic can't play together and few people will have the time to play both, but I'm worried it will REALLY split the community on a more philosophical level. At the moment WoW is back to being the most watched game on Twitch, beating out Fortnite and the rest, so shouldn't this be a happy moment for all of us that care about the game? Regardless of whether you enjoy BfA, or are holding on for the next expansion to fix things, or can't wait for Classic, can we at least TRY to keep things civil? We can disagree all day long, and I'm the first to put my opinions out there, but just don't accuse people of being... whatever it is you think they are. Argue facts, discuss calmly (or well, at least try to), and if you see the other person isn't doing the same, just politely stop talking to them. It's that simple.
      Next time I'll hopefully be talking more about the game itself than the narrative around it, but until then: enjoy what you enjoy and don't get sucked in to discussions about how you're wrong to do so.
      What is Classic really like and why is it causing such a rift in the WoW community?
    • By Stan
      Venturebeat interviewed J. Allen Brack and he talked about Classic WoW, Diablo Immortal, and Blizzard games in general.
      You can read the full interview here.
      Interview Highlights
      Brack played every Blizzard game, but World of Warcraft will always be closest to his heart. World of Warcraft changed Blizzard. When the game launched back in 2004, the company had 300 employees. Currently, they have 4,300 employees. They've got more games that they're working on now than at any other time in the history of Blizzard. Not every game released by Blizzard needs to cater to everyone. It's fine if you don't like a certain game. Mobile is a platform on its own, similar to consoles or PC. The games they're developing for mobile are going to provide an authentic experience, but mobile titles aren't trying to replicate PC experience. Nintendo has been a great partner and they are happy with how the Diablo III panned out. Switch has some unique properties that consoles don't have. From a player perspective, Brack's proud of his guild downing Ragnaros back in Vanilla. Kael'thas was also a hard boss during the Burning Crusade, so defeating him was also considered a feat for the President of Blizzard. Doing the Argus patch in Legion was quite the challenge. Mists of Pandaria was the most misunderstood expansion. They've been experimenting for 15 years with content schedule for the game and figured out that the two-year expansion cycle with 3 major patches is the right thing. They were thinking about making Argus an entire expansion, but ended up not doing so.
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