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Guest Cutsin

With the allied races in mind, how would you rank the rogue in all specializations including Subtlety?

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On 11/8/2020 at 2:35 AM, Guest Cutsin said:

With the allied races in mind, how would you rank the rogue in all specializations including Subtlety?

Hi! Even with Allied Races in mind, the races are the same on both sides. Human is best defensive alliance race because of Will to Survive and the extra Versatility. Night Elf is great for Shadowmeld, which provides a second "vanish". On Horde side, the only real option is to play Orc. The stun reduction from Hardiness is amazing for every situation

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Guest Anique

I have a question to your recommended opener. How is it possible to use Cheap Shot on 2 enemies without the talent subterfuge? In the skill tree you recomment Nightstalker.

Merci :)

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4 hours ago, Guest Anique said:

I have a question to your recommended opener. How is it possible to use Cheap Shot on 2 enemies without the talent subterfuge? In the skill tree you recomment Nightstalker.

Merci ?

Hi! Updated it to show that you can only cheap shot on person without subterfuge. However, if you are bursting and have Shadow Dance up, you can cheap shot multiple people for more control and to generate Combo Points

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Guest mike
  1. Use one charge Concentrated Flame Icon Concentrated Flame on yourself if you are using the Major Essence.
  2. Enter Stealth Icon Stealth.
  3. Sap Icon Sap the enemy healer.
  4. Use Cheap Shot Icon Cheap Shot on your main target.
  5. Use Symbols of Death Icon Symbols of Death.
  6. Use Shadowstrike Icon Shadowstrike.
  7. Use Rupture Icon Rupture.

How can you cheapshot (leave stealth) and then Shadowstrike? (requires stealth)

 

Also - would it make sense to bind shadow blade, symbols, cold blooded and S dance?

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On 11/28/2020 at 9:50 PM, Guest mike said:
  1. Use one charge Concentrated Flame Icon Concentrated Flame on yourself if you are using the Major Essence.
  2. Enter Stealth Icon Stealth.
  3. Sap Icon Sap the enemy healer.
  4. Use Cheap Shot Icon Cheap Shot on your main target.
  5. Use Symbols of Death Icon Symbols of Death.
  6. Use Shadowstrike Icon Shadowstrike.
  7. Use Rupture Icon Rupture.

How can you cheapshot (leave stealth) and then Shadowstrike? (requires stealth)

 

Also - would it make sense to bind shadow blade, symbols, cold blooded and S dance?

Hi! The guide should now be updated for shadowlands. You will use a Shadow Dance after Cheap Shot to continue using abilities from stealth. It might be an okay idea to macro those abilities together, but also keep a separate bind for them in case you need one and not the other!

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hey guys! First off... just wanna say... you have an amazing website! Keep up the great work.

As for my problem... as per last message that I quoted... there was a step that was missing in the "Simple Rotation Opener" which was added "Shadow Dance" By introducing this ability early on, it throws off the Burst Damage section off by about 20 seconds (give or take) after step 4 which is Shiv as Shadow Dance is introduced again. How do I fix this so that I can incorporate the simple opener with the burst damage?

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On 11/30/2020 at 6:33 PM, RogueStryder said:

hey guys! First off... just wanna say... you have an amazing website! Keep up the great work.

As for my problem... as per last message that I quoted... there was a step that was missing in the "Simple Rotation Opener" which was added "Shadow Dance" By introducing this ability early on, it throws off the Burst Damage section off by about 20 seconds (give or take) after step 4 which is Shiv as Shadow Dance is introduced again. How do I fix this so that I can incorporate the simple opener with the burst damage?

Hi! The strength of Subtlety Rogue is that you do not need to rely on many cooldown to get a kill, all you need is Shadow Dance. Every stun DR, you are able to chain stun a target and try to kill your target. The opener that is here is pretty much one of the strongest openers you can have against someone that also maximizes your damage on them. After you do the opener, you have to wait until your target is off stun DR so that you can pretty much do it again. Using Shadowblades is optional in the opener, but it might get your targets trinket. Smoke bomb is amazing for when someone does eventually trinket and you can use that shiv to slow, then stun your target. You can skip the Shiv and immediately Shadow Dance, cold Blood, Symbols and Cheap Shot your target so they don't leave the smoke Bomb. I hope this help!

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Thanks for the guide, but in the stat priority, you mention

  1. Agility;
  2. Versatility;
  3. Mastery;

And right after: "Mastery is the strongest secondary stat at all times". Which one is it then?

 

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Guest Rick

Can we get an upgrade here since the big nerf?

 

Thinking that Subterfuge now > NightStalker and perhaps opener is

- cheapshot

- Shadow strike

-Shadow strike

-Kidney

Shadow dance, etc. 

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15 hours ago, Exci said:

Thanks for the guide, but in the stat priority, you mention

  1. Agility;
  2. Versatility;
  3. Mastery;

And right after: "Mastery is the strongest secondary stat at all times". Which one is it then?

 

Hi! Thank you and that has been updated! Versatility is the most important stat, followed by Mastery

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Guest Helper 101

Please fix the page https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/subtlety-rogue-pvp-best-covenants-soulbinds-conduits-and-legendary-powers
Stating that Deeper Daggers boosts Shadow Strike's damage is incorrect. Shadow Strike is NOT shadow damage, it is physical, it says in the tooltip, making deeper daggers ONLY help with Eviscerate and Black Powder bonus damage when Find Weakness is on the target.

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On 12/28/2020 at 8:48 AM, Guest Helper 101 said:

Please fix the page https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/subtlety-rogue-pvp-best-covenants-soulbinds-conduits-and-legendary-powers
Stating that Deeper Daggers boosts Shadow Strike's damage is incorrect. Shadow Strike is NOT shadow damage, it is physical, it says in the tooltip, making deeper daggers ONLY help with Eviscerate and Black Powder bonus damage when Find Weakness is on the target.

Good catch! It isn't supposed to be Shadow Strike, it's suppose to be Eviscerate. Thank you for that

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Guest Zhardom

Hey,

first, thank you for the guide.

My question is, why literally nobody uses the Akaari's Soul Fragment, but goes for (mostly) Mark of the Master Assassin as legendary (according to arsenal on best arena rogues EU?)

Thank you in advance

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Guest Novahcane

With all due respect, i’m a bit perplexed as to how Akkari Soul Fragment is ranking higher than Master Assassin Legendary? I truly believe Master Assassin is just objectively better. 

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On 1/8/2021 at 1:42 AM, Guest Zhardom said:

Hey,

first, thank you for the guide.

My question is, why literally nobody uses the Akaari's Soul Fragment, but goes for (mostly) Mark of the Master Assassin as legendary (according to arsenal on best arena rogues EU?)

Thank you in advance

Hi!! I have updated the tier list, Invigorating Shadowdust and Mark of the Master Assassin are definitely the two legendaries you want to have!

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21 hours ago, Guest Novahcane said:

With all due respect, i’m a bit perplexed as to how Akkari Soul Fragment is ranking higher than Master Assassin Legendary? I truly believe Master Assassin is just objectively better. 

Hi!! It definitely is and I have updated the tier list, Invigorating Shadowdust and Mark of the Master Assassin are definitely the two legendaries you want to have!

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On 1/21/2021 at 9:00 PM, MacManouss said:

Hi everyone,
Do you think is it ok to play arena as sub venthyr ? Or this choice is really bad and I need to play as a Nightfae since Kyrian has been nerfed ?
Thanks for all stuff !

Hi! Unfortunately, Venthyr is one of the weaker covenants for Sub Rogues :(. Kyrian gives you great burst damage and night Fae is strong to help you restealths + the extra mobility is perfect for kiting away from enemies when they are focusing you.

With that said, Venthyr still gives you extra mobility with Door of Shadows. Flagellation is just too long of a cooldown and doesn't do enough damage to make it useful for PvP. I hope this helps!!

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