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Yo akraen :D maybe you have seen my name pop around every now and then so I'm here to take advantage of you :3 Recently picked up frost with your tips and some of my own findings. Can you analyze this log for me? I play with 110 ms ish constantly. 

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-o4k9el7z2q60o7ul/sum/damageDone/?s=656&e=957#Frostyspeed

 

Love that spreadsheet ^^ want to know what my dps downfall is. Thanks ^^

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Cool, someone with a high item level. And you're highly skilled, too!

 

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Don't worry about some of the DPS losses, I don't account for RNG. The analysis works based off finding expected averages and then how well you do compared to them. I break everything down to "What can I do during a GCD?"

 

I also don't take into account movement, because Blazing Speed and blink should prevent the need to do much ice lance spamming.

 

Also as a note to everyone so far who has received an analysis, not one of you uses cone of cold while moving. Cone of Cold does more damage than a non-FoF ice lance! Use it when moving!

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Cool, someone with a high item level. And you're highly skilled, too!

 

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Don't worry about some of the DPS losses, I don't account for RNG. The analysis works based off finding expected averages and then how well you do compared to them. I break everything down to "What can I do during a GCD?"

 

I also don't take into account movement, because Blazing Speed and blink should prevent the need to do much ice lance spamming.

 

Also as a note to everyone so far who has received an analysis, not one of you uses cone of cold while moving. Cone of Cold does more damage than a non-FoF ice lance! Use it when moving!

 Ah sick, thanks for the analysis. Im a bit more confident now about myself :p Out of curiosity though, how come i had DPS Loss on the Living Bomb section yet i had the target uptime? 

Also, i know for a fact that i didn't cast 27 ice lances, i don't use ice lance while moving, i take ice floes. Does your analysis take into account cleave version of ice lance on adds? Or perhaps multi strike ice lance? as i have HC KTT.

Sorry to ask for more but could you also do an analysis of http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-g9d69ftyng8ijf8k/sum/damageDone/?s=13&e=243#%C3'>

Thanks

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Even though target is 97% I still calculate from 100% because technically that is achievable.

 

As far as ice lances go, I honestly don't know. This is a WoL problem I think. Everyone who uses WoL is coming out using more ice lances than I think they actually use. Your parse solidifies it because I know you know not to just spam ice lance lol.

 

So yeah don't worry about it too much, I'm sure WoL is screwing up your icy veins triple hits, even though I do divide it by 3.

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Even though target is 97% I still calculate from 100% because technically that is achievable.

 

As far as ice lances go, I honestly don't know. This is a WoL problem I think. Everyone who uses WoL is coming out using more ice lances than I think they actually use. Your parse solidifies it because I know you know not to just spam ice lance lol.

 

So yeah don't worry about it too much, I'm sure WoL is screwing up your icy veins triple hits, even though I do divide it by 3.

 Ok so i worked it out, it is due to ice lance for sure. There are 2 ice lances, one of them has 62 crits, the other with 30. The one with 30 is Icy Veins Ice Lance, which is 10 casts, which is believable. And that coincides with what you said about 72 ice lance casts. http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-o4k9el7z2q60o7ul/details/42/?s=656&e=957 If you look here, there are 23 ice lances hitting the Living Corruption add. The other mage had (38+7) ice lances and 30 ice lance procs. Meaning he would've also cast a few cleaves. So theres a substantial amount of cleaving going on.

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I was going to ask that. One thing I did notice was on my world of logs report, it showed me at getting 27 Fingers of frost buffs, and on one of the notes of one of the Ice lances, I got 27 Critical hits. Of course this not counting the others. I was going to ask if icy veins would affect this in any way or from cleaving, but I wasn't sure. I might throw some extra ice lances here and there but I definitely don't feel its that much.

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Oooh right you were on Heroic. I'm an idiot. I don't get many heroic analysis requests.

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Also as a note to everyone so far who has received an analysis, not one of you uses cone of cold while moving. Cone of Cold does more damage than a non-FoF ice lance! Use it when moving!

 

Thanks for the analysis. That was an eye-opener!

 

As for CoC, not sure how your guild does it, but the ranged are usually not in range to use CoC for Malkorok. Also, sometimes I get a little trigger happy consuming FoF procs, so that would account for some of the extra ILs

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Thanks for the analysis. That was an eye-opener!

 

As for CoC, not sure how your guild does it, but the ranged are usually not in range to use CoC for Malkorok. Also, sometimes I get a little trigger happy consuming FoF procs, so that would account for some of the extra ILs

You are -usually- not in melee range, but this doesn't mean you -can't- be ;) :D

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Akraen, do you think it's possible to add some more informations about IE and mage bombs regarding buff clipping?

 

I mean, it should be pretty easy to achieve 100% uptime on bomb and IE if you just cast evocation every 30s or so and refresh LB every 6s ... However it's also a big dps loss to do so.

 

I would suggest that you add the lost time of IE buff (time left on buff before reset) and also the lost time or the number of lost tick on LB with early refresh.

 

However, i'm not sure it's possible to implement such a change.

 

Btw, i guess i'll raid tonight on malkorok so i'll be able to post a log of my crappy normal mode mage tongue.png

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Idk about Akraen, but personally, i find i do highest results when i do Invoker's Energy after it runs out, sometimes i do clip it before though, depends on the situation (especially at high haste levels, you tend to run out of mana with bad RNG, and are forced to do it like 8s earlier). Safe bet though is just wait till it runs out, then immediately refresh it, no matter what.

 

In terms of Living Bomb, my general rule of thumb is that i only refresh it when its under 2.4s duration. Sometimes i like to refresh the bomb earlier, which is like when i have a haste proc up, resulting in an extra ticks, meaning a higher chance to proc BF, also if i have substantial dps increase procs to increase the power of my bomb relative to the last one, if that makes sense.

However, i do like to let my bomb fall off in some situations, like if i have a frozen orb up, and i have 2 ice lance procs, i always prioritize using the ice lance procs until i don't have 2 stacks of FoF anymore, resulting in 0 wastage of FoF procs. Thats just my weigh in at least smile.png 
I'd be interested to see how Akraen does it ^^

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I did not write the second part of your post biggrin.png

 

I'm also trying to refresh my LB when there is about 2s on the timer such that i get an new extended LB duration... Except on the pull when all the procs are up and the first one is about to fall off, i tend to refresh my LB to snapshot all the buff. However i'm not trying to snapshot during combat, I should try affdots but i'v read there is some LUA error in the last build?

 

Ok my proposition about LB might be not as clever as it appears when i woke up this morning. I basically forget about dots snapshotting which would increase the lost time of LB... might still be intersting to know though .. and it's still intersting for IE ^^

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Idk about Akraen, but personally, i find i do highest results when i do Invoker's Energy after it runs out, sometimes i do clip it before though, depends on the situation (especially at high haste levels, you tend to run out of mana with bad RNG, and are forced to do it like 8s earlier). Safe bet though is just wait till it runs out, then immediately refresh it, no matter what.

If your mana runs out before invocation fades, use mana gem for the win and keep blasting!

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I love it, marshmallow alarm!

Can anyone figure out how to make Weak Auras toast marshmallows in one corner of the screen, or perhaps a picture of the Stay Puff Marshmallow Man to appear, with crackling fire sound as the alarm?

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Thank you for all of the astounding help which you've given to so many of us, both on the MMO Champion forums and here on Icy Veins. I'm still a rank amateur, comparitively speaking, but I have improved so very much because of you and the other great contributors!

 

Cheers and Best Wishes

 

http://worldoflogs.com/reports/nzkld4mvjnx6tx5z/details/8/?s=6774&e=7005

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Akraen, do you think it's possible to add some more informations about IE and mage bombs regarding buff clipping?

 

I mean, it should be pretty easy to achieve 100% uptime on bomb and IE if you just cast evocation every 30s or so and refresh LB every 6s ... However it's also a big dps loss to do so.

 

I would suggest that you add the lost time of IE buff (time left on buff before reset) and also the lost time or the number of lost tick on LB with early refresh.

 

However, i'm not sure it's possible to implement such a change.

 

Btw, i guess i'll raid tonight on malkorok so i'll be able to post a log of my crappy normal mode mage tongue.png

The uptime isn't the whole analysis. That's why the damage totals are there, too. It's impractical to analyze the refresh rate of LB because ideally you should be snapshotting. So if I saw every LB refresh at 0.1 sec, I'd say you're unskilled. Similarly if I saw everyone refresh at 7 sec I'd also say you're unskilled. Ideally it would be all over the place and it would take me hours to separate it all out. As for IE goes, use Firefox instead (harhar). Anyway again, if you're just in an evocation the entire fight your DPS will be incredibly low, so that will show as well.

 

This has been very positive so far though and I'm looking at revising the analysis and putting it into a website, where all you have to do is submit your warcraftlogs parse, click submit, and you get a complete breakdown which you can do on your own. I don't know how quickly that can get done, though so hang tight.

 

I'm trying to figure out why WoL reports ice lances weirdly for normal mode. I'll catch up with everyone else's charts here in an hour or so.

 

Keep the requests comin'! Today and tomorrow I have loads of time in my mostly empty office :)

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If your mana runs out before invocation fades, use mana gem for the win and keep blasting!

 

Yeah you're right :P Honestly though i never really do mana gems because i tend to forget xD But you are correct :) min maxing wise i guess i should do that indeed. Thank you for reminding me :)

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@Hellvin:

 

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ah crap I forgot to update your ilvl. I don't want to re-upload, so all that does is impact the calculation of what ilvl you would need to be if you maintain the same skill/habits/rng.

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