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Blizzard Removes Insult from the Dialogue Between Garrosh and Sylvanas

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Blizzard recently removed the word b**** and the associated sound file from the dialogue between Garrosh Hellscream and Sylvanas Windrunner.

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Lead Narrative Designer Steve Danuser said Garrosh's point of view comes across just fine even after the edit, so the word will not be returning back.

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For those of you who haven't played in Cataclysm, here's the original version without the edit.

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Oh noes, how daŕe a character that is known for his fiery temper express his disdain for necromantic practice after a bloody war with undead hordes with semi-harsh language! SHAME!

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4 minutes ago, Teufel said:

Oh noes, how daŕe a character that is known for his fiery temper express his disdain for necromantic practice after a bloody war with undead hordes with semi-harsh language! SHAME!

The line always came off as rather crude to me, which for all his aggression, Garrosh was not crude. 

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I’m very glad to see Blizzard addressing the details like this where unacceptable language (in this case, a misogynist term) was being used.

19 minutes ago, kokodesuka said:

The joke this company has become. On top of everything else bad in game they managed to find some other things to ruin.

Signs that it is time for me to go.

Responsible this company has become. In the context of an oppressive culture, they managed to find another thing to do better.

Sign that it is time for me to stay.

 

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4 minutes ago, Trest said:

I’m very glad to see Blizzard addressing the details like this where unacceptable language (in this case, a misogynist term) was being used.

Responsible this company has become. In the context of an oppressive culture, they managed to find another thing to do better.

Sign that it is time for me to stay.

 

"oppressive culture"

Goddamn, I had no idea we lived in the Middle East XD

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Isn't Steve Danuser the guy that turned Nathanos into his self-insert so he can simp for Sylvanas?

Imagine being that desperate for Undead coochie

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I wonder, do they plan to remove what she did to Teldrassil? cause i am thinking burning Innocent civilians to death is ALOT worse than calling her a *filtered*.

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6 minutes ago, Lithari said:

I wonder, do they plan to remove what she did to Teldrassil? cause i am thinking burning Innocent civilians to death is ALOT worse than calling her a *filtered*.

no no no, my friend

>committing genocide

A-ok

>being called a naughty word

horrible XD

The hypocrisy of modern times

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I mean, Garrosh is a fictional character who is heavy into racism (species-ism?) and extremely opinionated.     Are writers no longer allowed to write offensive characters even as villains?   It's a minor thing but at the same time it shows an extreme level of censorship that they're willing to take.

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1 hour ago, Dejo93 said:

Isn't Steve Danuser the guy that turned Nathanos into his self-insert so he can simp for Sylvanas?

Ayup. At first I wondered if removing the word had something to do with a ESRB rating of the game, and the limited amount of swear words a 12+ game could contain. If they were adding more in Shadowlands, they may have felt the need to scale back elsewhere... Nope! It's just this guy backwriting and retconning things so no one says mean words about his waifu. It's not even some lefty PR move. It's literally simping.

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1 hour ago, Dejo93 said:

no no no, my friend

>committing genocide

A-ok

>being called a naughty word

horrible XD

The hypocrisy of modern times

The former is a story device, the latter isn't xD

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2 hours ago, kokodesuka said:

The joke this company has become. On top of everything else bad in game they managed to find some other things to ruin.

 

Signs that it is time for me to go.

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3 hours ago, Trest said:

I’m very glad to see Blizzard addressing the details like this where unacceptable language (in this case, a misogynist term) was being used.

Responsible this company has become. In the context of an oppressive culture, they managed to find another thing to do better.

Sign that it is time for me to stay.

 

Imagine being this cringe.

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It's weird how character who hated non-orc species isn't allowed to say word "*filtered*". As if saying "bad" word is a bigger issue here.

Edit: Oh, it's even filtered here. ?

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8 hours ago, Trest said:

Responsible this company has become. In the context of an oppressive culture, they managed to find another thing to do better.

Sign that it is time for me to stay.

 

Where did you get this context from? This is a game, not the country you're from or the whiteboard for expressing political opinions. This is fiction.

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IIRC WoW is rated T for teen, so if the parent is letting their child play the game, that's on them, not the game.

Sad they're doing this to Garrosh, he can't catch a break even in death.

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Imagine this being a real issue for you to stomach... honestly, if you aren't happy that it's gone, why do you feel anything at all?

The word was GLARINGLY out of place, even in context. In no other line of dialogue is the word ever used. I didn't even assume they used all the same swear words in Azeroth as we do, nor do I remember any other character saying anything like this. I'm not sure I even hear characters use curse words outside of the extremely-thematically-appropriate use of "damn." 

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19 hours ago, Arcling said:

It's weird how character who hated non-orc species isn't allowed to say word "*filtered*". As if saying "bad" word is a bigger issue here.

Edit: Oh, it's even filtered here. ?

Racism and hatred as the primary device behind generations of factional violence is a realistic plot device used in many stories throughout time. World of Warcraft has done a decent job (given the platform) showcasing the pain, devastation, and horror found in the aftermath. We've now had two expansions that address the brutality and futility of this violence head-on.

This is, of course, not very comparable to callously inserting a vulgar curse word for shock effect, which at-best could be described as unnecessary, and at-worst overtly distasteful.

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50 minutes ago, durdyenglish said:

Racism and hatred as the primary device behind generations of factional violence is a realistic plot device used in many stories throughout time. World of Warcraft has done a decent job (given the platform) showcasing the pain, devastation, and horror found in the aftermath. We've now had two expansions that address the brutality and futility of this violence head-on.

This is, of course, not very comparable to callously inserting a vulgar curse word for shock effect, which at-best could be described as unnecessary, and at-worst overtly distasteful.

 

Okay... what? Are you roleplaying Steven Danuser's alt account?

Since you seem to be (and correct me if I'm wrong of course) using lore as a defense of this bizarre snap-reaction censoring, let me pivot this to you:

Garrosh spent, theoretically, years in the cold North, battling against death and Undeath left and right. Finally, after this war, he sees in the Horde's own backyard in the Eastern Kingdoms, Sylvanas doing no different than Arthas. So maybe it would have been more apropos for Garrosh's demeanor to simply bury Gorehowl into Sylvanas then and there, but they wanted a slow burn. So instead they wrote language that would encapsulate the raw rage of an already hot-headed orc warchief. Does that word get thrown around often? No. That's the point - that's the evidence of his loss of composure.

 

It's not about people "not being able to stomach the change," it's about retconning a justifiable dialogue to appease the guilt of a parent for an "oopsie-parent-moment."

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On 8/28/2020 at 8:59 AM, durdyenglish said:

The line always came off as rather crude to me, which for all his aggression, Garrosh was not crude. 

hmmm...throws someone off a cliff, but is not crude....seems legit.

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