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I am confused about whether we hold Fingers of FrostFingers of Frost procs for Winter's ChillWinter's Chill in single target?  The proc management section says to use Fingers of FrostFingers of Frost procs as they come, but the rotation section says to cast Ice LanceIce Lance when there are charges of Winter's ChillWinter's Chill on the target, and does not list Ice LanceIce Lance anywhere else in the priority list.

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6 hours ago, Guest Randron said:

Fire Blast did not make it into the rotation?

Fire Blast is not cast in rotation. It can be used as a dead last priority while moving (after proc usage, Ice Floes/Shimmer/Blink), but the gain is incredibly minor.

 

4 hours ago, Guest Former Hunter Main said:

I am confused about whether we hold Fingers of FrostFingers of Frost procs for Winter's ChillWinter's Chill in single target?  The proc management section says to use Fingers of FrostFingers of Frost procs as they come, but the rotation section says to cast Ice LanceIce Lance when there are charges of Winter's ChillWinter's Chill on the target, and does not list Ice LanceIce Lance anywhere else in the priority list.

Good catch, my bad. Editing from no-IL and missed re-adding that. Fingers of Frost should be cast before Flurry ideally, as Winter's Chill acts as frozen and casting Fingers of Frost into it is an overall loss.

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Guest sock

Blizzard only on 5 targets? Really?  I find that hard to believe considering how high damage it is.

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Guest noob mage

Im confused. Focus magic says nothing regarding the intellect buff.

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On 10/15/2020 at 1:44 PM, Guest sock said:

Blizzard only on 5 targets? Really?  I find that hard to believe considering how high damage it is.

Mm, right. Getting rid of those toggles killed that cleave note. I'll get that fixed, thanks. It is on 2+ targets, for what it's worth.

 

42 minutes ago, Guest noob mage said:

Im confused. Focus magic says nothing regarding the intellect buff.

The talent's tooltip was never updated after they added that effect to it. Just like Frozen Orb's tooltip says 160 damage regardless of gear. It's just another inaccurate tooltip bug.

Blizzard Logohttps://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/feedback-mage-class-changes/490704/47

  • Focus Magic now also grants the caster 1% Intellect, stacking up to 8 times when their Focus Magic target critically strikes.

Here's the relevant note.

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Guest Azymyth

I had a question about the recommended gems and enchants for frost.  This guide recommends mastery for both gems and enchants. However in the stat weights section, it lists mastery as the second lowest stat (just above crit past the shatter cap).  Why would I want to use mastery gems and enchants if it is one of our lowest stats?

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7 hours ago, Guest Azymyth said:

I had a question about the recommended gems and enchants for frost.  This guide recommends mastery for both gems and enchants. However in the stat weights section, it lists mastery as the second lowest stat (just above crit past the shatter cap).  Why would I want to use mastery gems and enchants if it is one of our lowest stats?

That... Huh. I know I updated that. I wonder if it got lost when I split it for pre-patch. Sorry about that, I'll get that fixed.

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The Essence "Vision of Perfection" as a major will no longer trigger Rune of Power when procced to activate Icy veins, Bizzard changed the essence on October 20th.
 

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22 hours ago, Drvn said:

The Essence "Vision of Perfection" as a major will no longer trigger Rune of Power when procced to activate Icy veins, Bizzard changed the essence on October 20th.
 

True. Didn't change that it's still strongest, but I'll remove that note.

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Guest Momo

We should ignore Brain Freeze procs in AoE rotation? Is that accurate?

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7 hours ago, Guest Momo said:

We should ignore Brain Freeze procs in AoE rotation? Is that accurate?

At 5+, supposedly. There hasn't been a lot of AoE optimization as of yet, though. Also consider that most focus of sim development is on expansion launch itself, and how things interact at max level.

I'll admit, pre-patch is a bit of a guessing game due to the lack of interest in optimizing for what should have been 2-3 weeks. Re-optimizing an APL for such a short duration wasn't high on anyone's priority. It's quite likely that BF procs being left out is just an oversight in a world where AoE functionally boils down to "spam Lance while Orb's active otherwise keep Blizzard on cooldown and hit AE."

That said, I'll toy with it and see if there's any gain to be had.

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Guest S.R.

If I gain a stack of Frost Fingers or Brain Freeze while casting Frost Bolt, should I stop casting FB and use the FF or BF proc or finish the FB?

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On 11/6/2020 at 11:26 AM, Guest S.R. said:

If I gain a stack of Frost Fingers or Brain Freeze while casting Frost Bolt, should I stop casting FB and use the FF or BF proc or finish the FB?

Finish the Frostbolt. FoF has a second stack for this reason, and BF has anti-munch mechanics in which if you fire Flurry immediately after the Frostbolt, the next BF proc will be granted 250ms after the cast end.

If both procced, it's questionable which to use first, and changes with certain gear setups. I believe last check was actually Flurry first, and munch the Fingers of Frost, due to Brain Freeze's anti-munching delay and 30% proc chance. Practical difference is pretty small, however.

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Guest Nihila

With the nerf to some of the Frost talents suggested in the build, would it make sense to go into Bone Chilling, Ebonbolt and Glacial Spike?

Although it's benefits could only be reaped once per AOE pull, since you need to cast Frostbolt to generate Glacial Spike, it seems like a good burst AOE in tyranical, non-bolstering, affixes.

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10 hours ago, Guest Nihila said:

With the nerf to some of the Frost talents suggested in the build, would it make sense to go into Bone Chilling, Ebonbolt and Glacial Spike?

Although it's benefits could only be reaped once per AOE pull, since you need to cast Frostbolt to generate Glacial Spike, it seems like a good burst AOE in tyranical, non-bolstering, affixes.

GS is still ridiculously far behind on single target, and that's even with my own gear having a Flash Freeze still.

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Guest Fusion

The talent page direct me to the M+ page for M+ talents and there it directs me back to the talents page xD

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10 hours ago, Guest Fusion said:

The talent page direct me to the M+ page for M+ talents and there it directs me back to the talents page xD

Looks like that got added by an admin at some point, since I didn't have it due to that exact reason. I'll re-remove it as I gear this up for launch. Looks like they typoed "Mythic" too, on the talent side.

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Flurry Icon Flurry if you have Brain Freeze Icon Brain Freeze and you have just cast Frostbolt Icon Frostbolt.


If I get both procs at the same time or close after another (which is more likely with Mirrors of Torment) and I use that Fingers procc with an Icelance, do I still precast a Frostbolt if that Brain Freeze proc is already up?

I get that I just ignore the Fingers if both proc on the same frostbolt and i don't do it inside the 3 Mirrors of Torment proc to get all of them in time, but what about the last one when there is no automatic follow up Brain Freeze?

Normally I'd use the Brainz Freeze directly after that Icelance, or is it better to cast frostbolt to create an Icicle for that Flurry?

e.G Event could be

Frostbolt -> (Finger Procc) -> IceLance -> (Brain Freeze Procc through MoT) -> ???

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Guest Just a guy

A suggestion: make the covenant choice a radio button instead of checkbox, makes more sense in this case ;) 

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On 11/27/2020 at 7:20 AM, Juce said:


If I get both procs at the same time or close after another (which is more likely with Mirrors of Torment) and I use that Fingers procc with an Icelance, do I still precast a Frostbolt if that Brain Freeze proc is already up?

I get that I just ignore the Fingers if both proc on the same frostbolt and i don't do it inside the 3 Mirrors of Torment proc to get all of them in time, but what about the last one when there is no automatic follow up Brain Freeze?

Normally I'd use the Brainz Freeze directly after that Icelance, or is it better to cast frostbolt to create an Icicle for that Flurry?

e.G Event could be

Frostbolt -> (Finger Procc) -> IceLance -> (Brain Freeze Procc through MoT) -> ???

MoT itself you ignore the preceding Frostbolt and just Flurry>Lance>Lance, as it says under MoT in the rotation section. MoT's just too many BF procs too quickly to do the full combo, especially with a 30% chance to munch BF.

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Cast Mirrors of Torment IconMirrors of Torment.

  • You should ignore the pre-cast Frostbolt IconFrostbolt for these Brain Freeze IconBrain Freeze procs, and just Flurry IconFlurry > double Ice Lance IconIce Lance. You will not have enough time before the next proc if you do not ignore the Frostbolt.

 

As for normally generated procs, you're looking more at a scenario like:

Frostbolt (procs BF) > queued Frostbolt due to reaction speed, acknowledge you're going to Flurry next GCD (procs FoF) > Flurry > Ice Lance (munched FoF) > Ice Lance.

If say, Orb procs a FoF while you're still casting Frostbolt with BF active, and you have time to acknowledge it, you're still going to cast Flurry. Flurry is worth a lot more per-proc due to it being a shatter Frostbolt, Flurry's damage itself, and 2 Lances. It also has a 30% proc chance off Frostbolt, so casting Frostbolt and not casting Flurry immediately afterwards is a very likely chance to munch the proc, and be a bigger loss than losing the FoF you tried to salvage.

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