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Guest Deagroth

Seeing as Roll the Bones now has a 30 duration along with a 45 second cooldown, you will need to pull off at least 15 combo points worth of finishers for Restless Blades to allow you to roll again as soon as the buffs wear off.  It seems that the days of fishing for good RtB combinations are over.

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22 hours ago, Guest Deagroth said:

Seeing as Roll the Bones now has a 30 duration along with a 45 second cooldown, you will need to pull off at least 15 combo points worth of finishers for Restless Blades to allow you to roll again as soon as the buffs wear off.  It seems that the days of fishing for good RtB combinations are over.

It's not as bad as it seems at first glance, getting 15 CP even without Broadsides up doesn't actually take that long, and the RtB buffs still pandemic so its closer to being a 40 second duration if you re-rolled. It certainly skewed the re-roll priorities quite a bit however, and while previously we used to fish for specific buffs, we instead just avoid certain buffs (Buried Treasure/Grand Melee) like the plague.

If you're interested in a bit of data on the new Roll the Bones, you can check out the results of every buff combination and how much you lose/gain if you keep the buff until expiration instead of re-rolling once RtB comes off cooldown. GM and BT are in a really bad state at the moment, so hopefully there will be some additional changes before we go into Shadowlands.
 

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As you can see on the right side (ignore the Covenant choice there, it doesn't matter for the purpose of the data ^^), even a 2-buff of Grand Melee+Buried Treasure is simply not worth keeping, while keeping pretty much any other buff is worth more than rolling over it once RtB comes back off cooldown. I personally don't mind not having to re-roll quite as much myself, but for someone who enjoyed the old way of fishing for buffs this change is definitely not that enjoyable. 

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On 10/18/2020 at 9:27 PM, RenegadeChewtoy said:

when can we get a updated guide from SL? last update was Jan.

 

Hey RenegadeChewtoy. 

The guide is up-to-date for the current pre-patch 9.0.1 which includes a variety of changes that were initially teased as changes coming with Shadowlands. While there are a few new things that you will gain access to once Shadowland releases and you can level up to level 60, those will be added to the guide when Shadowlands is closer to its actual release. 

As of right now all the information in the guide pertains to the current version that is deployed on live-servers. 

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Guest sock

Why would you not use Quick Draw w/ opportunity at 4 CP when you have Deeper Strategem?

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Hey sock,

the most recent sim results favor a build that doesn't run Quickdraw due to how bad Ace and Deadshot have become as azerite traits. The current go-to azerite build is just Heart of Darkness, Brigands Blitz and maybe 1 Wits for any encounter that includes adds, and without any traits that boost Pistol Shot damage, Quickdraw and Opportunity procs have lost importance in the process, to the point where Ghostly Strike has become much better on single-target and you would rather sit on procs as long as you haven't run out of energy to cast Sinister Strike. 

If you're referring to this part however, you are correct:

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10. Cast Pistol Shot if you have an Opportunity proc, you have 3 or less Combo Points and you cannot use Sinister Strike. If you have Quick Draw talented, use Opportunity procs whenever you have 3 or less Combo Points.

The rotational priorities generally try to include as few talented suggestions as possible. For rogue this generally means that all CP-thresholds are based on only having 5 maximum Combo Points, not 6. We will add a provision for DS to avoid confusion.
So in the case of running Deeper+Quick Draw, you would use the Opportunity proc at 4 or less, not 3 or less, as you pointed out. That still applies even when you have Broadside as your RtB buff. 

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Guest Arcerite

Hey was wondering why the guide said that the best outlaw rogue leggo is showing as a monk talent for roll? dont know if this is if they have the same names or its just wrong i was just confused when i saw it

 

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Hey Arcerite, this is indeed just an error in the tooltip as both abilities have the same name. It should be fixed shortly.

Celerity Celerity is the legendary power that is best for Outlaw.

Regards,

Seliathan

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Guest DJTS

The rotation guide doesn't list finishing moves unless "deeper stratagem" is ticked.

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Hey DJTS. You will want to play either Deeper Stratagem or Marked for Death in that talent tier. Ticking either box will show the correct rotational gameplay, including finishers, for either talent choice.

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Idk if this is the right place to do it but in the legendary tab you are linking "Master Assassin" as in the assassination rogue talent, when i think you meant to link the legendary "Mark of the master assassin"

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