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Covenants Per Spec in Castle Nathria and Mythic+ for Top Players

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Here's a new resource for your stats needs, as we're taking a look at which Covenants each spec chooses in Castle Nathria and Mythic+, separately! Some of the most interesting stats we've run across here are 100% Night Fae representation for Fire and Balance, a huge discrepancy in raid and Mythic+ Paladin Covenant choice, and a much more diverse Covenant representation for tanks and healers compared to DPS.

The stats are taken from Subcreation and take a look at each role and spec for top players/results, showing the percentages for each Covenant within that. The data itself is from Raider.IO (for M+) and Warcraft Logs (for Nathria) and the stats are based on 120279 top Mythic+ logs and 175339 top Castle Nathria parses. For more info on how exactly the numbers were extracted, check out the Subcreation FAQ

We'll start with the DPS, as it's split into ranged and melee, and you can directly compare the Mythic+ and raid numbers as well, which are similar as you'd expect, but there are some solid differences as well. The melee DPS go first, where only raid Guardians are 100% certain of their pick, and the rest of the choices are much more diverse than ranged. Night Fae are much less popular here than for ranged (but still the top pick overall), with only 5 of the 13 specs having it as the most chosen Covenant, and by much smaller margins than ranged as well.

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Data by Subcreation.

For ranged, Night Fae are extremely dominant, with only Elemental and Frost Mage resisting and going with Necro and Venthyr as a majortiy, respectively. Fire and Balance, the two top specs in general, are extremely set in their NF ways, as they actually have 100% representation. In terms of Mythic+ vs. raid discrepancy, we only find Arcane having much fewer Night Fae players in Nathria, with the rest mostly going to Kyrian and Necro.

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Data by Subcreation.

Then it's on to tanks, where the Kyrian are taking charge. We can see some more significant differences in Mythic+ vs. raid here as well, especially for Paladins, with a very large gap between the Kyrian 87% in M+ and Venthyr 75% in Nathria!

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Data by Subcreation.

And finally, we have a look at the healers. This time around both Paladins and Shamans differ greatly between Mythic+ and the raid, as Holy really likes Venthyr in dungeons while preferring Kyrian in Nathria, and Resto has a lot more Venthyr in Nathria.

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Data by Subcreation.

 

 

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It's OK and I understand why Blizzard wants all druids (and even hunters) to live in the forrest but it's a shame and poor job that about 95% of ALL ranged DPS ended there too.

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8 hours ago, Kopuliak said:

It's OK and I understand why Blizzard wants all druids (and even hunters) to live in the forrest but it's a shame and poor job that about 95% of ALL ranged DPS ended there too.

its a shame that so many people mindlessly follow whats "best" even when they dont run high keys or mythic raid i am in a very causal guild we take everything with fun and no pressure but so many of my guildis are not happy with the looks of there covenant but guid xy told them its best so they had to take it

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1 hour ago, N3ilo said:

its a shame that so many people mindlessly follow whats "best" even when they dont run high keys or mythic raid i am in a very causal guild we take everything with fun and no pressure but so many of my guildis are not happy with the looks of there covenant but guid xy told them its best so they had to take it

Well, if you want to play with Pugs, you better have the "best" covenant for your spec. If you only want to stay in your casual bubble, you can pick whatever you want. As soon as you want to play with other ppl though, you will pretty much be kicked for trolling. I don't think it's sad ppl pick performance over design. I think it's sad Blizzard was told multiple times that this would happen, but they were too stubborn or too stupid to understand that.

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so the "meaningful choice" when playing a range spec is to pick Nightfae. Shamans will switch to Fae too since Fae Transfusion is nuts.

good job, blizzard. *slowclap

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2 hours ago, N3ilo said:

its a shame that so many people mindlessly follow whats "best" even when they dont run high keys or mythic raid i am in a very causal guild we take everything with fun and no pressure but so many of my guildis are not happy with the looks of there covenant but guid xy told them its best so they had to take it

"mindlessly"... ok. so let's get this out of the way first. the covenants were a big failure, plain and simple. the only thing that matters are the soulbinds and the covenant ability.

i understand that casual players (not an insult btw) care more about the looks or mounts. but the only thing that matters as a dps is doing damage. i have more fun playing the game by not hamstringing myself, if that makes sense.

players don't pick stuff "mindlessly" (except maybe venthys hunters, bcs why would you ever do that, honestly?).

blizzard designed the game in a way that the "meaningful choice" for literally every ranged player (that wants to do damage) is to roll night fae.

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But this was forseen during SL Beta and was voiced as a topic for concern amongst the playerbase.  Saying, "It should not matter what you pick." turned out wrong for a lot of classes and players that wished to persue harder content like Heroic/Mythic Raiding and Mythic+.  And it's still frustrating for those that multi specialization between roles of a particular class.

Eg)  I like to Tank and I like to DPS on my DH.  I chose Kyrian for the Kleia's Soulbind for the Phial of Serenity that can dispell certain stat effects like Necrotic if I allow stacks to reach a certain point.  I also like like Elysian Decree and like using it for my rotation in Vengence.  But for Havoc it's basically useful for multi mob pulls and less as much for single target compared to The Hunt or Sin Brand from the Nightfae or Venthyr.

So when I want to go and play as Havoc for Mythic+ and wish to go and Pug I mostly get declined for not being Venthyr for Tyrannical weeks for HoA and SD.

As for "Meaningful Choice" that is suppose be the whole player experience surrounding this expansion I believe Blizzard misenterpet what that actually means in an MMO setting.  The 'Choice' of picking a Covenant and standing by it past aesthetic is an illusion with no confound meaning or purpose that integrates the player into the story telling unlike games like Mass Effect 1,2,3, Star Wars: The Order of Old Republic, Guild Wars 2, Skyrim, and etc.   The only 'consequences' for players that 'choose' to change Covenants is regrinding the Renown and Anima from ground 0 and filling a bar again.

 

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9 hours ago, Manbearpig said:

Well, if you want to play with Pugs, you better have the "best" covenant for your spec. If you only want to stay in your casual bubble, you can pick whatever you want. As soon as you want to play with other ppl though, you will pretty much be kicked for trolling. I don't think it's sad ppl pick performance over design. I think it's sad Blizzard was told multiple times that this would happen, but they were too stubborn or too stupid to understand that.

you are totally right its not sad that ppl pick performance over design if they want to play higher content with other ppl 

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8 hours ago, Zerti said:

"mindlessly"... ok. so let's get this out of the way first. the covenants were a big failure, plain and simple. the only thing that matters are the soulbinds and the covenant ability.

i understand that casual players (not an insult btw) care more about the looks or mounts. but the only thing that matters as a dps is doing damage. i have more fun playing the game by not hamstringing myself, if that makes sense.

players don't pick stuff "mindlessly" (except maybe venthys hunters, bcs why would you ever do that, honestly?).

blizzard designed the game in a way that the "meaningful choice" for literally every ranged player (that wants to do damage) is to roll night fae.

first thing nice to see someone that dont curse me out for taking the game casual that refreshing and second when i say mindlessly i realy mean that i saw multiple ppl just lvling with dungeon groups from the start of the addon never seeing one of the covs then choosing cause the guide told them such und such and later crying caus necro lord or venthyr look so much better then nf and you are right a real shame is that nf is the best for almost every ranged dps in this case blizz could srcap the whole four cov idea

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