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Heyo everyone!

 

Here's my story:

 

I currently am specced Combat. My current latency is ~180ms, and I am starting to get some Carpal Tunnel screwing effect on my hands, due to teh spammy and zomgwtfbbqfrantic nature of Combat - besides losing those CPs and being energy capped (Lust + Adrenaline + random energy regen procs ftw) because my skills don't respond in time.

 

Since I value my health, and I like teh game, I've pondered on switching specs to ease my pain problems and still help my team. Few friends suggested me switching to Mut, but I feel teh spec is teh complete opposite of Combat, being rather the slowest spec @Rogue's possibilities. Then, what is left is Subtlety, which for me seems to be a fair paced spec - more like a monitoring spec with quick, small and fluid burst windows (I also pick Sub because I favor it over Mut - REAL ROGUE SPEC FEELS)

 

Okay, so here's my problem, enlighten me with some knowledge and suggestions:

 

My lovely Armory - Marië

 

I currently have 2 Warforged N weapons 4/4, for Combat (Seismic Bore and Softfoot's Last Resort), and I got a spare Hellscream's Razor, flex iLeveled. I'd like to know if it'd be a good idea to put this Razor on use, exchanging one of my weapons (and switching teh spec), or should I break my bones a little more 'till I put my hands on another dagger (we started running Norushen H past week).

 

Thank you!

(and please bear with my 'teh's - vice of spelling hard to get rid of.)

 

Edit: I don't have logs, I always forget to log. l:

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I'd wait until you get another dagger.  A 556 vs a 567 is a big difference, and you'd see a rather significant DPS drop.

 

Once you get one dagger, though, the swap is easily made!

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Then I'd roll with a N Dagger on MH and Hellscream's Razor on OH?

Oh, did you mean the Razor in the OH?

 

Yes, played well with a N Dagger in your MH, you should be ~5% behind your current setup.  A slow NWF 4/4 1h in the OH might be the better choice, as the difference between an equal level slow/fast OH is at max 7%, which is heavily offset by the higher ilevel.

 

TL;DR, N Dagger in your MH, slow OH with the best stats should be fine.

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I wonder what would be my DPS loss if I used this flex dagger right away together with my Bore. Obviously I'd sport a DPS loss, but how big would it be, given teh accentuated and concentrated single target boost from Sub (I used to raid as Sub before, I got teh priorities, rotations and such - I think) compared to teh frantic single target from Combat.

 

I don't wanna lose DPS permanently ingame and out of it. Lol.

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I wonder what would be my DPS loss if I used this flex dagger right away together with my Bore. Obviously I'd sport a DPS loss, but how big would it be, given teh accentuated and concentrated single target boost from Sub (I used to raid as Sub before, I got teh priorities, rotations and such - I think) compared to teh frantic single target from Combat.

 

I don't wanna lose DPS permanently ingame and out of it. Lol.

If you're really good at Sub, I'd suspect around an 8-10% loss.  But, I really can't be sure.

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Update on the changes:

 

My DPS fell to 170k (from 220~230k, ~23% of DPS loss...), with some errors in teh rotation (SnD downtime and overwrite was rather high), but teh damage on boss made me happy (600k crits on Eviscs). Thing is, Garrosh is a rather lenghty fight full of downtimes and have quite a bunch of AoE parts, so it's hard to measure properly (as said on other topic, Garrosh is Combat territory, gotta compare on a single target fight - Juggernaut or Sha).

 

I forgot completely to get the logging program again. Zzzzzzz

 

I guess once I get a Heroic Dagger, my DPS might come back to teh higher levels.

 

And my hand still alive and punchin'. Lol!

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Update on the changes:

 

My DPS fell to 170k (from 220~230k, ~23% of DPS loss...), with some errors in teh rotation (SnD downtime and overwrite was rather high), but teh damage on boss made me happy (600k crits on Eviscs). Thing is, Garrosh is a rather lenghty fight full of downtimes and have quite a bunch of AoE parts, so it's hard to measure properly (as said on other topic, Garrosh is Combat territory, gotta compare on a single target fight - Juggernaut or Sha).

 

I forgot completely to get the logging program again. Zzzzzzz

 

I guess once I get a Heroic Dagger, my DPS might come back to teh higher levels.

 

And my hand still alive and punchin'. Lol!

As long as you're PERSONALLY doing better, it's always good!

 

The problem with Sub is that it has NO AoE.  Combat has Flurry, Assassination has Envenom FoKs, but Sub has nothing.  If you want to compare each from your old logs, you can look at damage purely to the boss, though!

 

The best thing to work on for Sub is Expose Weakness uptime, and it's the real key to the spec.  I've seen a lot of rogues that like to use Shadow Dance on the pull instead of after the first Expose Weakness, but I think that leads to lower overall DPS.  Try to use it after your first EW falls, then Vanish --> Ambush when the first Shadow Dance EW falls, wait for Shadow Dance, and Prep --> Vanish --> Ambush after the next one falls!

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That's one thing I'm lost at - I was trying to check on Skada, but I couldn't find out how to isolate damage on boss. Gotta study a little teh addon.

 

Also I failed on some stupid things, like reacquiring target (Garrosh) quick enough (switching from Weapon to him, got a macro to go towards teh weap, but none back to Garrosh lol).

 

Also, I think my reforge wasn't correctly done. I was using Haste > Crit > Mastery, when I should be using Haste > Mastery > Crit, due to the way Sub deals damage (Evisc spam). I'll give a new try with this reforge build next week.

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That's one thing I'm lost at - I was trying to check on Skada, but I couldn't find out how to isolate damage on boss. Gotta study a little teh addon.

 

Also I failed on some stupid things, like reacquiring target (Garrosh) quick enough (switching from Weapon to him, got a macro to go towards teh weap, but none back to Garrosh lol).

 

Also, I think my reforge wasn't correctly done. I was using Haste > Crit > Mastery, when I should be using Haste > Mastery > Crit, due to the way Sub deals damage (Evisc spam). I'll give a new try with this reforge build next week.

Fight --> Enemy Damage Taken --> Garrosh Hellscream.

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Feedback on weekstart:

 

Raiding as Sub in my raid setup currently is inviable, as we're doing some kind of different mechanics on fights and tanking is somewhat skewed... - can't get behind boss. I guess I'll end up sticking with Mut for teh time being, or even start playing a Shammy - raid NEEDS totems. Hope I get a weapon drop.

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Feedback on weekstart:

 

Raiding as Sub in my raid setup currently is inviable, as we're doing some kind of different mechanics on fights and tanking is somewhat skewed... - can't get behind boss. I guess I'll end up sticking with Mut for teh time being, or even start playing a Shammy - raid NEEDS totems. Hope I get a weapon drop.

Quite frankly, that shouldn't affect you on any fight.  If they're forcing you to stack on the tanks, they're doing it wrong.

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Quite frankly, that shouldn't affect you on any fight.  If they're forcing you to stack on the tanks, they're doing it wrong.

Not stacking on tanks, specially because that way I'd be @ teh front of teh boss and not behind it. =P

 

I'm giving up too early, I think. It was very frustrating yesterday on Immerseus H, I had to move A LOT to be at boss' back, but still had to limit myself so I wouldn't dirt up teh room much with those puddles, so @ teh end I was basically spamming Hemo to do something.

 

I dunno, I feel noob. Gonna give a new try. If anything fails, then I'll assume that I'm not good enough to play on Sub and will pick up on an easier spec.

 

Thanks for all teh advices, Hybrys. You're being really helpful.

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Not stacking on tanks, specially because that way I'd be @ teh front of teh boss and not behind it. =P

 

I'm giving up too early, I think. It was very frustrating yesterday on Immerseus H, I had to move A LOT to be at boss' back, but still had to limit myself so I wouldn't dirt up teh room much with those puddles, so @ teh end I was basically spamming Hemo to do something.

 

I dunno, I feel noob. Gonna give a new try. If anything fails, then I'll assume that I'm not good enough to play on Sub and will pick up on an easier spec.

 

Thanks for all teh advices, Hybrys. You're being really helpful.

Just remember that Sub is challenging, and is often ranked as one of the hardest specs to play (I place it in my top 5) because of the positionals and the EW mechanic.

 

Imm is pretty difficult, and running Sub for Protectors feels like a nearly futile effort. But Norushen, Sha, Galak's burn phase, and IJ are fodder for Sub's power, and should be pretty great experiences.  (For IJ, Step / Cloak / Step the pulses to show off.  Shadow Dance should come up with the Cloak, and end before the step.)

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