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Top Raiders' Best Raids of All Time Tier List

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As the Sanctum of Domination Race to World First arrives next week, it seemed like the perfect time to check in on the top raiding community's thoughts on all the raids that came before.

Raider.IO asked many raiders from the top guilds to rate all the raids of WoW so far, as each made their own tier list and I compiled it into one combined giant final one. Some of them also talked about their thoughts on their favorite raids, elaborating on what made them special. It was a pretty huge undertaking and I'm very happy with the results, and as mentioned in the original article, before you check out the final rankings, you can make your own tier list and see how it compares to the top raiders' (I did the same here).

Well, without further ado, here's the list, courtesy of Raider.IO, and you can check out the guilds participating, the methodology behind it and a lot more info  in the original article:

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A few interesting facts about it, it seems many top raiders rated the early Vanilla and BC raids rather harshly, possibly because of Classic and the relatively negative light it showed them in, whereas the WotLK raids remained mostly unscathed, as they are safely locked away in memory. Crucible of Storms was also the most controversial and divisive raid, with plenty of raiders putting it as an S tier raid, and others as a D. Dragon soul just barely managed to crawl out of the D position, as it did have some pretty cool and innovative mechanics and fights. All in all this was a really fun thing to do (if exhausting to pick out all the data from the images and calculate it all) and it's interesting how each guild had a very specific angle on the rankings depending on which part of WoW they were playing/most successful in (which is why the ratings are averaged out by guild).

You can (and definitely should) check out the reasons behind these ratings, as the top raiders talk about their picks over at Raider.IO!

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"WHY ICC AND ULDUAR ARE NOT SSS+ GOD TIER?!?!" guys coming in 3... 2... 1...

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That's a pretty high ranking for the Trial of Valor. Maybe also would move Heart of Fear a tier up, but otherwise looks good.

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I raided only for two expansions but I agree with that. Blackrock Foundry was the best raid I have ever done.

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Wait Trial of Valor...what?    Am I confusing the raid names now?    How does the garbage one room raid with bosses being timegated a week apart each rate so high?    

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just by seeing Trial of Valor that high i can assume is not a valid top. HoF and Zulaman could be A or even S.

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38 minutes ago, Migol said:

Wait Trial of Valor...what?    Am I confusing the raid names now?    How does the garbage one room raid with bosses being timegated a week apart each rate so high?    

Are you meaning Trial of the Crusader? Trial of Valor is with Helya

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1 hour ago, Dejo93 said:

>Ulduar after Throne of Thunder

 

Bullshit

ToT is objectively the better raid. Better bosses better mechanics, probably the best endboss even in Lei Shen. Ulduar is the better overall experience as it was an incredible innovative raid with some insanely good lore.

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1 hour ago, Migol said:

Wait Trial of Valor...what?    Am I confusing the raid names now?    How does the garbage one room raid with bosses being timegated a week apart each rate so high?    

Helya is quite popular.

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1 hour ago, Teufel said:

"WHY ICC AND ULDUAR ARE NOT SSS+ GOD TIER?!?!" guys coming in 3... 2... 1...

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That's a pretty high ranking for the Trial of Valor. Maybe also would move Heart of Fear a tier up, but otherwise looks good.

Both ICC and Ulduar were relatively close to S actually, with Nightold just barely getting in there.

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1 hour ago, Starym said:

Both ICC and Ulduar were relatively close to S actually, with Nightold just barely getting in there.

That would be fine, only three-four of bosses in each that I'd call lousy mechanically, mostly the nod to the crazed fanboys of WotLK.

Thinking Nighthold deserves its spot too though, but I'm rather biased for visuals here and Gul'dan encounter. But Throne and Foundry most certainly do belong in there, had a blast in my time.

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20 minutes ago, Teufel said:

That would be fine, only three-four of bosses in each that I'd call lousy mechanically, mostly the nod to the crazed fanboys of WotLK.

Thinking Nighthold deserves its spot too though, but I'm rather biased for visuals here and Gul'dan encounter. But Throne and Foundry most certainly do belong in there, had a blast in my time.

Yea the top 2 were pretty much a given, just cos it's top raiders. I'm sure a populist list would look a lot different. But since compiling all that data nearly killed my I'm sure as shit not doing all that again 😄

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Black temple belongs higher, at least A tier. In hindsight of course it's old/boring, but at the time it was incredible

I'd also bump dazar'alor up a tier

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5 hours ago, Starym said:

it seems many top raiders rated the early Vanilla and BC raids rather harshly, possibly because of Classic and the relatively negative light it showed them in, whereas the WotLK raids remained mostly unscathed, as they are safely locked away in memory.

I feel this is a weird suggestion the article makes. Most TBC and Vanilla raids simply don't pop as much as later ones. We didn't need Classic to tell us that. 

Take Battleguard Sartura. In terms of memorability she's a mob given boss status. The fight may or may not be interesting -- but it's hard to have great memories of a boss if you can't even remember its name. I had to look her up. Compare that to ICC, where I can give you quotes from every single boss. 

And if that's not a fair comparison, compare Sartura to C'thun. C'thun is a memorable fight and a memorable boss. You can't forget him.

But memorable bosses are the exception rather than the rule in Vanilla. TBC is much better. WotLK is the first place there's barely any filler. It's easy to forget any given Vanilla boss and they mostly have awfully simple fights. Even when viewed through rose-tinted glasses it's hard to rank them above what came later.

It surprises me Hyjal isn't D or at least Asterisk tier. Glad to see BRF at the top. 

 

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4 hours ago, Halock said:

I feel this is a weird suggestion the article makes. Most TBC and Vanilla raids simply don't pop as much as later ones. We didn't need Classic to tell us that. 

Take Battleguard Sartura. In terms of memorability she's a mob given boss status. The fight may or may not be interesting -- but it's hard to have great memories of a boss if you can't even remember its name. I had to look her up. Compare that to ICC, where I can give you quotes from every single boss. 

And if that's not a fair comparison, compare Sartura to C'thun. C'thun is a memorable fight and a memorable boss. You can't forget him.

But memorable bosses are the exception rather than the rule in Vanilla. TBC is much better. WotLK is the first place there's barely any filler. It's easy to forget any given Vanilla boss and they mostly have awfully simple fights. Even when viewed through rose-tinted glasses it's hard to rank them above what came later.

It surprises me Hyjal isn't D or at least Asterisk tier. Glad to see BRF at the top. 

 

I'm sorry but if you think the way Classic presented the bosses and raids didn't affect player perceptions you're just very wrong. There's no way Molten Core and many of the other rated very low (I'm talking individual player votes here) can ever be considered that low viewed objectively. Basically most of the extremely low scores (IMO) can be attributed to the players having played them in Classic and not in Vanilla/BC. The culture around the raids in Classic is just not even remotely the same and those raids can't be put in the context of today's raiders or WoW culture (guides, logs, parsing, addons, 39 warriors in the raid, ALL strats known decades in advance etc). Believe me when Trial of the Crusader (and in some cases, even Ruby fucking Sanctum) is rated higher than MC, SSC and even BT, something's VERY off.

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