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Help! My gear ilvl and Survival Hunter Dps don't MATCH!!!

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Zacherino-Deathwing

 

I need help analyzing what I could possibly be doing wrong with my dps rotation. Thank you.

 

http://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jnHwkCzDGvT3xWrK#fight=1&type=damage-done&source=6&view=events

 

Hopefully the link works. Please help me understand what I need to do better. Thank you.

 

20:45:01.690 Zacherino Auto Shot Garrosh Hellscream *52202* arrow_right2.png 20:45:03.256 Zacherino Improved Serpent Sting Garrosh Hellscream 34220 arrow_right2.png 20:45:03.669 Arbok (Zacherino) Bite Garrosh Hellscream 31565 arrow_right2.png 20:45:03.889 Zacherino Auto Shot Garrosh Hellscream 33722 arrow_right2.png 20:45:04.089 Zacherino Black Arrow Garrosh Hellscream *61488* arrow_right2.png 20:45:04.456 Arbok (Zacherino) Melee Garrosh Hellscream 20089 arrow_right2.png 20:45:05.258 Arbok (Zacherino) Melee Garrosh Hellscream *41785* arrow_right2.png 20:45:05.540 Zacherino Auto Shot Garrosh Hellscream *76805* arrow_right2.png 20:45:06.075 Arbok (Zacherino) Melee Garrosh Hellscream 13995 arrow_right2.png 20:45:06.096 Zacherino Black Arrow Garrosh Hellscream 31341 arrow_right2.png 20:45:06.257 Zacherino Serpent Sting Garrosh Hellscream 47907 arrow_right2.png 20:45:06.657 Zacherino Cobra Shot Garrosh Hellscream *113142* arrow_right2.png 20:45:06.657 Zacherino Explosive Shot Garrosh Hellscream *175691* arrow_right2.png 20:45:06.761 Zacherino A Murder of Crows Garrosh Hellscream 34762 arrow_right2.png 20:45:06.873 Arbok (Zacherino) Melee Garrosh Hellscream *41785* arrow_right2.png 20:45:06.873 Arbok (Zacherino) Bite Garrosh Hellscream *107070* arrow_right2.png 20:45:07.207 Zacherino Auto Shot Garrosh Hellscream 44829 arrow_right2.png 20:45:07.657 Zacherino Explosive Shot Garrosh Hellscream *183848* arrow_right2.png 20:45:07.698 Arbok (Zacherino) Melee Garrosh Hellscream *41785* arrow_right2.png 20:45:07.758 Zacherino A Murder of Crows Garrosh Hellscream *82813* arrow_right2.png 20:45:08.119 Zacherino Black Arrow Garrosh Hellscream *77474* arrow_right2.png 20:45:08.493 Zacherino Glaive Toss Garrosh Hellscream *229368* arrow_right2.png 20:45:08.493 Zacherino Glaive Toss Garrosh Hellscream *231062* arrow_right2.png 20:45:08.493 Arbok (Zacherino) Melee Garrosh Hellscream *50142* arrow_right2.png 20:45:08.658 Zacherino Explosive Shot Garrosh Hellscream *220617* arrow_right2.png 20:45:08.665 Zacherino Explosive Shot Garrosh Hellscream 83106 arrow_right2.png 20:45:08.757 Zacherino A Murder of Crows Garrosh Hellscream *86792* arrow_right2.png 20:45:08.873 Zacherino Auto Shot Garrosh Hellscream 38387 arrow_right2.png 20:45:09.256 Zacherino Serpent Sting Garrosh Hellscream *135309* arrow_right2.png 20:45:09.291 Arbok (Zacherino) Melee Garrosh Hellscream *55007* arrow_right2.png 20:45:09.656 Zacherino Arcane Shot Garrosh Hellscream *199481* arrow_right2.png 20:45:09.656 Zacherino Explosive Shot Garrosh Hellscream *205150* arrow_right2.png 20:45:09.776 Zacherino A Murder of Crows Garrosh Hellscream *83517* arrow_right2.png 20:45:10.090 Arbok (Zacherino) Bite Garrosh Hellscream *140942* arrow_right2.png 20:45:10.090 Zacherino Black Arrow Garrosh Hellscream 31341 arrow_right2.png 20:45:10.423 Zacherino Auto Shot Garrosh Hellscream *111102* arrow_right2.png 20:45:10.508 Arbok (Zacherino) Melee Garrosh Hellscream *55007* arrow_right2.png 20:45:10.656 Zacherino Explosive Shot Garrosh Hellscream *205150* arrow_right2.png 20:45:10.748 Zacherino A Murder of Crows Garrosh Hellscream 32461 arrow_right2.png 20:45:11.328 Arbok (Zacherino) Melee Garrosh Hellscream 16705 arrow_right2.png 20:45:11.508 Zacherino Cobra Shot Garrosh Hellscream 52520 arrow_right2.png 20:45:11.677 Zacherino Explosive Shot Garrosh Hellscream 69496 arrow_right2.png 20:45:11.756 Zacherino A Murder of Crows Garrosh Hellscream *76969* arrow_right2.png 20:45:12.023 Zacherino Auto Shot Garrosh Hellscream 36868 arrow_right2.png 20:45:12.107 Zacherino Black Arrow Garrosh Hellscream *77474* arrow_right2.png 20:45:12.131 Arbok (Zacherino) Melee Garrosh Hellscream *55007* arrow_right2.png 20:45:12.266 Zacherino Serpent Sting Garrosh Hellscream *109874* arrow_right2.png 20:45:12.673 Zacherino Explosive Shot Garrosh Hellscream 69589 arrow_right2.png 20:45:12.760 Zacherino A Murder of Crows Garrosh Hellscream *70375*

 

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ok im looking at the first few wipes because you were not there for the boss kill.

 

ok first thing your Serpent Sting up time is extremely low. I'm seeing any where from 50 to 70% uptime this should be closer to 95%. your black arrow usage is in the is all over the board. I'm seeing 40% to 70% both. are key for dps.

Glaive Toss in your first 10 min wipe you used it 26 times out of 66 times that you could use it.

Explosive Shot it look like you only use it when lock at load procks. never when it dose not because if my math is right you had 29 l&l proc and it give you 3 Explosive Shot in a row so that 87. make sure you are using it even if the l&l is not proc.

 

 i looked up your toon and your  Expertise Rating is only 7.01 you need to get that up to 7.5.

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Thank you for the help! I will watch the serpent sting more. And I downloaded some more addons for help with that. Those I use cobra shot all the time does it not refresh serpent sting?

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Thank you for the help! I will watch the serpent sting more. And I downloaded some more addons for help with that. Those I use cobra shot all the time does it not refresh serpent sting?

it dose but in a fight like hellscream with add and tran phases it fall off.cobra shot add 6 sec ( and that dose not stack).so in heavy movement phases when you have a lot of Focus a lot of time people forget to keep up the cobra shot. look at it this way in wipe 1 you ss 24 time so of the 10 min 22 sec wipe 3:60 of that time ss was up( that just with ss) so you cobra shot 82 time that it hit. so that times 6 sec that cs refreshes ss 4:92 so combined the both is 8:52. so best case your ss was up 8:52. on hellscream. but that also dose not take in to account when you cast it and if you chain cast it so you can knock off about a min or so( rounding) that ss was not on the boss. so of 10.22 sec ss was on the boss 7:52 so al most for 3 min the boss did not have ss on it. that huge amount of dps loss

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Serpent Sting uptime will not ruin anyone's DPS, it's just the easiest thing to check but it's honestly a waste of time, there are so many more important things to check (they'd require a proper single-target log of an IJ//Malk log though ideally) to see how you actually play single-target.

 

I do the auditing thing on SentryTotem and the most common mistakes DPS-wise are in this order..

 

1) APM/CPM/casts per minute, low activity, globals lost.

2) Black Arrow uptime (in terms of SV hunters) and Kill Command count in terms of BM hunters.

3) Dire Beast usage (in terms of BM hunters), basically sub-45% uptime on it is bad.

 

I'd start at #1 @OP

 

For instance your APM this Garrosh wipe was 39.5 (http://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jnHwkCzDGvT3xWrK#fight=1&type=casts&source=6&options=2&by=source)

 

Which doesn't say much cuz there's lots of downtime that fight, but yeah check the link and you know where you can find APM, compare your single-target logs to those of parsing hunters and whatnot. 60+ APM single-target is ideal..

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Serpent sting uptime is a lot more important than Azortharion is trying to tell you. It gives you 3 focus every 3 seconds and simply does an incredible amount of damage over the course of the fight. It's not a DPS loss to maintain it 100% so why wouldn't you? CPM is obviously number one because you always want to be casting something. 

 

With that being said, you simply just need to improve your DoT uptimes, your uptimes on bosses could be a lot better as well. You need to be simply clicking more spells, it's that simple. There's not too much else I can tell you. Hunter logs are weird to analyze right now because of our T16 4p and ToTH. It makes things a little too random.

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I am not saying it is unimportant, but it's a silly thing to audit someone's logs with, because it's not going to make a world of difference, as you would need an entire Serpent Sting's worth of downtime to actually get enough focus for a single Arcane Shot. It's just a waste of time.

 

I'm not saying anyone should neglect Serpent Sting either... Really dunno how you extrapolated that from what I wrote. >_>

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I didn't say that you told him to neglect it. 

 

Serpent sting uptime is a lot more important than Azortharion is trying to tell you. It gives you 3 focus every 3 seconds and simply does an incredible amount of damage over the course of the fight. It's not a DPS loss to maintain it 100% so why wouldn't you.

That is all I had to say about Serpent Sting. Nowhere did I say you said to neglect it. -_- It costs literally nothing to maintain it close to 100%, so there is literally no reason not to. It's not the most important thing, I even agreed with you and said that CPM should come first. 

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To be pedantic, there are times (during LnL) when you might as well let Serpent Sting drop just to reapply it manually by the end of your cycle.

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So I have been Simcrafting myself and almost pulling the dps that I should. I have a question on the Trap Mastery. I see the Survival is the only spec with trap mastery. Should I always be placing traps down or is the more of a passive ability? Thank you all for your inputs they have helped along with more research. 

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You should be putting Explosive Traps down on multiple targets if it's gonna have significant (60%+) uptime, it's free damage for no cost, but apart from that it's just a passive bonus because Survival is the more trappy/wilderness-based hunter spec.

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