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27 minutes ago, Dejo93 said:

Da, comrade

 

Thank you, oh company, for lecturing us

maybe thats just a hint that stuff like hate speech and so on is going to get more punishment in the future and know you cant enter the game without accepting that contract so you cant say you didnt know its forbiding to be an asshat

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Just now, N3ilo said:

maybe thats just a hint that stuff like hate speech and so on is going to get more punishment in the future and know you cant enter the game without accepting that contract so you cant say you didnt know its forbiding to be an asshat

people like you wouldn't survive the old Xbox voicechat back in the day

 

so soft XD

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8 minutes ago, Dejo93 said:

people like you wouldn't survive the old Xbox voicechat back in the day

 

so soft XD

Obviously you didn't either. 

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14 minutes ago, Dejo93 said:

people like you wouldn't survive the old Xbox voicechat back in the day

 

so soft XD

I hate that wanting people to not be dicks is considered weak...

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I mean in reality this contract is not going to change anything, they will still enforce rules like before. If i sign a contract saying I need to "do my best" to help people in the world, be nice and answer questions. That would mean that if I don't do those things, actions will be taken against me. Makes no sense...

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2 hours ago, rmjthrow said:

I hate that wanting people to not be dicks is considered weak...

It takes far more courage to speak out against bullies than to join those doing the bullying. Bullying is easy:

1 hour ago, Lith said:

Catering snowflake culture amazing.

Aren't the people with blood gushing out of their eyeballs over a little piece of text the real snowflakes? "Oh no, morals?! Help! I'm meeeeltiiiing!!!"

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3 hours ago, Prophet001 said:

This isn't really too bad.

The fundamental problem though is that you're trusting these people to define the word "hate" accurately and in my opinion they've already shown that they can't.

I mean if you tell people you believe there's only 2 genders then they think that's hate. That's not hate bud that's just nature.

Ask them what a woman is and watch their meltdown

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4 hours ago, N3ilo said:

maybe thats just a hint that stuff like hate speech and so on is going to get more punishment in the future and know you cant enter the game without accepting that contract so you cant say you didnt know its forbiding to be an asshat

I think the point that person was making was a company that has apparently been letting its employees break everything in that contract for apparently decades is now lecturing players on how to behave, it's like OJ going around telling people murder is wrong.  Plus we all know if those employees behavior and the company's attempts at covering it up had never gone public, this "social contract" would never had been added

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1 hour ago, Calorat said:

I think the point that person was making was a company that has apparently been letting its employees break everything in that contract for apparently decades is now lecturing players on how to behave, it's like OJ going around telling people murder is wrong.  Plus we all know if those employees behavior and the company's attempts at covering it up had never gone public, this "social contract" would never had been added

but wasnt blizz getting rid of those people atlest in the positions that have any power? i thought so but i could be false

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5 hours ago, Dejo93 said:

people like you wouldn't survive the old Xbox voicechat back in the day

 

so soft XD

oh well since i grew up in that generation i survieved quite well but is it bad that i would want the gaming world to be a less harsh and toxic place? if thats weak in your book so be it then i am proudly weak.

on the other hand id like to ask how weak must someone be that needs to throw around slurs in a game be it racism homophobs or just general hate?

thats a thing i saked myself since i started with online games. sure you can be mad if you lose or your mate does something stupid but why do some people need to tell me how she did my mom or that i am a lesser being because im black or gay or a woman? i think only very very few would do that in the real world because that could end in legal trouble or even a fight. and often when you talk about this because it is kinda concerning you hear people saying things like you just did or people saying "well thats how it is in gaming" if thats just how it is we as a gaming community as a whole should start thinking about what we do and probably we should all sit in shame because we let people act like this far to often

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46 minutes ago, N3ilo said:

oh well since i grew up in that generation i survieved quite well but is it bad that i would want the gaming world to be a less harsh and toxic place? if thats weak in your book so be it then i am proudly weak.

on the other hand id like to ask how weak must someone be that needs to throw around slurs in a game be it racism homophobs or just general hate?

Yeah, I too remember "good old days" and they weren't that good. People were unironically using "gay" and "autistic" as slurs. Certainly wouldn't want to go back to those days. I assume this social contract refers to those as "ability", like calling out that someone is playing badly is fine, but saying they are playing badly because they are autists is not.

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2 hours ago, Arcling said:

Yeah, I too remember "good old days" and they weren't that good. People were unironically using "gay" and "autistic" as slurs. Certainly wouldn't want to go back to those days. I assume this social contract refers to those as "ability", like calling out that someone is playing badly is fine, but saying they are playing badly because they are autists is not.

well when i learned only one thing in my life then its that anytime someone is talking about "the good old times" nothing was good about it except for the people refering to it as "good" times

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I find this whole thing totally stupid.

People should have the right to be dicks, assholes, pricks, morons and so on, this is what the IGNORE feature is for....use it, instead of crying to the GMs.

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2 hours ago, VictorVakaras said:

I don't think Blizzard will ever be able to clamp down on the toxic element to the wow community. It's been unpunished for too long at this point.

Internet and  the gaming community in general never have done much about toxicty. In WoW Vanilla, you had server rep. The toxic players usually found each other in a few "bad boy" guilds and were still able to dungeons and raids. 

I find it sad that companies have to police the players, social media and forums. We the players should know better. It's just a small (vocal) minority who has to ruin it for others. Even on these forums you see enough wannabe bad boys. What's to win on these forums? Maybe we should adopt the Korean internet ID, which is connected to your social ID?

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4 hours ago, Keller said:

Internet and  the gaming community in general never have done much about toxicty. In WoW Vanilla, you had server rep. The toxic players usually found each other in a few "bad boy" guilds and were still able to dungeons and raids. 

This is why I always disagree about all the "good old days" people. Even with separate servers, there were still toxic people. On my old server there were some players with very bad reputation, not even a "bad boy" guilds as you mentioned, but normal ones. Despite that they were accepted in raiding guilds, because "that guy might be a *filtered*, but at least he is a good player" was the usual explanation. Plus that server was among the smaller ones, so recruitment pool was limited, those guilds didn't have any reliable replacements for them. So yeah, nothing was being done about toxicity there.

No system is perfect, but at least something is being done about it. No matter the changes, some people will always find a way to work against rules, but it is worth trying, even if effects are rather small.

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Cant wait to get banned for telling someone they suck at their class. You know this is going to get abused. 

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3 hours ago, Viriledub said:

Cant wait to get banned for telling someone they suck at their class. You know this is going to get abused. 

well always depends how you do it.telling someone the need to work on there understanding of there class will probably not get you banned telling someone they suck and should delet the game or just slurs could and should get you a time out to cool of

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39 minutes ago, N3ilo said:

well always depends how you do it.telling someone the need to work on there understanding of there class will probably not get you banned telling someone they suck and should delet the game or just slurs could and should get you a time out to cool of

"Hey mister Restoration Druid, I respectfully disagree with you condesendingly talking sh*t to me and giving Cpt. Obvious-worthy 'advice', born out of your IO being a whooping 400 better than my 5th alt, but I politely suggest you learn that you have a Soothe button and you use it to not make the first boss in ToP run around chasing people and cleaving them in half before venturing into a +20, as well as press your Moonfire, Sunfire and Adaptive Swarm buttons to provide minimal damage impact instead of doing 500 DPS." 

...think it'll do any good to those kind of morons? 

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Every single time I see the news of a text-change it goes something like this (and hereby resembles the "go get me a book from far away" quests where the book is a gearable on the endtable 22 feet away).

((( Oh the devs are finally reviewing one or another blob of text.  For some reason maybe involving corporate legal, or caring about the year 2022, some texts come sooner than others. )))
Someone's mad they are being told how to be nice on the internet.
Promptly shows off how to be rude on the internet.

"hmm, you might be angry about being told not to be a ((( hater? *filtered*? potty mouth? trash talker of people on the other end of a keyboard... who inconveniently lack the melee range to break your nose if you said it in person )))?   You hungry to defend how to ((( insert rude )))?   Ah, we see.  So moral.  Much citizen upstanding."

grouch responds: (((cuss))) you (((slur upon thy et cetera))) <-- some short, some long

^ ^ ^ et cetera.

This style of argument is not logical; it's reflex on the part of people who let anger fall out because it's easy.

Everyone who was already Good Sorts inside the game will look at the long wad of text and say yup yeah that's me uh huh and click on by.  BECAUSE THAT WAS EASY.

Everyone who's just barely evil enough to be mad they're being told to go h8 somewhere else, can keep their sub!  The rest of us have raids to roflstomp.

Scritch the kitty.  Kitty has claws, do not attempt to taunt happy fun kitty.

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