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Wow, how did I miss this thread? I can't even get through it all.
 

I didn't think Icyveins had so many users that would lose their bowels over tiny changes that make them feel threatened over their narrowly-educated worldview.

 

Yet here we are.

 

Some of you really need to read a book. And be less hateful to something (or someone) you don't understand. If a news post like this causes you to start swearing, sounding paranoid of take-over, or insulting someone based on their identity: you're the problem.

 

 

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14 minutes ago, TyZone said:

Wow, how did I miss this thread? I can't even get through it all.
 

I didn't think Icyveins had so many users that would lose their bowels over tiny changes that make them feel threatened over their narrowly-educated worldview.

 

Yet here we are.

 

Some of you really need to read a book. And be less hateful to something (or someone) you don't understand. If a news post like this causes you to start swearing, sounding paranoid of take-over, or insulting someone based on their identity: you're the problem.

 

 

Well, wowhead locking comments on these topics made a lot of users migrate to icy-veins for news. It's not really just a small part of the playerbase, they just want to play the game and be immersed instead of getting reminded of todays propaganda or new wrongthink.

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9 hours ago, Starseed said:

yeah and how great does that work? sure its outlawed but no one freaking cares. we have still countries on the world where you need to fear the police fpr who you are and who you love. people get discriminated every day in every aspect of live because out there are still people that think it is ok to spew nothing but hatred against every one that isnt fitting in there narrow mindset. how often do you see lgbtq people screaming to a hetero couple in a bar they should burn in hell and they need to get treatment? i and so many others would just like to live oure lives the way we like to without hurting anyone but the representation matters so the newer generations grow up in a world where its normal to be who you are. why is it that every thing that is new or diffrent poses a threat to some people the world is constantly evolving and now we are in a time where people are no longer afraid to stand for who they are.

 

 

Those countries are of no interest to me, nor should they interest you, I do not care what happens in south america, africa, australia or china. If it comes down to states in the USA crying about how their neighbouring state has different laws, then that's a mental illness and obsession, that's why different countries exist, you can freely move around and pick your preferred one, it works in Europe, since we're not raised to pick a tent and get on with our daily hate minute towards the other side.

If you're planning on removing discrimination why not move to India to break down their caste system? or tell the people in Israel those palestinians deserve some land? or try travelling to south africa and set up a farm, see how that goes for you.

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14 hours ago, BravoWhiskey1716 said:

I don't see how a choice is a discrimination in any way. I figured I'd throw my two cents in after reading this topic's posts. I am a cisgender male, I am considered by most to be a conservative, and IRL, I am retired and keeping busy with several projects and enjoying a RPG game. I have to tell a story from my experience IRL however. I was very saddened one day (during my career) when a gay coworker felt it necessary to ask if I was aware that he was gay... simply because I was friendly to him and non-judgmental in my dealings with him.

Is that what we've all become? Are we all 'right fighters' that have to have everyone agree with our point of view, and if they don't, they're the enemy?! I choose for myself. I don't need to agree with your choices, and you don't need my approval for yours.

In game, I run both male and female toons, I think this is a role-playing game, and that it isn't anything more than enjoying a fantasy.

Our real-life dealings are more important though. The fact there are those who invoke 'morality' as their purview goes against everything that the US constitution stands for. Just think... to discriminate and seek vengence, you first have to Judge someone guilty... That only happens when someone breaks a law (especially when effects another person's rights or safety). Don't force your views on me, and I'll refrain from forcing mine on you. 

How about just having fun in game?

You are right in the end its a game and we all should have fun. 

I just dont see how this small change is forcing a view on anyone I would say it just makes room for more difrent views 

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16 hours ago, Andser said:

I keep seeing the same argument over and over again of "give us the same rights". What rights? Right to vote? Right to exist? Right to pay taxes? Right to assemble? Discrimination has been outlawed for many years now, but even then, tighter groups with common interests hold together better, find your niche, find your friends, don't get wet the moment a corporation attempts to virtue signal to your cause, they don't have your best interest in mind at all.

So if someone were to invade your social circle and force you to wear praise their symbols and use some made sha/shoo pronoun in communication instead of what you prefer, you will get mad, just as the old WoW playerbase got mad when they got this stuff forced down their throats.

The scaling up of games, hobbies and other stuff involving social interaction has never worked out, you will never satisfy anyone, only wreak havoc and incite violence in your audiences, to name some examples - Games Workshop, Magic the Gathering

I don’t think anyone says you have to be friends with, or associate with personally, with anyone you don’t want to associate with.  What is wanted is to be treated with the respect and dignity that everyone else gets by default.

This means not deadnaming or misgendering someone on purpose.

This means giving someone the same love and respect you would any other stranger.

This means not being discriminatory and pushing back against those who are doing so.

In some countries, you can literally be jailed or even executed for being LGBTQ.  Many are kicked out of their parents homes prematurely for being gay.

The reason why there’s such a push on this topic is because these things happen, and the only way you can fix it is exposing people to it so it becomes more normalized.  This is why pronouns are important, and why using someone’s current name is important.  When someone is deadnamed or misgendered intentionally, they’re being told that who they are isn’t important.

Small things like not repeating the ”joke” of “I identify as an Apache Attack Helicopter” goes a long way.  Removing gay slurs from your vocabulary is another small way to make a difference.  Treat others with the dignity and respect you would want from others.

This is something that needs to change at a cultural level, and that happens via activism and normalization.

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14 hours ago, Andser said:

Those countries are of no interest to me, nor should they interest you, I do not care what happens in south america, africa, australia or china.

This is such a narrow and stupid view, spoken like a stereotypical American. Just because something happens on the other side of the globe, doesn't mean you can't be affected by it. I do enjoy learning about what's happening in different countries, so this narrow way of thinking is alien to me, and boring! In many cases, people should be concerned, countries don't exist in a vacuum and there are many global challenges. If anything, we need more integration.

14 hours ago, Andser said:

If it comes down to states in the USA crying about how their neighbouring state has different laws, then that's a mental illness and obsession, that's why different countries exist, you can freely move around and pick your preferred one, it works in Europe, since we're not raised to pick a tent and get on with our daily hate minute towards the other side.

This is dumb as well, "you don't like it here, so move to another country". So you are basically denying democracy and ability to have discussion, changing laws etc. But we are going offtopic anyway, so best to stop here.

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1 hour ago, Arcling said:

This is such a narrow and stupid view, spoken like a stereotypical American. Just because something happens on the other side of the globe, doesn't mean you can't be affected by it. I do enjoy learning about what's happening in different countries, so this narrow way of thinking is alien to me, and boring! In many cases, people should be concerned, countries don't exist in a vacuum and there are many global challenges. If anything, we need more integration.

This is dumb as well, "you don't like it here, so move to another country". So you are basically denying democracy and ability to have discussion, changing laws etc. But we are going offtopic anyway, so best to stop here.

Again, everything I'm seeing here is examples of the argument that there needs to be pushback across the board. I don't think that is appropriate. The more militant on either side use anything said as an excuse to go on the warpath. I'll just say that I can accept your decisions for your life and actions, asl long as you can accept mine. Neither of has to agree on anything except respecting the other as free people.

As for paying attention to what happens outside our boarders, those who fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it! That doesn't excuse anyone from getting involved in another country's business. Nations are representative of their people, and that includes the respect I was just delineating in the previous paragraph! If it is between two nations we have no treaties with, and neither asks for our help, we should do no more than voice our opinions and state where we draw the line. Just remember, If you draw a line, there will be times the other will cross it out of sheer defiance! Be prepared to live to your word.....

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39 minutes ago, BravoWhiskey1716 said:

Again, everything I'm seeing here is examples of the argument that there needs to be pushback across the board.

If some people are against certain groups voicing their opinion based on their gender or orientation, telling them they should just pretend they don't exist or in worst cases, they want them dead, then pushback is required. This is not a matter of simple difference of opinion.

Anyway, back to the topic, the best solution is to give everyone a choice (they chose the easy way here, since all they have done was renaming some body types, rather than introducing more), but it's obvious some people here don't want that.

 

39 minutes ago, BravoWhiskey1716 said:

Nations are representative of their people, and that includes the respect I was just delineating in the previous paragraph! If it is between two nations we have no treaties with, and neither asks for our help, we should do no more than voice our opinions and state where we draw the line.

I disagree, such isolationism never works well. Nation-states are dumb in the end, and they often don't represent their people (your country is a good example, where president can be elected without getting majority of votes or the issues with Supreme Court etc.). We need more cooperation to tackle many issues globally (some forms of larger federations for example, but no chance for them at this point).

Anyway, that's all from me, since this discussion seems to be going nowhere.

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On 7/18/2022 at 1:56 AM, Environment said:

If you leave because Blizz implements some additional inclusivity things, then good *filtered* riddance

But it's NOT inclusive. They crap all over us dysphoric people who want to ESCAPE the pronoun crap. I don't need more stuff that tells me I NEED to pick pronouns and such. Not to mention the devaluation of women to be "body 2". How the heck is that supposed to help my dysphoria!? Fixating over stuff is the complete opposite of escapism. Why is the pronoun people so obsessed with making us dysphoric's world worse than it is?

I want to escape that. Please let me. I don't want to be forced to be part of those crazies.

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On 7/18/2022 at 7:33 PM, synack said:

What the heck is wrong with everyone?  How is allowing players to better express who they are a bad thing?

You believe that *filtered* and gender are the same thing?  Cool, pick Body 1, a male voice, and choose He/Him pronouns (or Body 2, a woman voice, and She/Her).  There's literally nothing wrong with de-coupling these choices, and frankly I've been disgusted by the level of discourse from those who are somehow offended by the mere choice.

But you're forcing other people into your beliefs. Why not make an addon where it shows your pronouns if that's the most important thing?

Why force everyone to choose? My pronouns are I/me/myself. It's up to everyone else to refer to me as they wish. I don't own their bodies and they should be free to do whatever sounds they wish.

My dysphoria will not go away by obsessing over gender and pronouns or calling women the second gender. It's the opposite. I do not want to be reminded of that. But you lot keep forcing me into your beliefs that hurt me.

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On 7/19/2022 at 5:57 PM, Arcling said:

If some people are against certain groups voicing their opinion based on their gender or orientation, telling them they should just pretend they don't exist or in worst cases, they want them dead, then pushback is required. This is not a matter of simple difference of opinion.

Anyway, back to the topic, the best solution is to give everyone a choice (they chose the easy way here, since all they have done was renaming some body types, rather than introducing more), but it's obvious some people here don't want that.

 

I disagree, such isolationism never works well. Nation-states are dumb in the end, and they often don't represent their people (your country is a good example, where president can be elected without getting majority of votes or the issues with Supreme Court etc.). We need more cooperation to tackle many issues globally (some forms of larger federations for example, but no chance for them at this point).

Anyway, that's all from me, since this discussion seems to be going nowhere.

I think you misunderstood what I was saying, and maybe I should have been more plain. In the first part you answered, you only quoted the first sentence of what I said. I did delineate that I feel we need to respect other's views, whether we agree with them or not! the 'pushback' I was referring to is the very disrespect and name calling that was alluded to throughout this thread. Even more, the possibility that people would make threats. If someone says something you don't agree with, by all means voice your opinion.... Politely and respectfully. Nowhere in that was there a reference to pretending they don't exist! 

The second part goes in the lager scope of international relations but follows the same theme. I did not refer to any "Isolationism". And you're right! That is never a good idea. But if there's a disagreement between two other people that you have no relation to, and neither asked for your help, it is rather an intrusion to do more than voice an offer to help. You do need to pay attention, and as I said, if it seems to threaten you or those you do have a relationship with, then you need to draw a clear line that shouldn't be crossed. I wasn't saying that any of our governments necessarily always follow the will of their people, nor that they should bury their heads in the sand. But they should follow similar patterns as individuals and show each other respect.  As before the key is respect of others and willingness to help.

Sorry, I'm not lecturing, I just wanted you to know what I meant, in the spirit of cooperation.

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      Arms Warrior (Spec Aura) - Increases damage/healing by 50%: Slam Dreadnaught - Overpower causes a seismic wave, dealing [ 47.55% 20% of Attack Power ] damage to all enemies in a 10 yd line. Deals reduced damage beyond 5 targets. Constant Pressure - Cooldown of Bloodthirst and Overpower reduced by 10%. Bladestorm - Become an unstoppable storm of destructive force, striking all nearby enemies for [ 441% 749.7% of Attack Power ] Physical damage over 6 sec. Deals reduced damage beyond 8 targets. You are immune to movement impairing and loss of control effects, but can use defensive abilities and can avoid attacks. Fervor of Battle - If Cleave or Whirlwind hits hit 2 or more targets it you also Slams Slam your primary target. Swift Strikes - Increases haste by 1%, Raging Blow generates an additional 1 Rage. Haste increased by 1% and Raging Blow and Bloodthirst generate an additional 1 Rage. Slayer's Focus- Bloodthirst and Overpower damage increased by 20%. Storm of Swords - Cleave and Whirlwind has have a 30% chance to make your next Cleave or Whirlwind cost 100% less Rage. Battlelord - Overpower deals 35% increased damage and has a 35% chance to reset the cooldown of Mortal Strike and Cleave. Imminent Demise - Sudden Death's chance to reset the cooldown of Execute and make it usable on any target, regardless of health is increased. Using Sudden Death accelerates your next full Bladestorm, striking 1 additional time (max 3). Bladestorm's total duration is unchanged. Bloodcraze - Bloodthirst Raging Blow increases the critical strike chance of your next Bloodthirst by 15% until it critically strikes. Stacking up to 5 times. Critical Thinking - Critical Strike chance increased by 1.0% 1% and Raging Blow's damaging critical strikes deal 5.0% 5% increased damage. Ravager- Throws a whirling weapon at the target location that chases nearby enemies, inflicting [ 549.5% 494.6% of Attack Power ] Physical damage to all enemies over 12 sec. Deals reduced damage beyond 8 targets. Generates 10 Rage each time it deals damage. Deft Experience- Mastery increased by 1% and if you are Enraged, Bloodthirst extends your has a 2% increased chance to trigger Enrage by 0.5 sec. Slayer Reflexes- Slayer's Strikes have a 50% chance to reset the cooldown of Bloodthirst and Overpower. Frenetic Flurry- Bloodthirst and Overpower have has a chance to cause you to unleash an a brief empowered partial Bladestorm, striking all enemies around you once for 250% additional damage. You can now use Pummel and Storm Bolt while Bladestorming. Bloodthirst- Assault the target in a bloodthirsty craze, dealing [ 80.3% 115% of Attack Power ] Physical damage and restoring 3% of your health. Generates 8 Rage. Strength of Arms- Overpower deals 15% additional damage, has 10% increased critical strike chance, and deals 10% increased critical strike damage.
    • By Starym
      Hey, remember Archaeology? Well, the man with the deep voice is back again to talk about it. If you're bored with Dragonflight or you’re one of those “must collect everything” people, Danta has another easy, but still time-consuming (as he points out himself) guide that can help you obtain a lot of rare items, pets and mounts from Archaeology!
      One  of the cooler things  you can get is the Vial of the Sands recipe, which, once crafted,  gets you the very unique Sandstone Drake mount! It actually turns you into a dragon so you can carry a person with/on you and it's getting Dynamic Flight in the upcoming War Within pre-patch. There are some other cool mounts as well, Ultramarine Qiraji Battle Tank and the Spirit of Eche'ro (which is an entirely separate thing in and of itself). And that's not even mentioning the many toys, pets, titles and transmogs you can get from it.
      The method itself (which some of you may already be familiar with) involves using Mantid digsites and converting all MoP digsites into them with the Mantid Artifact Sonic Locator, which then lets you have plenty of Restored Artifacts to trade for whichever mount/item you're going for. You should check out the video for the full details and what you'll need to get.
      You can see all the artifact types and rare items that may contain in his video description! Also, you can skip to 3:00 in the video to skip the Archaeology basics.
    • By Staff
      Blizzard has just posted a short story titled "A Whisper of Warning" about Alleria Windrunner and her new mission.
      (Source)
      Khadgar has dispatched Alleria Windrunner on a dark mission, one that portends an uncertain future for Azeroth. Before she departs, she visits her lost home of Silvermoon on a mission of peace and connection. Much remains unsaid between Alleria and her son, Arator—hindered by fear and misunderstanding—but Alleria would have her son know his mother and her intentions before a new evil threatens Azeroth again.
      The afternoon sun filtered through the crimson leaves overhead as Alleria Windrunner walked the path toward Silvermoon City. In times past, happier times, she might have flown or used a portal to appear inside the city walls, but as it was, she approached warily, as if nearing a sleeping beast that did not wake gently. Once, she had defended these walls, these people. But now?
      Now, to many, she was the source of danger.
      Read and download this short story by Delilah S. Dawson.
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    • By Staff
      On the War Within Alpha, Haughty Chicken has made an interesting observation on a Khaz Algar mural. This post contains spoilers.
      It seems we might have a glimpse of a fifth Old God. Some theories from the community suggest that this could be Xal'atath's true form, especially since her whereabouts have been unknown since she aided N'Zoth in the Battle for Azeroth. Now she's back as a powerful villain going into the War Within expansion.
      The mural further decipts the Old God creature trying to get ahold of a crystal that is very similar to the Hallowfall one.

      Source: Twitter
      Red Shirt Guy also pointed out that the crystals in Talador share striking similarities with those in Hallowfall, noting the resemblance in their runes.
      Placeholder for tweet 1787108156155232260 What is this mysterious crystal? Could it be a Naaru vessel / crashed ship? Or is it simply the sword that Sargeras plunged into Azeroth? Let us know what you think down in the comments.
    • By Starym
      We're back to Aberrus in week 2 of Season 4, as the Awakened raids continue to rotate! As you'd expect, everything has changed, with only a few specs remaining close to where they were last week in Vault, so let's see the chaos unfold! One important thing to note is that not only are the rankings different because it's a different raid, gear is also piling up for players and so specs are getting better and better, so we should start seeing which specs are good in all three raids pretty soon.
      Note: We are using Normalized scores instead of raw DPS for the Warcraft Logs rankings. The u.gg rankings at the bottom are raw DPS. Normalized scores take into account the outlier boss fights where certain specs could stack massive DPS (due to the nature of the fight, whether it's AoE spam or something else), which would then affect their overall score for the whole raid.
      Mythic
      Overall Damage 95th Percentile
      The last time we looked at Aberrus, an Evoker was on top as well - but it wasn't the same one! Devastation takes advantage of the incorrect logging for Augmentation and grabs the top spot! Frost Mage is the overall leader in Season 4 so far, as it was in 3rd in Vault and now sits in 2nd. Unholy is very much up since last week, with Shadow actually sitting relatively stable behind it, up 3. Arms is also in the both-raids-top-10, gaining 4 spots in 5th, while Retribution rises up from the bottom half in Vault. Last week's/raid's No.1 finds itself down in 7th, but is still doing pretty well overall, while fellow Hunter Beast Mastery only drops 3. Arcane is another very stable spec, only moving 2 spots (up), while Subtlety closes out the top 10, coming in from the bottom half. Speaking of the bottom, Fury and Balance find themselves in the final 3, joining the permanent resident Augmentation.

      95th percentile Mythic data by Warcraft Logs.
      Overall Damage All Percentiles
      Deva is at the very top here as well, but we do see Arms doing a lot better. However, the Warrior was up very high in Vault as well, only gaining 1 spot this week and definitely carrying that "overall best" title for the generalist bracket in Season 4 so far. Retribution makes an even bigger giant leap here, with Frost Mage up a few spots, Beast Mastery extremely stable in the same No.5 slot, same as Shadow in No.6.
      All percentiles Mythic data by Warcraft Logs.
      Boss Only Damage All Percentiles
      Arms is at the very top in the direct damage chart, as we see three Fyr'alath wielders in the top 4, only disturbed by that pesky Evoker.
      All percentiles Mythic data by Warcraft Logs.
      Heroic
      Overall Damage All Percentiles
      Heroic players don't really seem to care about the raid switch or different boss dynamics, as the chart is pretty stable. Arms takes down Enhancement in 3rd, with Devastation being the biggest change in 4th.

      All percentiles Heroic data by Warcraft Logs.

      U.GG Raw Mythic DPS Rankings
      U.gg's rankings are based on actual DPS taken from Warcraft Logs data, focusing on the top players and span the past two weeks. This chart is for Mythic only.
      We see the same specs around the top here as well, but in a different configuration. Retribution actually takes the top spot from Devastation, but both Arms and Frost are very strong at the top. Arcane is doing a lot better, with Demonology being the biggest difference between these and the points-based rankings.
      Mythic chart by u.gg.
       
      Meanwhile, if you're looking for more information you can check out our Dragonflight class guides, Vault, Aberrus and Amirdrassil boss guides, the raid DPS tier list, as well as more data from Warcraft Logs here.
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