Ember Shadowspirit Diamond for Arcane Mages??

Sign in to follow this  

6 posts in this topic

Hello Icy Veins,

First, I want to thank you for putting up this arcane mage guide. It has helped me.

I have one question. In the guide, you advise to use a burning shadowspirit diamond. Is it possible to use a ember shadowspirit diamond instead? Ember shadowspirit diamond increases your maximum mana (very beneficial to arcane mages) and burning shadowspirit diamond only increases critical strike damage (doesn't seem so important).

Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites

I'd see the recommendation for the Burning Shadowspirit is due to an increase in actual mana doesn't really translate into a DPS increase as well as the crit bonus.

Yeah, the logic is more mana means you can cast more spells but the mastery for arcane is when your available mana is at max you get a damage bonus. Not if your mana pool is larger then the other guy.

Hope this helps clear some stuff up.

Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites

@LCSscallywag For arcane, mastery scales with what percentage of your mana pool you still have. Having a larger pool would make each cast of AB slightly more powerful, because you'd be consuming a lesser percentage of your mana pool, but I'd imagine that the 3% crit would end up being more beneficial, as crit should be your next highest secondary stat after hit/mastery.

3% base mana pool means each cast costs 1/1.03 or about 97.1% of what it would with the crit gem. I'd imagine that once you get past your initial burn phase that this would pretty much be irrelevant, so it may be a dps bonus for 5 mans, where you can get to full mana all the time, but I can't imagine it would be for a raid boss with a 10 minute fight or something.

Also note that your crits do 100% extra damage already, so instead of 200%, it'd be 206%, which is in reality a 6% increase when you crit rather than the 3%. Again I haven't done the math, but I'd imagine elitist jerks has and they suggest Burning for Arcane Mages.

Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites

I remember that someone once asked a similar question in the comments of the Arcane Mage guide.

The benefit of an Ember Shadowspirit Diamond is the increased mana regeneration it provides (more mana yields a higher mana regeneration). For Arcane Mages, this is something to consider, especially with a very low critical strike chance (where the benefit of using a Burning Shadowspirit Diamond is weak, as pointed out by PhatLewtsGold).

The main drawback of this meta-gem is that it requires 2 yellow gems and with the socket bonuses of the gear in Patch 4.3, Arcane Mages will mostly be stacking Intellect with Brilliant Inferno Rubies and Brilliant Queen's Garnet.

In my opinion, the bottom line is that you can opt to use an Ember Shadowspirit Diamond if you feel that you need more mana regeneration and if your gear has at least 2 yellow sockets.

Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites

Thank you all for your answers. My critical strike rating is very low at the moment (around 10%) and I always find myself having mana issues. I think I will try this ember shadowspirit diamond. I have enough yellow sockets on my gear to activate it.

Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites

If you're having mana issues make sure you're using Mage Armor and glyph of Mage Armor.

The main point of arcane isn't to spam AB till you're at 0% mana, if you're doing so you're approaching it the wrong way. If it's a gear thing by the 378 heroics, you shouldn't really have an issue with regen.

Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites
This topic is now closed to further replies.
Sign in to follow this  

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Similar Content

    • By capimeista
      hello everyone,
      i feel like im doing way to low dmg in my hc raids could some of you take a look at my logs and see if im doing something wrong.
      i already know my legendary ice time isnt the best but i dont have another.
      my thanks.
    • By zenek64
      Hi, I have a problem with my frost mage. I'm pissed, because  I really don't know how  I can improve my dps. I know the rotation, I've watched many guides and my dps is still low.
    • By Damien
      This thread is for comments about our Arcane Mage guide for Legion.
    • By Damien
      This thread is for comments about our Fire Mage guide for Legion.
    • By molodirazz
      All applications will be reviewed and considered however if you are playing a class/spec combination we need then your chances of joining will be higher.
      A little bit of info about us:
      We are a group of friends and serious raiders on EU Twisting Nether looking to recruit skilled like-minded players into our roster for Mythic Legion raids and onwards. We will offer a sociable and fun raiding environment while maintaining a strong desire for progression. Our Discord is very active and we encourage all members to chat and play together not only for raids. The guild formed late March 2016 and fully cleared 13/13 Mythic Hellfire Citadel pre nerf shortly after. We've since been improving our world ranking every tier.
      We currently raid 3 days per week on Mythic: Wednesday, Sunday and Tuesday 19:15-22:15 server time. While it is not a lot we try to make the most out of our time. We run optional heroic/normal/alt/previous tier raids during off days in which raiders are welcome to come to. Our members also play other games outside raid times together where anyone is welcome to join(LoL, Dota, HotS, Overwatch etc.).
      Our loot system for Mythic is RC Loot Council.
      What we expect from you:
      - We are a raiding guild with only a 9 hour per week schedule so you are expected to attend and be ON TIME! However we understand things can come up sometimes but please let us know.
      - Be able to speak and understand the English language and not be afraid to communicate with other members during raids.
      - Actively doing dungeons/world quests to improve your gear and artifact weapon.
      - Have a strong understanding of the current raid tier and be able to play your class to it's potential.
      - Always come to raids prepared(i.e. bringing food and potions, etc).
      - Come fully gemmed and enchanted with the correct stats for your class and spec.
      - Access to Discord and a working microphone.
      - Have a computer that can handle 20 man raiding and a good, stable internet connection.
      - Exorsus Raid Tools, Weakauras2 and RC Loot Council addons installed. We may ask you to install others.

      If you have any further questions please contact us at battletags: Vims#21684 Azkey#21565
      To apply please visit our guild website:
      Requirements to be considered into current main raids:
      - 920~ ilvl
      - 52+ traits.
      - 3/9 in ToS.
      - Exceptions to the requirements may be made..
      We're currently looking for the classes below but may consider other classes as well.
      Death Knight: Blood.
      Druid: Guardian and Balance.
      Hunter: MM/BM.
      Monk: Brewmaster.
      Rogue: Open.
      Warlock: Open.
      Any and all applications will be considered.