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Feral Druid 6.2

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In 4.2.1 you say that Moonfire is applied with energy.  This is only true if you take the Lunar Inspiration talent.  Also, for pure single target, you don't want to take LI.

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In 4.2.1 you say that Moonfire is applied with energy.  This is only true if you take the Lunar Inspiration talent.  Also, for pure single target, you don't want to take LI.

That should not be in there, it must be a left-over from when I had the level 100 content included. Removing! Thanks.

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1. Single Target Rotation

 

Thrash is not of benefit to use, even with Omen of Clarity.

 

2. Multiple Target Rotation

 

Only use Thrash is the targets will live long enough for the bleed to expire.

 

4.1

No ability gives more then 1 combo point.  This is only affected by Primal Fury in which direct damage crits add an additional combo point.

 

4.2.1

Thrash should not be used for single target.

 

4.2.7

Please split this into two sections that are Boss HP>25% and BossHP<25%

>25%

Only use FB when at 5 cp and 50 energy

<25%

Strive to use FB at 5 cp and 50 energy but if Rip will fall, any cp or energy combo works.

 

4.3.1/2

TF can be used during Berserk now.  It is not always optimal to use TF before Berserk.  There is no need to wait to use Berserk so long as TF will come off cooldown within half of Berserks duration.

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So the guide says bleeds snapshot and then they don't. Update the snapshot section if you would. Please and thank you.

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1. Single Target Rotation

 

Thrash is not of benefit to use, even with Omen of Clarity.

 

2. Multiple Target Rotation

 

Only use Thrash is the targets will live long enough for the bleed to expire.

 

4.1

No ability gives more then 1 combo point.  This is only affected by Primal Fury in which direct damage crits add an additional combo point.

 

4.2.1

Thrash should not be used for single target.

 

4.2.7

Please split this into two sections that are Boss HP>25% and BossHP<25%

>25%

Only use FB when at 5 cp and 50 energy

<25%

Strive to use FB at 5 cp and 50 energy but if Rip will fall, any cp or energy combo works.

 

4.3.1/2

TF can be used during Berserk now.  It is not always optimal to use TF before Berserk.  There is no need to wait to use Berserk so long as TF will come off cooldown within half of Berserks duration.

Thank you. I've implemented (most of) your suggestions.

 

So the guide says bleeds snapshot and then they don't. Update the snapshot section if you would. Please and thank you.

The guide still talks about bleeds snapshotting because they still do snapshot. They just don't snapshot your stats (like they used to), they do still snapshot your buffs such as Tiger's Fury and Savage Roar, and come level 100 they'll also snapshot Bloodtalons and Improved Rake.

 

I admit that the way the section was worded was a bit mislead, and it could have caused the impression that stats still affect it. I've amended that.

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Droodfocus is out of date, i got it to work but expiriencing many things not working that worked pre 6.0.2 patch. It would be very nice if someone would take it over and keep it updated.

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Droodfocus is out of date, i got it to work but expiriencing many things not working that worked pre 6.0.2 patch. It would be very nice if someone would take it over and keep it updated.

Many ferals are now using a GUI developed in weak auras that gives you very similar information to Droodfocus.

 

It can be found here http://fluiddruid.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=5034

 

*Credit to Pawkets for doing it

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Droofocus isnt working at all. Ive made it very simple with using only Weak Auras 2, and really like the result. Have a look if interrested:

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I use class timers. You can set custom triggers and etc as well as adjust size. very easy to setup and you can have it track trinket procs too.

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I use class timers. You can set custom triggers and etc as well as adjust size. very easy to setup and you can have it track trinket procs too as long as you know the name of the buff.

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Prismatic gem slot should be filled using the blue (rigid) or yellow (smooth) as both give +20 to crit, and not the hybrid haste / crit.

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Prismatic gem slot should be filled using the blue (rigid) or yellow (smooth) as both give +20 to crit, and not the hybrid haste / crit.

Thank you for spotting this. I'm fixing it now!

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Hi.

 

Something I've just catch up on Live servers. Minor Glyph of Travel recommended on the builds-talents-glyphs page is unattainable at this point. It is learned by a discovery recipe using the new WoD ink, so noone will be able to craft it before WOD launches.

 

Given that most of the guide seems targeted to current live lvl 90 capped game, its a bit odd recommending an unnatainable glyph. Under the minor glyph section, I would withdraw the Glyph of Travel (or weite a note stating that it is indeed very nice, but unnatainable until WOD ). And also I would add glyph of Aquatic Form. Pretty situational, but a nice improvement for some very aquatic environments.

 

Kris

 

P.S. The same applies to the Druid Guardian Bear tanking guide.

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Hi.

 

Something I've just catch up on Live servers. Minor Glyph of Travel recommended on the builds-talents-glyphs page is unattainable at this point. It is learned by a discovery recipe using the new WoD ink, so noone will be able to craft it before WOD launches.

 

Given that most of the guide seems targeted to current live lvl 90 capped game, its a bit odd recommending an unnatainable glyph. Under the minor glyph section, I would withdraw the Glyph of Travel (or weite a note stating that it is indeed very nice, but unnatainable until WOD ). And also I would add glyph of Aquatic Form. Pretty situational, but a nice improvement for some very aquatic environments.

 

Kris

 

P.S. The same applies to the Druid Guardian Bear tanking guide.

Thank you! That was indeed our intention, to exclude any WoD-only content. I'll fix it now.

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The stat priorities are confusing as there are no weights, but I think Enchant Gloves - Major Agility (+10) or Enchant Gloves - Greater / Superior Haste (+11) would be better than strength and mastery.

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The stat priorities are confusing as there are no weights, but I think Enchant Gloves - Major Agility (+10) or Enchant Gloves - Greater / Superior Haste (+11) would be better than strength and mastery.

 

Stat weights vary per individual and gear set.  Therefore, they cannot be expressed and taken as gospel by everyone.

 

Enchant Gloves - Major Agility is a level 100 enchant.  For now, the best would be mastery, then haste.

 

 

what about glyph of savagery¿

What about it?

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What about it?

 

"Glyph of Savage Roar causes you to gain a wow_icon_ability_druid_skinteeth.jpg Savage Roar (as though cast with 5 Combo Points) each time you use wow_icon_ability_druid_disembowel.jpg Rake or wow_icon_spell_shadow_vampiricaura.jpg Shred while wow_icon_ability_druid_prowl.jpg Prowling. If you are using wow_icon_spell_druid_incarnation.jpg Incarnation: King of the Jungle, then this glyph is essentially mandatory, but otherwise you can skip it. "

 

If we can skip Glyph of savage roar because nowadays we all pick Soul of the forest as level 60 talent, Glyph of Savagery could be a nice alternative isn't it? Or is the 10% penalty too big?

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The stat priorities are confusing as there are no weights, but I think Enchant Gloves - Major Agility (+10) or Enchant Gloves - Greater / Superior Haste (+11) would be better than strength and mastery.

 

I've removed the Strength Enchant suggestion, but the Mastery one remains ideal.

 

what about glyph of savagery¿

 

Glyph of Savagery requires WoD.

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Ok, I am totally confused with the stats priority on Ferals, and quite frankly I have been for years. When I follow exactly was it recommended, I have virtually no energy regen what so ever, so I spend long periods waiting to use my attacks because I don't have enough energy for any of them to be used. This blows my DPS through the floor, bleeds or no.

 

I have taken to checking out the Armories of some of the top end Feral in the world and running in the high end guilds. In each and EVERY case they all have haste in their gems or gear. Prior to 6.0.2 most had nearly 25% haste on average. I remember several expac's ago being informed that Ferals take more swings per attack than most other melee dps. As I recall, it was three swings to every one swing for other melee. This may no longer be the case, I do not know.

 

What I do know, is that if I follow exactly what is recommended, I cannot get any real DPS... In fact, prior to this patch, I managed to build my haste up to approximately 20%, and my DPS skyrocketed. It was still not the best, but a lot of that was a matter of gear, and trying to get some kind of base rotation to work from, but I was making progress.

 

Checking the profile of Stenhadli, who runs with Midwinter and has contributed to info on Icy-Veins, I notice that nearly all of the orange gems that he has socketed are either Haste or Haste/Crit, even though the info at the bottom of the page shows that he does not have any Haste.

 

I am tired of taking one or two swings and then not being able to do anything because the energy is so slow to regen, and the only way, to my understanding to resolve this is to give Haste some consideration in the priorities besides being at the bottom of the list. Will someone PLEASE explain this too me...How are you keeping your regen up if you have NO haste, and if you do have Haste, how much do you have? As it is, I am leaning towards stacking my Orange gems with either pure haste or haste/crit, because I see no other means to generate the energy at a reasonable level for me to get any DPS worth anything.

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Ok, I am totally confused with the stats priority on Ferals, and quite frankly I have been for years. When I follow exactly was it recommended, I have virtually no energy regen what so ever, so I spend long periods waiting to use my attacks because I don't have enough energy for any of them to be used. This blows my DPS through the floor, bleeds or no.

 

I have taken to checking out the Armories of some of the top end Feral in the world and running in the high end guilds. In each and EVERY case they all have haste in their gems or gear. Prior to 6.0.2 most had nearly 25% haste on average. I remember several expac's ago being informed that Ferals take more swings per attack than most other melee dps. As I recall, it was three swings to every one swing for other melee. This may no longer be the case, I do not know.

 

What I do know, is that if I follow exactly what is recommended, I cannot get any real DPS... In fact, prior to this patch, I managed to build my haste up to approximately 20%, and my DPS skyrocketed. It was still not the best, but a lot of that was a matter of gear, and trying to get some kind of base rotation to work from, but I was making progress.

 

Checking the profile of Stenhadli, who runs with Midwinter and has contributed to info on Icy-Veins, I notice that nearly all of the orange gems that he has socketed are either Haste or Haste/Crit, even though the info at the bottom of the page shows that he does not have any Haste.

 

I am tired of taking one or two swings and then not being able to do anything because the energy is so slow to regen, and the only way, to my understanding to resolve this is to give Haste some consideration in the priorities besides being at the bottom of the list. Will someone PLEASE explain this too me...How are you keeping your regen up if you have NO haste, and if you do have Haste, how much do you have? As it is, I am leaning towards stacking my Orange gems with either pure haste or haste/crit, because I see no other means to generate the energy at a reasonable level for me to get any DPS worth anything.

First, I would like to recommend posting in the Druid section of the forum so you can get some more personalized results.  That can be found here.

 

Feral has never had very good energy regen and through its existence has only focused on haste twice (for a brief time in ICC when Armor Penetration capping was relevant and with RoR...however aiming for a mastery proc).  It is a spec that is about planning and using a secondary resource (combo points).  You need to be patient and properly pool your energy.

 

The stat priority laid out in the guide can be a bit confusing.  While each player/gear set will be different, you generally want:

agi>crit>haste=mastery

 

This is because bleeds are no longer the majority of our damage.  The best way to recover energy is to use the Soul of the Forest talent and have optimal usage of Tiger's Fury.

 

-I hope this helped.  If you have further questions, feel free to post them or pm me.

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Hi there ppl!i am a little bit confused about Heart of the Wild Talent!it is bugged?why on Feral spec says improves Tanking and on Guardian Spec improves dmg while in cat form???isn't that confusing?is that some kind of bug or it is that way?if it is is soooooooooo wrong imo...help out and really new druid guy here!thank you

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Hi there ppl!i am a little bit confused about Heart of the Wild Talent!it is bugged?why on Feral spec says improves Tanking and on Guardian Spec improves dmg while in cat form???isn't that confusing?is that some kind of bug or it is that way?if it is is soooooooooo wrong imo...help out and really new druid guy here!thank you

Because your tier 6 talents (gained at level 90) do not help boost your performance in your primary role. They are there to help you perform other roles, to support your theme of being a hybrid. So, in the case of Heart of the Wild, they allow you to perform other roles better (such as tanking, healing, or doing ranged DPS).

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      Shakib: I would say that the Sanguine, Volcanic, Fortified set of affixes is the easiest for 12 out of the 13 available dungeons. The one that stands out as not a “harder” dungeon but just much slower. A LOT of time gets wasted during the scavenger hallway. I would say that the easiest set of affixes for Blackrook Hold is Teeming, Quaking, Fortified, the pulls are usually really big pulls so adding a couple mobs here and there doesn’t slow you down as much as people may think in there, at least not as much as Sanguine.
       
      Are there some affix combos you just will not get out of bed in the morning for?
      Darkee: Teeming Explosive is a bad joke. Explosive in general is just not fun. It doesn’t help that monks deal 50% less damage to them during our main cd, and our main cd is up at the start of every big pull. I just don’t play unless I have to during Explosive.
      Jdotb: Obviously some of the affix combinations are particularly disgusting, but we’ll run keys most every day regardless. We’re fiends. At the very least, affixes like Bolstering and Tyrannical make you appreciate the Volcanics and Fortifieds.
      Marvink: Bolstering, Explosive, Tyrannical. Not my cup of tea for that amount of trash management, and marathon boss fights are never fun.
      Mittbitt : I will always get out of bed for some mythic plus regardless of the affix combos, however the affix combo that least excites me is Bolstering, Grievous, Tyrannical.
       
      What do you think of the current affixes as they are now? Which should be changed or even removed completely and are there any you’d like to see added in BfA?
      Jdotb: Tyrannical is the big offender at the moment. You don’t have to dive very deep into the analytics to see that all the highest keys are on Fortified weeks. The 40% hp on Tyrannical is the problem - it just makes the bosses take waaaaay too long. The damage bump is fine where it’s at, but the hp buff needs to be cut to at most 25%, maybe even 20%. Bosses are already the hardest parts of high keys because of scaling; making them do more damage AND live almost half again as long is insurmountable.
      Bolstering is probably a bit too punishing. If you screw up, you can’t really undo it without wiping. If the Bolstering buff had a duration (maybe 10-15s) or a cap (maybe 10 stacks) it would be a lot more palatable.
      Explosive starts to feel a little overwhelming on high keys because the orb health scales with the key level so instead of just requiring a global cooldown, the orbs now need people to focus them for several casts.
      Volcanic is a joke now that probably needs to be reworked. It isn’t threatening and half the time it doesn’t even require you to move.
      Quaking for the most part is ok but can be devastating on boss fights where you absolutely need your Prydaz, Xavaric's Magnum Opus shield up to live through certain mechanics. There isn’t a way to play around that currently. If Quaking always did damage to your hp pool directly instead of eating shields, I think it would improve the affix a lot.
      Mittbitt : I feel that Tyrannical needs some tuning, possibly by dropping the hp that bosses receive and beefing up trash more. However, Tyrannical boss hp and abilities get out of control much sooner, and honestly are the least enjoyable mythic plus weeks where we typically farm 20-24 keys.
       
      What’s your favorite, least favorite and funniest “trick” you’ve used in the past to get that tier done in time?
      Jdotb: My favorite trick would have to be keeping the cats in the front of DHT from jumping. That made the instance so much less frustrating.
      Least favorite trick is delaying on the second platform of Viz’aduum. He always targets me with the disintegrate so I have to spend a minute or two running back and forth between two spots.
      Funniest trick was probably taunting Ularogg to keep him from going underground (has since been fixed) - if you were successful, he would instantly punch you really hard and probably kill you on higher keys, so the taunt “winner” would usually be the dead guy.
       
      That's it for the first part of this interview, we had to cut it up into two for, well, obvious reasons! Huge thanks to the Mythic + crew for the insightful answers and you check back in a few days when we finish this up with their thoughts on addons, raiding and its impact on M+,  the Mythic Dungeon Invitational, their suggestions for the future of M+ and much more!
      Part 2.
    • By joat
      Who We Are
      Tequila Sundown is a growing raid team formed within the <Karma Horde> guild on US-Stormreaver. Lead by a husband/wife team with high-level raiding experience dating back to WotLK, we're a "positively determined" progression team that maintains a light-hearted atmosphere while tackling mythic difficulty content. We're mature adults with jobs and family seeking like-minded players who have a passion for the game but want to avoid the needless angst or drama that often gets associated with progression raiding. We log on to have fun - so come have some fun with us!

      A Team Within a Community
      Our raid team is one of four within the larger guild of <Karma Horde>, which was formed back during WotLK. As such, the guild and Discord are very active and social. There are always people around online and in-game. The community atmosphere is welcoming and friendly to players of all levels. The guild enforces a Code of Conduct that has zero tolerance for hate/offensive speech.

      We care more about the people we play with than their item levels or progression rankings. We want players who are going to log in on non-raid nights and be down for all the other things we're into: pushing mythic+, doing world quests, PVP shenanigans, achievement hunting, hyper-competitive fishing.. there's so much to do and so many ways to enjoy the game. This is our favorite hobby and we'd like to play with you if it is yours, too.

      Progression Goals
      We are 3/11 Mythic, Heroic AOTC Antorus progression.
      We strive for a fun environment that takes the challenges of mythic seriously and giving the content the respect it deserves. Our aim is, as all mythic teams, full clear of content but with always keeping the friendly spirit of camaraderie alive. Performance matters, but so does staying positive and finding the fun in the difficulty of a raid.
      We do not require mythic raid experience to join our team but we do expect mythic-level dedication and accountability from all of our raiders.

      Raid Days/Times
      Our mandatory raids are:
      Tuesdays 8:45pm PT - 11:45pm PT
      Thursdays 8:45pm PT - 11:45pm PT
      Optional:
      Sundays 8:45pm PT - 11:45pm PT
      Sundays are for raiding the previous raid difficulty.

      Recruitment Needs
      DPS: Will consider all specs, but would love to add a dedicated Shadow Priest & Elemental Shaman.

      The Nitty Gritty
      If you're intrigued, please check out our wiki on the <Karma Horde> subreddit. This will give you a deeper dive into the raid team.
      https://www.reddit.com/r/FTH/wiki/tequilasundown

      Contact Us
      You can reach us on bnet: joat#1832 & lambkill#1856
      or Discord: joat#1832 & saever#4432
    • By Stan

      The latest Alpha Build added Blight - a new Mythic Keystone affix. Damage and healing done is increased when injured, and reduced when healthy.
      Blight is a new interesting Keystone affix added in Battle for Azeroth Alpha Build 26032. Damage and healing done is increased when injured, so it will be up to the healers to find the sweet spot between having party members deal more damage and dead, because healing a player to full health will not be efficient if your party wants to utilize the damage increase.
      Affix Description Blight Damage and healing done increased when injured, and reduced when healthy.
      Relentless is a second affix that might be added in Battle for Azeroth. It has been around for a while, but hasn't been implemented yet. When the affix is active, trash mobs are temporarily immune to Loss of Control effect, meaning they can't be feared, mind controlled, stunned, rooted etc. for a short period of time.
      Affix Description Relentless Non-boss enemies are granted temporary immunity to Loss of Control effects.
      We'll keep you updated about new affixes as they become available.
    • By Stan

      Battle for Azeroth goes back to standard weapon drops. Check out new faction-themed weapons from Warfronts!
      Warfronts in Battle for Azeroth drop faction-themed items and our first preview covers weapons!
      We datamined the following weapons related to Warfronts so far (Alpha Build 26032):
      Alliance
      Bows

      Daggers

      Guns

      Maces (1H)

      Maces (2H)

      Off-Hands

      Polearms

      Shields

      Staves

      Swords (1H)

      Swords (2H)

      Wands

      Horde
      Axes (1H)

      Axes (2H)

      Bows

      Daggers

      Guns

      Maces (1H)

      Maces (2H)

      Off-Hands

      Polearms

      Shields

      Staves

      Swords (1H)

      Wands

      Warglaives

    • By Stan

      The WoW MVP program will be moved to an application-based recruitment system soon. Existing MVPs should reapply for the process. Open recruitment begins early next week, after the President's Day holiday in NA.
      Blizzard (Source)
      <This is going to be a bit of a meta discussion, and not something focused on World of Warcraft, as a whole. Those of you who are active on the forums and among the other World of Warcraft communities will probably have more thoughts on this than those who visit the forums on rare occasion.>

      Hey guys!

      Over the past year we've had it on our plate to breathe a bit of life in the MVP program for World of Warcraft (you may have seen me mention it here and there, and I know the MVPs have been eagerly waiting for movement on this). After nearly a year of discussions, we're finally ready to start moving forward with a refresh of the MVP program for World of Warcraft!

      Most of our active posters here know that when the MVP program was founded, it's goal was to recognize active forums poster who contributed to our community through things like high-quality class guides or assisting and guiding new players with helpful information. While being active and posting in a constructive manner will still be something we take into account, we realize that we now live in a world with Icy Veins, Wowhead, Reddit, and numerous other communities that didn't necessarily exist at the onset of this project. This leads our MVP group to not being able to actively fulfill it's original purpose on our singular forums platform.

      All of this led us to think we needed to be realigning the purpose of the program slightly, as we want to more actively empower the group to engage in discussions with us on various community issues, happening on the forums and in our greater community. This would also include working to provide insight into community and gameplay feedback they may see around the community, with direct conversations between the WoW community team and the WoW MVP group as a whole on a regular basis, much as we do in our conversations with folks on Reddit, Discord, etc., something that hasn't been utilized to its best.

      To facilitate this, we will be moving the WoW MVP program to an application-based recruitment system, which will address a few concerns we have currently with the recruitment process, as well as letting us asked targeted questions to candidates during certain recruitment periods, and hopefully widening the audience. We expect to open recruitment early next week, after the President’s Day holiday, so be on the lookout for a thread if you're interested!

      Of note, these changes DO NOT affect any region or franchise outside of World of Warcraft in North America, and these changes also do not apply to our awesome Customer and Technical Support MVPs who do great things.

      We look forward to getting to work on the program and hearing your feedback!
      I hope this doesn't mean Crepe is losing his MVP status. I notice community MVPs are not listed as being spared these changes.
      We're asking the MVPs to reapply for the process, but we will be keeping everyone who is able to meet the newer standards going forward! 

      I wouldn't expect any of the familiar faces you know to go away unless it's their own choice.