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Stat Priority - Haste

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Hey hey,

 

My mage has been my main since WoTLK. I'm just curious as to why haste has gone from being our No. 1 stat priority, to dead last. Is it not still beneficial, more so than crit and mastery?

 

We have great crit chance with Shatter and haste increases pet dmg as well as lets us pump out FB faster which directly results to the possibility of more FFB procs. At the moment I'm sitting on 336ilvl and feel so sluggish getting frostbolts off, especially with fights requiring a lot of mobility. 

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I too have been looking at my haste stats slowly lowering item by item and cringeing each time, debating whether I should keep a lower level item with loads of haste in it, or scrolling through the AH to find an item enhance. Nothing I have picked up yet has gem slots. However I read somewhere, that we should be looking to improve our multistrike stats, and that this will help instead of haste. I am not convinced probably because I don't really understand what multistrike is all about. Would love to hear what others think and happy to be enlightened.

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Hey there guys! 

I can answer this in a pretty simple way.

The fact that haste is dead last aint true tbh,

you could play with alot of haste to and get good dps.

But the fact is that you need more haste than you need multistrike to put out the same amount of dps.

I dont know the exact maths for this but,

30% multistrike is around 1 out of 3 hits should be a multistrike wich can procc u 3 frostbolts wich then will do first 30% dmg and then after that it will do around 10% dmg.

If you want to play around with haste to get the same amount of dmg you would need around 60% haste if i didnt miscalculate.

And that would be hard to reach this early in an expansion since i have like 4.5% :P And i have about 20% multistrike.. 

 

I think haste will be a valuable stat to have under control later on in the expansion but only until you've reached a breakpoint and after that multistrike will become the absolute best again.

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Each of the two potential additional hits from multi strike can lead to brainfreeze procs, so that really makes that stat shine.

Between haste and crit I think it has to do with the multitude of abilities we have that generate fof. Fof itself only benefits from the lower gcd provided by haste, so the more you proc through means other than fb the less valuable haste becomes. The opposite is true for crit. The more often your casts are impacted by shatter the more often crit is getting 1.5x it's base value. T17 bonuses are also probably impacting this.

Less sure on reason for versatility being valued over haste/mastery without doing maths.

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Ninjaplupp, you are doing better than me! My haste has dropped to under 3%. I would prefer it to be higher, but I am just not picking up items with any haste in them, so I would have to enchant cloaks, add belt buckles, and what ever I else I can, in order to get a decent haste percentage back. My gear is changing so quickly, this doesn't seem to be a good way to spend my gold until I settle with some higher level gear. I am a stubborn old gal and am sticking with fire, which I started back in BC, despite suggestions that I should go to frost.

 

Fuzada, I am sorry, you have a much better understanding of the game than me, and I just don't understand all the letters and numbers you have used. Could you please explain what is fof? fb? procs/proc? T17? I should be able to work out what you mean if you could kindly explain these.

 

Many thanks,

 

Jac

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There are several reasons why haste has become quite bad.

I have only played frost since 5.4 so i can only comment on the changes since then.

Reasons why haste fell off.

1) Multstrike attunement and its role in procing Brain Freeze.

2) Raising the crit cap necessity. Considering that crit was a terribly strong stat till the cap for us it now remains to be so only the cap is raised.

Reasons for versatility and mastery and haste being roughly equal: In siege of oggrimar we really liked haste was our only way to increase the amount of FoF and BF procs per fight.

Now we have water jet, T172set AND frozen orb to generate FoF and Multistrike to generate BF.

We also have little versatility in gear inflatez the stat weight of vers from SimC.

Mastery is worse now partly because more of our damage comes from non Mastery generating spells (more FoF's).

Hope this gives some insight.

Edit: Forgot to m3ntion haste stacks multiplicatively so thr fact that we cant have high enough haste whilst prioritizing ms and crit makes us benefit very little by the raid buff

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There are several reasons why haste has become quite bad.

I have only played frost since 5.4 so i can only comment on the changes since then.

Reasons why haste fell off.

1) Multstrike attunement and its role in procing Brain Freeze.

2) Raising the crit cap necessity. Considering that crit was a terribly strong stat till the cap for us it now remains to be so only the cap is raised.

Reasons for versatility and mastery and haste being roughly equal: In siege of oggrimar we really liked haste was our only way to increase the amount of FoF and BF procs per fight.

Now we have water jet, T172set AND frozen orb to generate FoF and Multistrike to generate BF.

We also have little versatility in gear inflatez the stat weight of vers from SimC.

Mastery is worse now partly because more of our damage comes from non Mastery generating spells (more FoF's).

Hope this gives some insight.

Edit: Forgot to m3ntion haste stacks multiplicatively so thr fact that we cant have high enough haste whilst prioritizing ms and crit makes us benefit very little by the raid buff

5.4 versus previous tiers is about the same. I think the Haste changes in 6.0.0 is really what killed it. And to be fair, it killed it for a lot of classes.

 

Also, if you aren't in that 90-100 range then whatever gear you have works. At 90-100 all gear is predetermined by spec in quests. So you don't really need to worry about stat weights until 100.

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