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Heroes of the Storm Tassadar

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This thread is for comments our Tassadar build guide for Heroes of the Storm.

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I like this guide, but I've got one question: Should I go for Conjurer's Pursuit or Psi-Infusion in Blackheart's Bay, Dragon Shire and Haunted Mines? I was just wondering because the preferred level 1 talent choice wasn't mentioned on those maps :D I guess Conjurer's Pursuit is the right choice in Haunted Mines, due the games rarely lasting over 20 minutes.

Regardless, every writer has made a great first impression for me atleast, so I can safely use the builds and strategies of Icy Veins :D

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Hi Supajee, 

 

First of all, thank you for your kind words! On Dragon Shire and Blackheart's Bay I would recommend you to go for Conjurer's Pursuit. Haunted Mines games will normally be over quite quickly, so Psi-Infusion would be my favourite talent here. 

 

I do not know on what competitive level you play but whether you choose Conjurer's Pursuit or Psi-Infusion will usually not cause you to win or lose a game just because of that decision. :) I hope that response could help you out a bit. 

 

Regards,

 

Kendric

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i have a question, why the second heroic ability, force wall, had not been mentioned? Although it can be way more useful than archon.biggrin.png btw the guide is full and includes many details. Thanks for itbiggrin.png

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Hey Dizzy! 

 

We did not include Force Wall because it is an extremely situational ability. It has its uses, no doubt, however, we do not recommend taking it in competitive play (Hero League, Team League). 

 

Thank you for the positive feedback, I hope you're going to have a lot of great games with Tassadar! 

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Tassadar is such a an underrated hero. I read many times "don't pick Tassadar" or more vulgar sentences. He is not easy to play and doesn't do any thing in a spectacular way. I mean he has decent siege dmg (clearing minion waves), decent hero dmg (when enemies are close to each other Archon just rocks) and his shield is underrated as well cause many people only appreciate healing. Well used Oracle in a smart team can allow stealing bosses, camps, avoiding traps and many other things, most people just don't give enough credit to Oracle. His sustain is just lamazing due to dimensional shift and shield + supporting talents. Very versatile and good (but not great) in almost all aspects of a battle.

 

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I agree with you on almost all points. As I have been playing tassadar for about 9 lvls now. I guess it is more of a perspective of play style really with him. Since he is a support character I find myself picking rewind over twighlight a lot at 20. I find a well timed rewind can be more effective in team fights as that is what will be happening late stage. Tass is already a target on the field if you know anything about him and how he can change the outcome of fights. With archon your damage will be higher and you have a longer shield and range. With a well timed rewind I can shield two teammates or main target twice, place 4 psi storms and if I get in trouble I have 2x phase shift plus archon if needed, add healing ward in the mix I can not only sustain longer than anyone. I can keep my team members guarded longer or with 4 psi storms split a team up or cover retreat. I find this to be a bigger benefit than increasing my stats as Tass is not a dmg dealer or tank he is a support. Btw you can 4x psi storm siege buildings and I usually come out in top 3 in hero dmg and siege dmg. You have a great build though and thanks for the tips.

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I am not a big fan of Rewind, but the way your defend your choice makes sense (especially the double Dimension Shift sounds really interesting!). And as long as it works for you, who am I to tell you how to play? smile.png

 

Thank you for the input, Zagbok and keep rocklng! 

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I agree with you on almost all points. As I have been playing tassadar for about 9 lvls now. I guess it is more of a perspective of play style really with him. Since he is a support character I find myself picking rewind over twighlight a lot at 20. I find a well timed rewind can be more effective in team fights as that is what will be happening late stage. Tass is already a target on the field if you know anything about him and how he can change the outcome of fights. With archon your damage will be higher and you have a longer shield and range. With a well timed rewind I can shield two teammates or main target twice, place 4 psi storms and if I get in trouble I have 2x phase shift plus archon if needed, add healing ward in the mix I can not only sustain longer than anyone. I can keep my team members guarded longer or with 4 psi storms split a team up or cover retreat. I find this to be a bigger benefit than increasing my stats as Tass is not a dmg dealer or tank he is a support. Btw you can 4x psi storm siege buildings and I usually come out in top 3 in hero dmg and siege dmg. You have a great build though and thanks for the tips.

 

I am not a big fan of Rewind, but the way your defend your choice makes sense (especially the double Dimension Shift sounds really interesting!). And as long as it works for you, who am I to tell you how to play? smile.png

 

Thank you for the input, Zagbok and keep rocklng! 

I want to kiss BOTH OF YOU, first Zagbok thats right the part of the playstyle, its for example people complaining that players dont pick the improvements on Wraith walk (Leoric) and well its all abuot playstyle, maybe some are not that aggressive, others maybe hyper aggressive and those talents works for them bacause of that

 

And kendric im a fan dude, really nice person

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Hey guys with the new tass changes would you think a shield build be viable????? just wondering, well most curiosity because blizz wants him to be more "Support" in the way of bw for example, they change tyrande ultimate to heal now so maybe tass is getting that way


 

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Hey Kroshak. 

 

In fact, I changed the status to some of Tassadar's Shield talents (Leeching Plasma, Evasive Shielding) from Not Recommended to Situational. They can be pretty good now, if your team composition and the map you're playing on allows it! 

 

Edit: I'll also take a closer look to Tassadar's Force Wall this week. I think it could now have become a solid alternative due to the latest nerf to Archon.

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Hey Kroshak. 

 

In fact, I changed the status to some of Tassadar's Shield talents (Leeching Plasma, Evasive Shielding) from Not Recommended to Situational. They can be pretty good now, if your team composition and the map you're playing on allows it! 

 

Edit: I'll also take a closer look to Tassadar's Force Wall this week. I think it could now have become a solid alternative due to the latest nerf to Archon.

 

One thing, the part of the static charge is changed to the talent that increase dimensional shift duration, but in the reasons why it still shows the static charge one reason,

 

The force wall pretty much reminds me of Gandalf, is the ultimate "you shall not pass", good in some maps where there are a lot of choke points or where there is only 2 paths to an objective, (bottom temple of Sky temple map), also it does needs xp from the player because it can really disupt team fights by denying divers the support from their team, but can also screw up your own team

 

You can use that ultimate to perform the shotgun build of tyrael but thats way to predictable in my opinion

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Hi, great guide!  Couple questions about level 4 specifically.  Static Charge has a big "X" through it, but it's the first thing listed under "Recommended"; conversely, "Deep Shift" has a checkmark but is "not recommended."  Were these switched by accident?  I assume the text is the actual opinion.  Thank you!

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Okay, should be fixed for real now. Sorry for the confusion. 

 

Still shows the old Quick Reference. Do we have to wait for some time to show up properly?

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Khala's Embrace is recommended for the second build in the Quick reference, but it is called "one of the most useless talents in Tassadar's repertoire" on the talent build page.

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To be honest I expected a better guide, gotta criticize some of the choices:

 

LvL 1: Psi-Infusion 95% of the times if not always, you don't have to chase mana regen globes and till lvl 20 or so it is more efficient and it actually lets you use your Psionic Storm on cooldown, it's basically free, the game has to last very long to make the other talent efficient, besides, people who look for guides don't play on the highest level and can't use the talents at their best. In my case 100% Psi-Infusion

 

LvL 4: Leeching Plasma 80% of the times, it is really useful for melees or any other chars who just jump in and do damage and need the extra heal. Actually, you can make this talent useful in all situations, not only it (the talent) is mobile, unlike Healing Ward, but it is also binded to your ability on a short cooldown, and if nothing else, it doesn't give you one extra button to click (for those people who are lazy to click many buttons, that's okay). In my case 100% Leeching Plasma

 

LvL 7: This is a bit hard and not so important I think, never won or lost a game cause of this tier of talents, but I've had cases where Deep Shift saved my life couple of times. Khala's Embrace isn't bad, but the shield that it gives is not that big, also, most of the times 60-100% of your shield already gets taken off, so what's the real use of this talent..?! So it all comes down to either Deep Shift or Static Charge, go for the one that you feel more comfortable with.

 

LvL 10: Force Wall, this doesn't need discussing, this is the talent you should go for in every cases. The fact that it splits, traps, saves lives is just... it carries the game alone, it is one of the best abilities in the game. If you don't make a good use of this talent then just... don't bother to get it, or play Tassadar at all, this is what wins games.

 

LvL 13: Prescience in most cases. The exception is to go for Shrink Ray if enemy has a bursty char, such as butcher, or a char with Stim active on him/her. If you can't time the Shrink Ray and don't know when or how to use it then go for Prescience, it will save your life in quite a few situations, it's like a 2nd chance if you get too greedy to go back. Distortion Beam can secure many kills, but Tassadar is a ranged support who doesn't go close to targets and casts spells from range, you don't wanna chase anyone, even with this talent.

 

LvL 16: I like this talent tier. In here you either have to go Dimensional Warp or Second Strike. but for me it's Second Strike most of the times, I like beeing offensive, besides, when your Dimensional Shift gets activated you are pretty much out of combat and won't go back, it's like emergency escape for you. You think the heal is good 'cause you feel safe with the healing and more hp, but the damage that you can put out with Second Strike will win games and secure many kills. I got so used of Second Strike that I always go for it, I can play better with it.

 

LvL 20: The only choice here, the Storm Shield, a good use of this ability helps your team so much that it can win the whole team fight for your team, this talent is so good compared to the other ones in this tier is that you don't even have to consider picking another talent.

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That is your personal opinion. You do not give any reason why we should take your word for granted. Who are you? Are you a pro player? Are you a developer? What makes you an expert to rightfully claim the "one true" way of playing Tassadar?

 

By limiting Tassadar, one of the most flexible Heroes in the game, to a single talent each tier, you ignore what Heroes of the Storm is all about: adjusting your talents to the current flow of the game. Blizzard has rigorously tried to make several talent builds viable, depending on what role your team needs. As such, it is irresponsible and foolish to say things like (I quote) "You should go for Force Wall in every case" or "Leeching Plasma 80% of the time". You even recommend questionable talents like Deep Shift, which is a rare sight in the highest tiers of competitive play. 

 

Also, some of the advice you give is just straight-up nonsense. To say that Psi-Infusion at Level 1 is clearly better than Conjurer's Pursuit will make every pro player out there giggle. I have cast professional tournaments like DreamHack Winter, in which Tassadar was one of the most contested picks, and in almost every case Conjurer's Pursuit was picked. 

 

That's another thing you entirely neglect in your post. Not every player has the same skill level. A beginner will have a hard time using Force Wall efficiently, for instance, and as such should go for Archon. Also, Hero League and Quick Matches sometimes require different (i.e."safer") builds compared to Team League simply due to the lack of communication. 

 

I'm absolutely open for constructive criticism, but I'm afraid to say that I cannot take your post seriously. 

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      This week’s brawl is Lost Cavern! It’s all-out mayhem on our single-lane battleground – Lost Cavern. Queue up, choose your Hero, and try to best to bring down the enemy Core!

      Rules:
      Shuffle pick - Choose from one of three Heroes before entering the battle. Standard play - no talent or level restrictions. The first team to destroy the enemy Core wins! Rewards:
      Complete three matches of Lost Cavern to earn a Loot Chest! Find out more about the Heroes Brawl game mode on our Heroes Brawl site; and as always, you can find more information on this week’s Brawl by clicking the Brawl Info button at the bottom of the play screen when preparing to queue for the Brawl game mode.
    • By Stan

      Blizzard just rolled out a patch with various bug fixes. Check out the full patch notes! 
      Blizzard (Source)
      Bug Fixes
      Heroes, Talents, & Abilities
      Genji: Fixed an issue preventing certain cleave attacks, such as Malthael’s Basic Attacks and Xul’s Cursed Strikes, from removing stacks of Genji’s Dodge. Ice Block: Fixed an issue allowing certain Abilities to be cast during Ice Block, including Jaina’s Ice Blink, Brightwing’s Storm Shield, and Malfurion’s Astral Communion. Jaina: The Wintermute Talent now correctly causes Jaina’s Water Elemental to mimic her Basic Abilities. Lunara: The Galloping Gait Talent no longer permanently grants a permanent Movement Speed bonus. Tyrael: The Stalwart Angel Talent’s tooltip now displays the correct values for its duration and Armor bonus. Maiev: Casting Spirit of Vengeance just as a Core is destroyed will no longer cause the Spirit to cease animating. Maiev: Activating Naisha’s Memento will now correctly display an icon indicating its duration in the buff bar. Nova: Fixed an issue causing Holo Decoys to deal slightly more damage than intended after learning Lethal Decoy. Rehgar: The Rising Storm Talent will no longer increase Lightning Shield’s damage versus non-Heroic enemies.
    • By Oxygen
         
      Our fifteenth Heroes of the Storm Meta Tier list for the Blaze patch of January is here!
      We present our fifteenth Heroes of the Storm Meta Tier List for the Blaze patch of January 2018.
      Note: This list also takes the January 16 balance patch into account.
      Welcome to Icy Veins's Meta Tier List for the Blaze patch. The goal if of this list is to try and detail game's current metagame state. The prime goal of such lists is to inform players regarding popular and trending team composition drafting strategies (i.e. the drafting metagame). Although tier listings are generally the product of balance, many factors come into play when discussing the relative perceived strengths of heroes, including player regions, maps, play style, skill level, and, of course, personal perception. As such, any tier list—including this very one—should never be interpreted as gospel, but rather, as a guide to better grasp what to expect with regards to typical drafting experiences. One useful application of such lists is to allow you know which heroes to look out for in terms of practice and counterplay, ultimately improving your knowledge of the game.
      Using the list
      As stated above, tier lists are easy to mistake for gospel. As new strategies are discovered and experimented with, so changes the perception of the relative strengths of each hero. Tier lists still prove to be useful as a snapshot of player expectations in terms of drafting. Although it is generally considered preferable to focus on high tier heroes (Prime and Core tiers), it is important to note that Heroes of the Storm's wild character and map designs make it so that any given hero's tier position is prone to fluctuate depending on the situation at hand.
      One classic example of such is that of Kerrigan on the Infernal Shrines map. Although we currently judge her to be a low-to-mid-tier hero, her drafting priority shoots up to first-pick or first-ban material on this specific map due to the nature of its objective. Certain heroes also synergise so well with each other that the sole fact of having the opportunity of drafting them together is generally enough to increase their potential. Tassadar and Tracer, for instance, are generally nightmarish to deal with for many. There are too many examples of these interactions to reasonably produce here, but we invite you to consult our guides to know exactly where and when each hero shines. The guides have been linked in the lists below for your convenience - just click any of the hero names to access them.
      A ↑ next to a hero's name means its tier list position has increased since the previous month whereas a ↓ means just the opposite. Additionally, a + or - sign indicates short-to-medium term predictions (which is to say, about a month) for tier increase(s) or decrease(s), respectively. These are often updated after significant balance patches and/or when clear trends are emerging.
      If you're newer to the game, also consider visiting our glossary for a comprehensive list of discrete Heroes of the Storm terms.
      Current map rotation
       
      Prime Tier
      Warrior Assassin Support Specialist Arthas Genji - - E.T.C. Greymane     Sonya↑ Hanzo↑↑↑     Prime tier heroes are considered to be extremely strong in all situations, and show no obvious weakness. They are very often banned or picked right away, as they generally dictate the pace of most matches.
       
      Core Tier
      Warrior Assassin Support Specialist Anub'arak Falstad Alexstrasza↑ Azmodan Dehaka Junkrat↑↑ Brightwing Nazeebo Diablo Kerrigan Lúcio Zagara Muradin Li-Ming Stukov↑ Sylvanas↑  Stitches Malthael↓ Uther   Varian (Tank) Nova↓-       Valla       Zul'jin     Core tier heroes are strong in a wide variety of situations and have few counter-picking possibility. They should form the core of your team, and be picked after Prime Tier heroes have been distributed.
       
      Viable Tier
      Warrior Assassin Support Specialist Artanis Alarak Ana Abathur D.Va Cassia Auriel Murky Garrosh Chromie Kharazim Probius Johanna Gul'dan Li Li+ Sgt. Hammer↑ Leoric Illidan Lt. Morales Xul Zarya Jaina Malfurion (reworked)+   Blaze (new) Kael'thas Rehgar   Tyrael (reworked)↑ Kel'Thuzad Tyrande     Lunara       Ragnaros       Samuro       The Butcher       Thrall↑       Tracer       Valeera↓↓-       Zeratul+     Viable tier heroes are generally well-rounded that have either fallen out of favour, or, inversely, are on the rise in popularity, due to the current Prime tier contenders.
       
      Niche Tier
      Warrior Assassin Support Specialist Chen Cho'gall Tassadar Gazlowe Cho'gall Raynor   Medivh Rexxar Tychus       Varian (Damage)     Niche tier heroes have niche application on certain maps or for certain team compositions. They are generally picked to "round out" your team composition when your team composition is missing out on key components, such as a "jungler" (mercenary camps), a solo laner, or solid waveclear.
       
      Bottom Tier
      The Lost Vikings Bottom tier Heroes are deemed to be either considerably weaker than the majority of other Heroes, or much more challenging to play properly. Although they may situationally shine, these Heroes are generally avoided by most players.
       
      Metagame assessment
      Happy new year to everyone. This list is a tad late, as was the last one, but I was, once again, waiting for one of those odd rework patches that come out a week after featured hero releases and go untested on the PTR for some reason. HGC matches also began just yesterday, meaning that new trends  are likely to emerge shortly; today saw unexpected Cassia, Tychus, and Leoric make an appearance, which was certainly exciting. As per usual, I'll be updating the list as I see fit throughout the next few weeks. The last few lists have generated quite a bit of discussion, which is great to see. Although I cannot reasonably respond to every comment, I do read everything posted. Keep it up!
      Blaze. My initial PTR assessment of the hero, which was quite positive, was followed by a sudden realization: he does a lot of things well, but nothing exceptionally well. Blaze is the quintessential jack of all trades, master of none type hero. Generally, that's not a particularly desirable trait, because heroes are generally picked for their niches to either counter opponents or synergise with allies. For a warrior, he can't really solo tank, meaning he often ends up in that strange spot where you need a pretty well fleshed out team composition to make him work. But when he works, he does work well. He can hold his own in a solo lane, but his waveclear isn't quite good enough to deal with mercenary camps pushing before Grill and Kill, which can be frustrating. Certain heroes, such as Leoric and Malthael, completely shut him down as well. This leads me to believe that he won't see much tournament play if at all, unless teams are messing around. Viable as a late pick when you don't really know what else to pick because your team composition is already fine.
      Sonya. She's currently the most popular pick in the game. You can't go wrong with a bulky solo laner that can duel nearly anyone, output as much damage as an assassin, and clear mercenary camps with ease. Leap lets her setup really well if your team composition lends itself to that. Still, I don't think she deserves bans.
      Hanzo. This important Overwatch figurehead could just not be allowed to remain seen as underpowered for over a month. After unsuccessfully giving him a blanket 10% damage buff across the board following poor PTR feedback, Blizzard adopted the bolder strategy of making his basic attacks deal ability levels of damage thanks to the Sharpened Arrowheads changes. What was initially supposed to be a difficult to master skillshot-based hero now  has access to what is arguably the most powerful basic attack in the game, though the Serrated Arrows + Never Outmatched combo I discussed last patch remains useful for trivializing map objectives on Battlefield of Eternity and Infernal Shrines while allowing Hanzo to solo any mercenary camp from level 7 and on. With the help of another hero, bosses also become possible at this level. Losing map control or suffering one or two early deaths against Hanzo is devastating. Explosive Arrows lets him waveclear relatively well too, though particularly with Piercing Arrows for double hits on minions. The Natural Agility range increase made it much more usable, to where Hanzo can now reliably escape most if not all heroes with proper positioning. It is interesting to note that these buffs coincided with Hanzo's first free week.
      Junkrat. The proverbial death of the double healer meta means it's time for sustained poke to shine. Junkrat's popularity exploded recently as players discovered that a mix of reliable ranged waveclear, playmaking (through Concussion Mine) and potentially fight winning RIP-Tire hits made the hero a force to be reckoned with. Just be sure to pick up Endless Nades; that's your late-game damage.
      Malthael. Hanzo does really well against him, so I'm not surprised by the dip in popularity. Malthael is still very powerful, though unlikely to draw bans before second round, if at all. Always a solid pick against double tank as well as a solo laner.
      Nova. She (along with Valeera) were allowed to remain oppressive for quite a while, benefiting from the turmoil generated by the stealth rework and Blizzard employees taking a couple weeks off for the holidays. Nova is now in a good spot, with clear counters and niches, though I'm still disliking how easy Lethal Decoy makes her to play. I feel like she'll keep a potential caster meta in check for quite some time now that she's back on the radar.
      Alexstrasza. She's doing rather well. Dragonqueen is now being appropriately treated (though not quite respected by opponents) as a heroic ability by players to fight over objectives and while sieging.
      Stukov. His high healing output makes him rather strong in a poke-heavy meta. I think players are going to experiment with the Growing Infestation + Virulent Reaction (+ Bio-Explosion Switch) combo to make Stukov a lot more aggressive than we're used to seeing him be. Flailing Swipe continues to be great as a pseudo-Mighty Gust in terms of disengaging. Stukov is probably one of the best solo "all purpose" hero leaguing healer at the moment.
      Sylvanas. Any change to minion or structure damage end up being indirect buffs or nerfs to Sylvanas. Since structures were recently buffed again and Sylvanas's direct counters were nerfed quite heavily, I think she's back to being relatively high priority. Possession is really strong now, as is Mercenary Queen, though only if there's nothing for Barbed Shot to work on.
      Tyrael. Though he's not notably more powerful than he was before, I think his rework opened up a viable bruiser build for him, increasing his versatility. He's sitting at a healthy 50% win rate at the time of writing. HGC already saw him picked rather often - though, that's pre-Tyrael patch, where he is arguably weaker - , and I'm certainly looking forward to see what kind of builds players are going to gravitate towards. Holy Ground is still great, and comes online 3 levels earlier than it did before.
      Valeera. She suffered the same fate as Nova, though her overly simplistic ability set makes small nerfs very impactful. At the end of the day, she's probably going to require a broad rework, because as of right now, she either bursts her target down and feels "unfair", or doesn't and feel "worthless". Right now, she's erring on the side of the latter.
      Malfurion. Possibly one of the best rework ever done, though his vastly increased skill cap may make him less popular. His sustained healing output is excellent, but his lack of burst management still makes him difficult to play.