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Heroes of the Storm Murky

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This thread is for comments about our Murky build guide for Heroes of the Storm.

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It should be noted that "Slime Advantage" is very useful on Battlefield of Eternity, because on that map Murky will usually try to get as much DPS on the enemy Immortal as possible (you're frequently the "DPS guy" while your team is defending green). Unfortunately it competes with "Clairvoyance", which is also very strong on that map.

It is also generally a strong talent in all scenarios where you're often helping to kill "boss" enemies (Garden of Terror comes to mind).

Since you're giving up on "Compressed Air", it should of course not be taken on maps where you'll regularly be waveclearing a lot (that's of course not true for Battlefield of Eternity). I don't think that the zoning power of Pufferfish alone mandates taking "Compressed Air".

Maybe this can be reflected in the talent selection guide.

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I deleted the above post, which seemed to be a duplicate (with the guest username "sigi", which, I assume was you).

 

It should be noted that "Slime Advantage" is very useful on Battlefield of Eternity, because on that map Murky will usually try to get as much DPS on the enemy Immortal as possible (you're frequently the "DPS guy" while your team is defending green). Unfortunately it competes with "Clairvoyance", which is also very strong on that map.

It is also generally a strong talent in all scenarios where you're often helping to kill "boss" enemies (Garden of Terror comes to mind).

Since you're giving up on "Compressed Air", it should of course not be taken on maps where you'll regularly be waveclearing a lot (that's of course not true for Battlefield of Eternity). I don't think that the zoning power of Pufferfish alone mandates taking "Compressed Air".

Maybe this can be reflected in the talent selection guide.

 

I find Slime Advantage to be a bittersweet talent; I personally like the talent's design, find it fun to use, and generally agree with your assessment. Though I do not recommend the talent, I do make the following and unusually editorial-esque note in the talents section of the guide:
 

"Slime Advantage makes Murky's Basic Attack damage surprisingly strong, nearly able to match that of Assassins. The main issue with Slime Advantage, however, is that Murky seldom has the ability to consistently attack Heroes to reap the benefits of the talent. Still, it should be given serious consideration against team compositions that feature two healers, as they may have trouble pushing off an aggressive Murky player. It is also worth mentioning that the talent makes taking Mercenary Camps very easy."

 

 

Simply put, I find it a bit too situational. Yes, it helps with boss-like mercenaries, and yes it punishes certain team compositions. However, its recommended alternative tends to be much more team-fighting friendly. We tend to focus on the talents that most consistently improve your chances of having an impact. I'll probably see to rate the talent as a situational pick (over non-recommended), however, as a result of your feedback.

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I've been finding that taking bribe on Haunted Mines is super effective. It is easy to quickly cap the giants when the mines open and either force the team to peel away to deal with them or you get free xp since they don't sit in the minion lanes and get free shots.

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I've been finding that taking bribe on Haunted Mines is super effective. It is easy to quickly cap the giants when the mines open and either force the team to peel away to deal with them or you get free xp since they don't sit in the minion lanes and get free shots.

Agreed; I do make mention of it in the guide, in the abilities section:

"Though icon-murky-bribe.png Bribe has been falling out favour as of the latest patch, it has a niche yet potent application on the Haunted Mines map, where it can be used to deny your opponents' side's Ogre Mercenary Camp."

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I feel like Tychus should be included as a hard counter to Murky.. Can easily auto attack down pufferfish. His  Q and grenade combo takes care of murky in short order.

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I find this guide very unrealistic in a QM. Maybe this build works for AI, but in a real game it doesn't make any sense at all unless you're some Korean player with ultra fast APM. Even so, a lot of it seems extremely situational and depends on what allies you have. A typical Murky game, your objective is harassment, trolling, and throwing your enemy off the game.

In a realistic game, you want the bubble movement, it gets you out of danger faster. I've considered the block ability, but still the movement is far superior and got me out of tight spots many times. You also want the increase radius of the slim b/c Murky actually doesn't have any movement increase in comparison to other heroes. If you want to harass with slime, a larger AOE helps a lot. Building your hero around pufferfish is ineffective. In a real game pufferfish is utterly useless. Unless their team is stunned and allowing you to use it in combo, otherwise all they have to do is WALK out of the AOE. I've never seen a player bother wasting time attacking the pufferfish. They just walk away. Only time pufferfish becomes useful is when you get the slime upgrade for it. This allows you to toss a slim literally, then follow up by your slim ability immediately for bonus damage. I follow that with octograb and finish with another slime as the fish explodes. Instantly killing almost any non-warrior hero. Rewind works if you are facing 1 hero in a 1v1. In a crowded game, you'll die before you get a chance to rewind anything. 

I've seen murkies out there using similar build as this guide and I just laugh at them as I own them.

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I feel like Tychus should be included as a hard counter to Murky.. Can easily auto attack down pufferfish. His  Q and grenade combo takes care of murky in short order.

 

Safety Bubble does, however, completely stop Tychus' Q. He's not bad against Murky, but probably not a clear-cut counter like Li-Ming, whom I still need to add.

 

4. Summary of Tips and Tricks

Second point says about Cleanse (Uther) instead Pufferfish (Murky).

 

Intended.

 

I find this guide very unrealistic in a QM. Maybe this build works for AI, but in a real game it doesn't make any sense at all unless you're some Korean player with ultra fast APM. Even so, a lot of it seems extremely situational and depends on what allies you have. A typical Murky game, your objective is harassment, trolling, and throwing your enemy off the game.

In a realistic game, you want the bubble movement, it gets you out of danger faster. I've considered the block ability, but still the movement is far superior and got me out of tight spots many times. You also want the increase radius of the slim b/c Murky actually doesn't have any movement increase in comparison to other heroes. If you want to harass with slime, a larger AOE helps a lot. Building your hero around pufferfish is ineffective. In a real game pufferfish is utterly useless. Unless their team is stunned and allowing you to use it in combo, otherwise all they have to do is WALK out of the AOE. I've never seen a player bother wasting time attacking the pufferfish. They just walk away. Only time pufferfish becomes useful is when you get the slime upgrade for it. This allows you to toss a slim literally, then follow up by your slim ability immediately for bonus damage. I follow that with octograb and finish with another slime as the fish explodes. Instantly killing almost any non-warrior hero. Rewind works if you are facing 1 hero in a 1v1. In a crowded game, you'll die before you get a chance to rewind anything. 

I've seen murkies out there using similar build as this guide and I just laugh at them as I own them.

 

Seems we've enjoyed experiences that are quite different. I do make the following remark under the talent section for Murky: "Still, talents comes down to personal preference, and every talent should be experimented with."

Murky is, funnily enough, pretty polarizing when it comes to his talents, so I'm not surprised by your comment.

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Bubble doesn't stop tychus' Q it only stops damage. Tychus can still follow while in Q and often times get a kill by staying close and autoattacking him back down to finish him off with a grenade. I think you are underestimating the ability Tychus has to easily take out the pufferfish. Your other three choices of murky counters (Nova, Uther, Sonya) don't have much of a chance of stopping the pufferfish from going off at all. I think it's a mistake to not consider how hard/impossible it might be to stop murky's laning ability when deciding who the hard counters are for his character.

 

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You say March of the Murlocs lacks versatility, when it's Octo-Grab that's one-note. It only has one use: hold a target in place. Granted, it fills that one use extremely well, and I respect the Hell out of it for that, but I find it too situational and it makes Murky too vulnerable for the duration for my personal taste.

 

March on the other hand can be used in a multitude of ways. It's an effective siege tool, it's an effective zoning tool, and it's an effective AoE damage tool. And while Murky can be interrupted while casting, once cast he doesn't need to be alive for it to do its job. As far as I'm concerned, the only drawback to March is it's absurd cooldown.

 

While it's true that certain talents, builds, and even heroes are generally easier to use effectively than others for most players, there really is no such thing as "unviable", and thinking there is I feel promotes toxicity where QM and HL teams will self-destruct on someone who dares to think outside the box.

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On 7/3/2016 at 6:53 AM, Guest Senator Binks said:

Talents, builds, and even heroes are generally easier to use effectively than others for most players, there really is no such thing as "unviable", and thinking there is I feel promotes toxicity where QM and HL teams will self-destruct on someone who dares to think outside the box.

I know what you mean, and if it were up to me, I'd label everything as situational (bar a few specific ones). But, in the end, we are a guide site, and guides are always as up-to-date as they respond to the current metagame. I'm the first to dislike self fulfilling prophecies and talent expectations but whether we want it or not, 90% of players do not think that way (and some of them do not think at all!). We're trying to be reasonably flexible.

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Wow there seem to be a lot of strongly opinionated murky players around here. I'm a pretty open minded guy and I NEVER use absolutes when discussing hots strats. Now lets talk about counters... Tracer is the worst murky counter in the game. This is not an opinion. It is true in every match, on every map, in every region, in every galaxy, in every dimension. Tracer has removed murky from the meta and is currently mopping up the residual slime. Murky can't hit her. Murky can't run from her. What fishtank? ...and his pufferfish exploded before it was an idea... and you're dead... and it will all happen again 2% faster 5 seconds from now... But revenge is sweet. That one time... when tracer is contemplating which way she wants to prepare her murlock supper a moment too long and doesn't instantly blink away, recall, or simply attack at the sight of a pufferfish... murky seizes his opportunity and pounces with the octo! Tragically he realizes a moment later that he has something sticky attached to his chest. *Thud*

In short, Tracer can go mrrgl herself.

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On 10/26/2016 at 9:03 PM, Guest Dan said:

In short, Tracer can go mrrgl herself.

Sounds like you're quite the fan! :D

I believe that there are updates to the entire section that are coming in the future, so I'm sure the counters section will be updated to included any newer heroes.

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On 10/26/2016 at 4:03 PM, Guest Dan said:

Wow there seem to be a lot of strongly opinionated murky players around here. I'm a pretty open minded guy and I NEVER use absolutes when discussing hots strats. Now lets talk about counters... Tracer is the worst murky counter in the game. This is not an opinion. It is true in every match, on every map, in every region, in every galaxy, in every dimension. Tracer has removed murky from the meta and is currently mopping up the residual slime. Murky can't hit her. Murky can't run from her. What fishtank? ...and his pufferfish exploded before it was an idea... and you're dead... and it will all happen again 2% faster 5 seconds from now... But revenge is sweet. That one time... when tracer is contemplating which way she wants to prepare her murlock supper a moment too long and doesn't instantly blink away, recall, or simply attack at the sight of a pufferfish... murky seizes his opportunity and pounces with the octo! Tragically he realizes a moment later that he has something sticky attached to his chest. *Thud*

In short, Tracer can go mrrgl herself.

Tracer is easily countered with Bigger Slime, Slime Advantage and Continious Slime, as is does agains most squichy assassins.

 

I would also mention Brightwing in the Countered By page. His Phaseshift will let him join any hero you are fighting and his Polymorph will silence your bubble. He can easily chase Murky and counter it.

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On January 25, 2017 at 11:06 PM, Guest LtBel said:

Tracer is easily countered with Bigger Slime, Slime Advantage and Continious Slime, as is does agains most squichy assassins.

 

I would also mention Brightwing in the Countered By page. His Phaseshift will let him join any hero you are fighting and his Polymorph will silence your bubble. He can easily chase Murky and counter it.

Even with all three of those talents, a good Tracer won't let you get near her and kite you to death. The slow is alright, but because BlinkBlink has such a short cooldown, she can out DPS you any day. It's also worth mentioning you're just feeding her if she took Untouchable, as she can now kill you even faster with the 2% basic attack DPS increase. Octo-GrabOcto-Grab won't do anything for the basic attack/slime build you mention here, and she can negate March of the MurlocsMarch of the Murlocs damage over time with RecallRecall, meaning Murky can only deal damage if she wastes her blinks unnecessarily, something which doesn't happen if she's a half decent player.

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On 1/26/2017 at 5:06 AM, Guest LtBel said:

Tracer is easily countered with Bigger Slime, Slime Advantage and Continious Slime, as is does agains most squichy assassins.

 

I would also mention Brightwing in the Countered By page. His Phaseshift will let him join any hero you are fighting and his Polymorph will silence your bubble. He can easily chase Murky and counter it.

The Tracer point has already been answered above, so I won't repeat what Nite already said.

As for Brightwing, this is the same way that Brightwing counters pretty much any hero. It's not really a Murky-specific counter. Murky can just bubble and run away before Brightwing even joins the fight. 

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On 1/29/2017 at 8:37 PM, Niteshadow said:

Even with all three of those talents, a good Tracer won't let you get near her and kite you to death. 

Thanks for helping to answer :)

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1 hour ago, Guest MurkGod said:

When will we be getting an updated build guide for the new GOD tier Murky?

I second this motion. Hopefully it'll be updated soon, some of his new stuff is very interesting 

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On 19. 2. 2017 at 8:59 PM, MurkyFelix said:

I second this motion. Hopefully it'll be updated soon, some of his new stuff is very interesting 

The guide has been updated to the new format :)

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This is quoted from your guide:

Although classified as a Specialist, Murky very much plays like an Assassin; his primary team fighting goal is to single-out key opponents for quick, one-sided kills......

However the build that you provide us with have nothing to do with this description, why?. Check this build that I will left here, it would fit current Murky Meta players way better than the one on the site.

https://www.icy-veins.com/heroes/talent-calculator/murky#23.0!1112114 This build will apply way more burst and quick kills that the current one on the web. There are a few variation for example in the Talents 1 and in the Talents 13 but out of that this Slime build its the best out there for Murky. Looking ahead for responses.

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The fact that there's only one build shown is a shame, as Murky has a lot more variation than just one build.

Slime build: https://www.icy-veins.com/heroes/talent-calculator/murky#26.0!2112114

Slime build makes him a reliable burst damage assassin. I think the balanced build also works, but only to a certain extent and the other build provides much more reliable damage, dealing around 700 dps, while the balanced build deals around 600 dps at level 20. The balanced build brings a lot more utility and survivability, but on maps like Battlefield of Eternity or Infernal Shrines, more damage is required. Living the DreamLiving the Dream is heavily outweighed by Slime TimeSlime Time when combined with Toxic BuildupToxic Buildup and Making InkyMaking Inky, and while Fish OilFish Oil has more range and usage in laning, Toxic Buildup deals more raw damage in the end. Big Tuna KahunaBig Tuna Kahuna is a great talent sure, but without Making Inky, this build won't work. In essence it's a build for a game where you have little risk of dying, for example against a double tank double healer comp or when you're playing with heroes like Tassadar, who can can protect you in the absence of Big Tuna Kahuna. 

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I like the speed and CD reduction on the bubble.  It works really well with the heal on the bubble and makes you VERY hard to catch.  I also get Fish Oil as you can easily clear a wave mid game with Pufferfish and Slime (which feeds bribe without having to sit and attack minions), and even if they destroy the fish it isn't a total waste.  It just allows you to be much more annoying than some of these talents. 

I focus more on drawing attention from objectives and stealing camps than trying to help win team fights.  You can often draw 1-2 people away from the objectives and also if you get Fish Oil you can quickly clear a lane and join team fights anyway.  The bubble upgrades also allow you to really harass the back line better, which is nice because you can take the mage out of the team fight and often kill them (and sometimes draw the support off the tanks).  So far I am 13-1 in QM with that build/play style.  Not sure it is going to work in a drafted situation, but against random comps it can own.

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      Level 1 Chew Your Food (E) Removed Dampen Magic (Passive) Removed Heavy Slam (W) Removed Hungry for More (Passive) New functionality: Quest: Regen Globes grant 30 permanent Health Every 15 Regen globes, Stitches gains 5% permanent Movement speed up to a maximum of 20% Savor the Flavor (E) Additional heal over time effect duration reduced from 5 to 4 seconds. Moved from level 7 New Functionality: Casting Devour on a Hero restores an additional 10% of maximum Health and Mana over 5 seconds and permanently increases Stitches’ health regeneration by 1. New Talent: Patchwork Creation (Passive) Increase all healing received by 15%. Nearby Minion and Hero kills Heal Stiches (Minions for 30, Heroes for 300) Hero takedown heal amount reduced from 300 to 240 Level 4 Amplified Healing (Passive) Removed Restorative Fumes (Trait) Removed Putrid Ground (W) Removed New Talent – Playtime! (W) Heroes hit by Slam reduce the cooldowns of Stitches's other Basic Abilities by .5 seconds. This cooldown reduction is increased to 2 seconds for Heroes that are hit by Slam's inner impact area. New Talent – Chop Chop (W) Hitting a Hero with the inner area of Slam increases Stitches' Basic Attack Speed by 50% for 4 seconds. New Talent: Serrated Edge (Q) Hooking an enemy Hero deals 5% of their max life as damage and decreases Hook’s cooldown by 4 seconds. Cooldown reduction decreased from 4 to 3 seconds. Level 7 Last Bite (E) Removed New Talent - Blight (Trait) Vile Gas heals for 33% of the damage it deals. Activate to apply Vile Gas to all nearby enemies and reduce their healing taken by 20% for 5 seconds. 40 second CD Cannibalize (Passive) Moved from level 20 New functionality: Heroes hit by Basic Attacks and Slam’s inner area heal Stitches for 2% of his maximum health. Healing reduced from 2 to 1.75% of maximum health Tenderizer (Passive) New functionality: Basic Attacks slow the target by 25% for 2.5 seconds. If the target is afflicted with Slam’s Slow, refresh its duration. Level 13 Flea Bag (Passive) Removed Mega Smash (W) Removed Indigestion (E) Removed New Talent – Lacerate (W) Slam afflicts enemies with Vile Gas and reduces armor by 10 for 4 seconds. New Talent – Digestive Juices (E) Devouring an enemy Hero reduces their damage dealt by 40% for 4 seconds. New Talent – Gas Flare (Passive) Stitches deals 16 damage per second to enemies around you. This damage is increased by 150% for 4 seconds after successfully Hooking an enemy Hero Damage per second reduced from 16 to 15 Level 16 Pulverize (W) New functionality: Slam slows all enemies by 75% for 1 second. Slow duration reduced from 1 to .75 seconds. Shish Kabob (Q) Removed Toxic Gas (Passive) Removed Fishing Hook (Q) Range bonus increased from 40 to 50% New Talent - Meat Hook (Q) Hooking an enemy Hero restores 16% of maximum health over 4 seconds. For 4 seconds, Basic Attacks against the Hooked Hero will refresh the duration of this healing effect. Level 20 New Talent – Second Helping (E) Gain an additional charge of Devour. Devouring an enemy Hero reduces the cooldown of your Heroic ability by 5 seconds. New Talent – Shambling Horror (Active) Passive: Stitches is no longer affected by Slowing effects Activate to gain 50 Armor for 4 seconds. 60 second CD.   Collection
      Many seasonal items have made their way back into the collection and will be available for crafting and in Loot Chests for a limited time!
      New Bundles
      The following new bundles are only available for a limited time! Toy Heroes Bundle Cuddle Bear Stitches Skin Pack Cosmic Force Valeera Skin Pack Dehakasaurus Rex Skin Pack New Skins (Limited Time Only!)
      Stitches Cuddle Bear Stitches Snuggle Bear Stitches Honey Bear Stitches Dehaka Dehakasaurus Rex Dino-Metal Dehakasaurus Rex Playtime Dehakasaurus Rex Valeera Cosmic Force Valeera Psionic Cosmic Force Valeera Nega Force Valeera Sylvanas Mint Sugar Plum Sylvanas New Mounts (Limited Time Only!)
      Cosmic Lion Psionic Lion Nega Lion Plush Unicorn Plush Zombicorn Pretty Plush Unicorn Fuzzy Plush Unicorn Honey Plush Unicorn New Portraits, Sprays, and Emojis
      Several new emoji packs and portraits have also been added to the game. Bug Fixes
      General
      Fixed an issue causing camera jumps and cursor resets when using drag scroll. Made a number of improvements to AI behavior. Heroes, Abilities, and Talents
      Brightwing: Fixed an issue preventing Brightwing from applying the Sticky Flare talent effect if it hit more than one target. Brightwing: Fixed an issue preventing Brightwing from applying the Hush! talent effect if it hit more than one target. Chromie: Dragon’s Breath’s warning splat will now display after the ability has been cast. Deckard: Fixed an issue causing Deckard’s portal to be visible in Fog of War when using Hearthstone. Leoric: Fixed an issue that allowed Drain Hope’s damage and healing to persist through time stop effects. Lunara: Fixed an issue preventing Lunara from playing a voice line when she died. Stitches: Slam will now reveal its impact area and targets. Stitches: Serrated Edge no longer deals bonus damage to friendly targets when using Helping Hand. Stukov: Fixed an issue causing Massive Shove to remove Weighted Pustule from its target. User Interface
      Fixed a number of tooltip issues and inaccuracies across the game. Fixed an issue causing Hero models to prevent players from pressing the Ready button in the queue screen. Fixed an issue causing grandmaster numbers of 3 digits to extend beyond portrait frames while in a party. Kel’Thuzad: Added a quick-cast option for Glacial Spike. Zul’jin: Added a quick-cast option for Amani Rage. The latest Heroes of the Storm content patch with Stitches & Sylvanas updates is now live.
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      Find out more about how the recently-announced 2019 gameplay changes will affect Heroes of the Storm in the long run.
      Just over a year ago, in preparation for BlizzCon 2017, I produced a lengthy article outlining some of Heroes of the Storm's most important issues. Notable among these was that of Quick Match team compositions. To me, Heroes of the Storm had always been clearly designed and balanced with tanks and healers in mind. As such, failing to enforce team compositions that included these classes caused a number of important problems across the game.
      Following disappointing BlizzCon 2017 announcements on the matter (class changes were discussed briefly, but composition changes were not), a reddit post and a blog post published six months later would confirm that changes to Quick match team compositions were indeed in the works, though no ETA was given. BlizzCon 2018 was a pretty safe bet that would turn out to be accurate.
      So, what's the big deal?
      As Heroes of the Storm's introductory - and most popular - game mode, Quick Match must absolutely accomplish two things: Groom its player base for improvement and present Heroes of the Storm in the best light possible.
      Year after year, however, the Quick Match system has continued to fail on both counts completely, discouraging new players and veterans alike with frustrating matches that taught bad habits and ultimately hindered the growth of the player base's skill level. How can players learn to follow up without a tank to initiate? How can they possibly internalize what their reasonable survivability is like against five other assassins? The answer is simple: They can't, because these situations are nonsensical and for the most part subpar in any remotely competent environment. Fortunately, this will soon be a thing of the past.
      Placing players in a tank-healer environment - around which the game was designed - leads me to believe that player base's skill level to improve across all game modes. Drafting skill is likely to improve as well, leading to fewer draft infighting situations. Further, it  will reduce the frustration caused by unreasonable team compositions to ultimately better retain new players, whom will get to experience the game as it was meant to be played as opposed to this rather ridiculous game mode.
      Needless to say, I think this is one of the best BlizzCon announcements to date, though I must still question what took so long. The most educated guess I can produce has to do with fearing longer queue times, but here's to hoping the "Call of the Nexus" incentive will be enough to entice players into checking out classes they haven't tried out just yet. A strong enough incentive could have the positive side effect of allowing players to develop a better global understanding of the game through approaching roles they're less used to.
      Classy new classes
      The new class system builds on the old system simply by further specializing the existing classes and removing specialists. Reworking the class system was necessary to allow team compositions to be reworked themselves.
      Heroes in the old warrior class were divided into the tank and bruiser classes, with tanks now being mandatory for Quick Match team compositions. This makes sense, as many bruisers were typically unable to fulfill the role of true tanks completely, which is to reliably initiate and peel. Allowing the warrior class to continue existing in its current state would have created the kind of lopsided team composition problems we experienced back when Varian was treated as a damage dealer.
      Heroes in the support class were divided into pure healers and support heroes, which is just a way of identifying heroes who do not use healing as their primary means of assisting teammates. Given that healers must now be included in team compositions to the same extent as tanks, this change also makes sense.
      The specialist class was merged with the assassin class because it hadn't made sense in a long time to treat them any differently; most of them were simply fancy damage dealers. The assassin class itself was split up into melee and ranged assassins.
      If you've been keeping up with some of the more recent versions of my tier lists - I don't blame you if you haven't - you'll note that I had already opted to further divide the classes, with a focus on play style rather than role a few months ago. Specifically, melee assassins are divided into fighters and stalkers, and ranged assassins into marksman and casters. My system has the advantage of being a bit more flexible for edge cases such as Genji and Tracer, who play more like melee assassins yet were labeled as ranged by Blizzard. Still, this distinction is of little relevance to most players.
      Conclusion
      Short conclusions mean I am happy with things.
      Oxygen discusses why the announced changes might just be the best thing to happen to HotS.