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Hello everyone! I've been reading this forum a lot lately and when I always have a problem, I try to find a thread which can help me, and there a many helpful ones, but this time, I couldn't find a precise answer to my problem, so I decided to create a thread.

I consider that I do my DW rotation pretty well, I know my priorities, use cds like plague leech and blood tap often, I try to use the correct skills with all the correct runes, for ex; not using DnD on a Death rune, using frost strike with killing machine (I have 4p) etc.

Reading at the Icy veins guide stat priority I knew it was Mastery, and then haste = Multistrike, but since it doesn't specify, I believe my stats are not the best, and that's really affecting my performance. My single target dps is around 50-65k, of course with burst I can get to 90-100k, but well, that doesn't matter. 

My current unbuffed stats are:

Mastery: 51%

Haste: 33%

Multistrike: 24%

Crit: 14%

 

My armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/es/character/ragnaros/Nightbanez/advanced

 

Keep in mind, battle net stats % are not right, that's why im showing you my in-game stats.

 

I saw many other dks with similar gear doing 65-75kdps on single target, even 80k sometimes, and when I asked them about their stats, they had much more multistrike than haste, and also much more mastery.
What can I do with my current gear to improve this? Or which items do I need to replace in order to get the right stats?

Also, I don't really know how to provide logs, I'm more than willing to do so.

Are my stats affecting my dps?

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Hello everyone! I've been reading this forum a lot lately and when I always have a problem, I try to find a thread which can help me, and there a many helpful ones, but this time, I couldn't find a precise answer to my problem, so I decided to create a thread.

I consider that I do my DW rotation pretty well, I know my priorities, use cds like plague leech and blood tap often, I try to use the correct skills with all the correct runes, for ex; not using DnD on a Death rune, using frost strike with killing machine (I have 4p) etc.

Reading at the Icy veins guide stat priority I knew it was Mastery, and then haste = Multistrike, but since it doesn't specify, I believe my stats are not the best, and that's really affecting my performance. My single target dps is around 50-65k, of course with burst I can get to 90-100k, but well, that doesn't matter. 

My current unbuffed stats are:

Mastery: 51%

Haste: 33%

Multistrike: 24%

Crit: 14%

 

My armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/es/character/ragnaros/Nightbanez/advanced

 

Keep in mind, battle net stats % are not right, that's why im showing you my in-game stats.

 

I saw many other dks with similar gear doing 65-75kdps on single target, even 80k sometimes, and when I asked them about their stats, they had much more multistrike than haste, and also much more mastery.

What can I do with my current gear to improve this? Or which items do I need to replace in order to get the right stats?

Also, I don't really know how to provide logs, I'm more than willing to do so.

Are my stats affecting my dps?

 

frankly i don't think they are. your stats are fine, your gear is fine, so what is the issue then?

 

i believe the difference you are seeing is actually due to talent choice. you appear to have a pvp frost spec and pve frost spec. For your pve frost spec everything is great talent wise except you have necrotic plague as your level 100 talent. In pretty much all cases in HFC right now, defile is the far superior talent. It also has very good synergy with empty drinking horn (hence why empty drinking horn is so valuable to frost dks, in short, defile helps edh get to 30 stacks very quickly). the dps numbers you are reporting sound in general somewhat appropriate. I think if you switch to defile, you will see yourself catching up with the other dks around you.

 

So i think a talent change to defile will set you straight. haste is an odd stat for dks especially when running sims. the short of it now in hfc is you will get enough from your gear that you get, you don't need to go out of you way to seek it or gem/enchant for it. (now granted it you get like a leech versatility ring or something, of course switch to better secondary stats ie haste multistrike) but beyond that you don't need to search for haste atm.

 

update: one more thing that i noticed is that you are rocking the heirloom trinket as well. if not against a demon you want to replace it with something else. Rumbling pebble, unending hunger, discordant chorus, all will do you much better than the heirloom on non demon fights. 

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Hello everyone! I've been reading this forum a lot lately and when I always have a problem, I try to find a thread which can help me, and there a many helpful ones, but this time, I couldn't find a precise answer to my problem, so I decided to create a thread.

I consider that I do my DW rotation pretty well, I know my priorities, use cds like plague leech and blood tap often, I try to use the correct skills with all the correct runes, for ex; not using DnD on a Death rune, using frost strike with killing machine (I have 4p) etc.

Reading at the Icy veins guide stat priority I knew it was Mastery, and then haste = Multistrike, but since it doesn't specify, I believe my stats are not the best, and that's really affecting my performance. My single target dps is around 50-65k, of course with burst I can get to 90-100k, but well, that doesn't matter. 

My current unbuffed stats are:

Mastery: 51%

Haste: 33%

Multistrike: 24%

Crit: 14%

 

My armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/es/character/ragnaros/Nightbanez/advanced

 

Keep in mind, battle net stats % are not right, that's why im showing you my in-game stats.

 

I saw many other dks with similar gear doing 65-75kdps on single target, even 80k sometimes, and when I asked them about their stats, they had much more multistrike than haste, and also much more mastery.

What can I do with my current gear to improve this? Or which items do I need to replace in order to get the right stats?

Also, I don't really know how to provide logs, I'm more than willing to do so.

Are my stats affecting my dps?

 

frankly i don't think they are. your stats are fine, your gear is fine, so what is the issue then?

 

i believe the difference you are seeing is actually due to talent choice. you appear to have a pvp frost spec and pve frost spec. For your pve frost spec everything is great talent wise except you have necrotic plague as your level 100 talent. In pretty much all cases in HFC right now, defile is the far superior talent. It also has very good synergy with empty drinking horn (hence why empty drinking horn is so valuable to frost dks, in short, defile helps edh get to 30 stacks very quickly). the dps numbers you are reporting sound in general somewhat appropriate. I think if you switch to defile, you will see yourself catching up with the other dks around you.

 

So i think a talent change to defile will set you straight. haste is an odd stat for dks especially when running sims. the short of it now in hfc is you will get enough from your gear that you get, you don't need to go out of you way to seek it or gem/enchant for it. (now granted it you get like a leech versatility ring or something, of course switch to better secondary stats ie haste multistrike) but beyond that you don't need to search for haste atm.

 

update: one more thing that i noticed is that you are rocking the heirloom trinket as well. if not against a demon you want to replace it with something else. Rumbling pebble, unending hunger, discordant chorus, all will do you much better than the heirloom on non demon fights. 

 

 

Oh I see, im gonna try defile, never really tried, thanks for the great tip! And yea, Im farming zakuun, trying to get discordant chorus, that's why I was using that trink, otherwise I use Unending Hunger, which is the only one I have besides the heirloom.

Now I need to get used to applying diseases manually-

 

Edit: In which fights would you say Necrotic plague is superior to defile?

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Hello everyone! I've been reading this forum a lot lately and when I always have a problem, I try to find a thread which can help me, and there a many helpful ones, but this time, I couldn't find a precise answer to my problem, so I decided to create a thread.

I consider that I do my DW rotation pretty well, I know my priorities, use cds like plague leech and blood tap often, I try to use the correct skills with all the correct runes, for ex; not using DnD on a Death rune, using frost strike with killing machine (I have 4p) etc.

Reading at the Icy veins guide stat priority I knew it was Mastery, and then haste = Multistrike, but since it doesn't specify, I believe my stats are not the best, and that's really affecting my performance. My single target dps is around 50-65k, of course with burst I can get to 90-100k, but well, that doesn't matter. 

My current unbuffed stats are:

Mastery: 51%

Haste: 33%

Multistrike: 24%

Crit: 14%

 

My armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/es/character/ragnaros/Nightbanez/advanced

 

Keep in mind, battle net stats % are not right, that's why im showing you my in-game stats.

 

I saw many other dks with similar gear doing 65-75kdps on single target, even 80k sometimes, and when I asked them about their stats, they had much more multistrike than haste, and also much more mastery.

What can I do with my current gear to improve this? Or which items do I need to replace in order to get the right stats?

Also, I don't really know how to provide logs, I'm more than willing to do so.

Are my stats affecting my dps?

 

frankly i don't think they are. your stats are fine, your gear is fine, so what is the issue then?

 

i believe the difference you are seeing is actually due to talent choice. you appear to have a pvp frost spec and pve frost spec. For your pve frost spec everything is great talent wise except you have necrotic plague as your level 100 talent. In pretty much all cases in HFC right now, defile is the far superior talent. It also has very good synergy with empty drinking horn (hence why empty drinking horn is so valuable to frost dks, in short, defile helps edh get to 30 stacks very quickly). the dps numbers you are reporting sound in general somewhat appropriate. I think if you switch to defile, you will see yourself catching up with the other dks around you.

 

So i think a talent change to defile will set you straight. haste is an odd stat for dks especially when running sims. the short of it now in hfc is you will get enough from your gear that you get, you don't need to go out of you way to seek it or gem/enchant for it. (now granted it you get like a leech versatility ring or something, of course switch to better secondary stats ie haste multistrike) but beyond that you don't need to search for haste atm.

 

update: one more thing that i noticed is that you are rocking the heirloom trinket as well. if not against a demon you want to replace it with something else. Rumbling pebble, unending hunger, discordant chorus, all will do you much better than the heirloom on non demon fights. 

 

 

Oh I see, im gonna try defile, never really tried, thanks for the great tip! And yea, Im farming zakuun, trying to get discordant chorus, that's why I was using that trink, otherwise I use Unending Hunger, which is the only one I have besides the heirloom.

Now I need to get used to applying diseases manually-

 

Edit: In which fights would you say Necrotic plague is superior to defile?

 

 

unending hunger will probably serve you best. DC is good if there are things to cleve on but for pure single target unending hunger is better. 

 

as far as applying your diseases manually, you auto get frost fever up with howling blast so you just need to get used to weaving in a plague strike here and there smile.png

or a sorta cheat would be to macro in plague strike to plague leech, so you leech and then immediately smack with blood plague. then you can almost passively keep up diseases again (not necessarily recommended cuz things could get wonky with runes, but a fair idea until you get used to it again <3)

 

as far as which fights necrotic plague will be superior to defile it comes down to your raid group to be honest. with the valor 10 ilvl boost most adds get melted pretty quick as do bosses. so if your group is super geared and do full hfc clears in one night im going to say none of the fights.

 

otherwise, you may find necrotic plague useful on hellfire assault, xhul, and mannoroth. however again defile really burns down things much faster, but those are the fights you may have a bit more luck with necrotic plague. 

 

basically right now at the end of an xpac, everyone in general is so super geared that fights just become burstapaloozas and necrotic plague doesn't get enough time to tick properly and do its thing. so thats why defile is really overall best now for frost and bos is overall best for unholy (again in general, here and there especially on harder difficulties there are niche fights for certain set ups).

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Hello everyone! I've been reading this forum a lot lately and when I always have a problem, I try to find a thread which can help me, and there a many helpful ones, but this time, I couldn't find a precise answer to my problem, so I decided to create a thread.

I consider that I do my DW rotation pretty well, I know my priorities, use cds like plague leech and blood tap often, I try to use the correct skills with all the correct runes, for ex; not using DnD on a Death rune, using frost strike with killing machine (I have 4p) etc.

Reading at the Icy veins guide stat priority I knew it was Mastery, and then haste = Multistrike, but since it doesn't specify, I believe my stats are not the best, and that's really affecting my performance. My single target dps is around 50-65k, of course with burst I can get to 90-100k, but well, that doesn't matter. 

My current unbuffed stats are:

Mastery: 51%

Haste: 33%

Multistrike: 24%

Crit: 14%

 

My armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/es/character/ragnaros/Nightbanez/advanced

 

Keep in mind, battle net stats % are not right, that's why im showing you my in-game stats.

 

I saw many other dks with similar gear doing 65-75kdps on single target, even 80k sometimes, and when I asked them about their stats, they had much more multistrike than haste, and also much more mastery.

What can I do with my current gear to improve this? Or which items do I need to replace in order to get the right stats?

Also, I don't really know how to provide logs, I'm more than willing to do so.

Are my stats affecting my dps?

 

frankly i don't think they are. your stats are fine, your gear is fine, so what is the issue then?

 

i believe the difference you are seeing is actually due to talent choice. you appear to have a pvp frost spec and pve frost spec. For your pve frost spec everything is great talent wise except you have necrotic plague as your level 100 talent. In pretty much all cases in HFC right now, defile is the far superior talent. It also has very good synergy with empty drinking horn (hence why empty drinking horn is so valuable to frost dks, in short, defile helps edh get to 30 stacks very quickly). the dps numbers you are reporting sound in general somewhat appropriate. I think if you switch to defile, you will see yourself catching up with the other dks around you.

 

So i think a talent change to defile will set you straight. haste is an odd stat for dks especially when running sims. the short of it now in hfc is you will get enough from your gear that you get, you don't need to go out of you way to seek it or gem/enchant for it. (now granted it you get like a leech versatility ring or something, of course switch to better secondary stats ie haste multistrike) but beyond that you don't need to search for haste atm.

 

update: one more thing that i noticed is that you are rocking the heirloom trinket as well. if not against a demon you want to replace it with something else. Rumbling pebble, unending hunger, discordant chorus, all will do you much better than the heirloom on non demon fights. 

 

 

Oh I see, im gonna try defile, never really tried, thanks for the great tip! And yea, Im farming zakuun, trying to get discordant chorus, that's why I was using that trink, otherwise I use Unending Hunger, which is the only one I have besides the heirloom.

Now I need to get used to applying diseases manually-

 

Edit: In which fights would you say Necrotic plague is superior to defile?

 

 

unending hunger will probably serve you best. DC is good if there are things to cleve on but for pure single target unending hunger is better. 

 

as far as applying your diseases manually, you auto get frost fever up with howling blast so you just need to get used to weaving in a plague strike here and there smile.png

or a sorta cheat would be to macro in plague strike to plague leech, so you leech and then immediately smack with blood plague. then you can almost passively keep up diseases again (not necessarily recommended cuz things could get wonky with runes, but a fair idea until you get used to it again <3)

 

as far as which fights necrotic plague will be superior to defile it comes down to your raid group to be honest. with the valor 10 ilvl boost most adds get melted pretty quick as do bosses. so if your group is super geared and do full hfc clears in one night im going to say none of the fights.

 

otherwise, you may find necrotic plague useful on hellfire assault, xhul, and mannoroth. however again defile really burns down things much faster, but those are the fights you may have a bit more luck with necrotic plague. 

 

basically right now at the end of an xpac, everyone in general is so super geared that fights just become burstapaloozas and necrotic plague doesn't get enough time to tick properly and do its thing. so thats why defile is really overall best now for frost and bos is overall best for unholy (again in general, here and there especially on harder difficulties there are niche fights for certain set ups).

 

 

Great! thanks for all the help man! I started raiding hfc a month back, I've already cleared 13/13h but not with my core raid, I pugged some bosses on the upper lvl. I want to do mythic before de xpac ends, but everyone told my that If i want to go mythic, i'd need to roll to unholy, which i don't really like. Oh, and one last thing, what would you say are the stats i should aim for? like what percentages? also, in which cases would you recommend me using Outbreak?

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Hello everyone! I've been reading this forum a lot lately and when I always have a problem, I try to find a thread which can help me, and there a many helpful ones, but this time, I couldn't find a precise answer to my problem, so I decided to create a thread.

I consider that I do my DW rotation pretty well, I know my priorities, use cds like plague leech and blood tap often, I try to use the correct skills with all the correct runes, for ex; not using DnD on a Death rune, using frost strike with killing machine (I have 4p) etc.

Reading at the Icy veins guide stat priority I knew it was Mastery, and then haste = Multistrike, but since it doesn't specify, I believe my stats are not the best, and that's really affecting my performance. My single target dps is around 50-65k, of course with burst I can get to 90-100k, but well, that doesn't matter. 

My current unbuffed stats are:

Mastery: 51%

Haste: 33%

Multistrike: 24%

Crit: 14%

 

My armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/es/character/ragnaros/Nightbanez/advanced

 

Keep in mind, battle net stats % are not right, that's why im showing you my in-game stats.

 

I saw many other dks with similar gear doing 65-75kdps on single target, even 80k sometimes, and when I asked them about their stats, they had much more multistrike than haste, and also much more mastery.

What can I do with my current gear to improve this? Or which items do I need to replace in order to get the right stats?

Also, I don't really know how to provide logs, I'm more than willing to do so.

Are my stats affecting my dps?

 

frankly i don't think they are. your stats are fine, your gear is fine, so what is the issue then?

 

i believe the difference you are seeing is actually due to talent choice. you appear to have a pvp frost spec and pve frost spec. For your pve frost spec everything is great talent wise except you have necrotic plague as your level 100 talent. In pretty much all cases in HFC right now, defile is the far superior talent. It also has very good synergy with empty drinking horn (hence why empty drinking horn is so valuable to frost dks, in short, defile helps edh get to 30 stacks very quickly). the dps numbers you are reporting sound in general somewhat appropriate. I think if you switch to defile, you will see yourself catching up with the other dks around you.

 

So i think a talent change to defile will set you straight. haste is an odd stat for dks especially when running sims. the short of it now in hfc is you will get enough from your gear that you get, you don't need to go out of you way to seek it or gem/enchant for it. (now granted it you get like a leech versatility ring or something, of course switch to better secondary stats ie haste multistrike) but beyond that you don't need to search for haste atm.

 

update: one more thing that i noticed is that you are rocking the heirloom trinket as well. if not against a demon you want to replace it with something else. Rumbling pebble, unending hunger, discordant chorus, all will do you much better than the heirloom on non demon fights. 

 

 

Oh I see, im gonna try defile, never really tried, thanks for the great tip! And yea, Im farming zakuun, trying to get discordant chorus, that's why I was using that trink, otherwise I use Unending Hunger, which is the only one I have besides the heirloom.

Now I need to get used to applying diseases manually-

 

Edit: In which fights would you say Necrotic plague is superior to defile?

 

 

unending hunger will probably serve you best. DC is good if there are things to cleve on but for pure single target unending hunger is better. 

 

as far as applying your diseases manually, you auto get frost fever up with howling blast so you just need to get used to weaving in a plague strike here and there smile.png

or a sorta cheat would be to macro in plague strike to plague leech, so you leech and then immediately smack with blood plague. then you can almost passively keep up diseases again (not necessarily recommended cuz things could get wonky with runes, but a fair idea until you get used to it again <3)

 

as far as which fights necrotic plague will be superior to defile it comes down to your raid group to be honest. with the valor 10 ilvl boost most adds get melted pretty quick as do bosses. so if your group is super geared and do full hfc clears in one night im going to say none of the fights.

 

otherwise, you may find necrotic plague useful on hellfire assault, xhul, and mannoroth. however again defile really burns down things much faster, but those are the fights you may have a bit more luck with necrotic plague. 

 

basically right now at the end of an xpac, everyone in general is so super geared that fights just become burstapaloozas and necrotic plague doesn't get enough time to tick properly and do its thing. so thats why defile is really overall best now for frost and bos is overall best for unholy (again in general, here and there especially on harder difficulties there are niche fights for certain set ups).

 

 

Great! thanks for all the help man! I started raiding hfc a month back, I've already cleared 13/13h but not with my core raid, I pugged some bosses on the upper lvl. I want to do mythic before de xpac ends, but everyone told my that If i want to go mythic, i'd need to roll to unholy, which i don't really like. Oh, and one last thing, what would you say are the stats i should aim for? like what percentages? also, in which cases would you recommend me using Outbreak?

 

 

people can be a bit super elitist especially when it comes to mythic progression. im in 2 different groups 1 full clear one partial and we have 2 frost dks that are fine. they pull the dps requirements we've set. so you can do just fine with frost in mythic progression. its just people want to get the 45 second burst kills, so they demand unholy for high burst. shop around for guilds and Im sure you can find a spot in a more casual progression type group. on many smaller servers guilds can struggle with attendance for mythic raids so im sure there is home out there for you biggrin.png

 

as far as what stats you aiming for are speaking switching to unholy or staying frost?

either way

frost: gem/enchant mastery and look for multistrike/haste as 2ndary stats

unholy: multistrike until your eyes bleed and then more multistrike, for 2ndary stats, you want multistrike,  (then mastery>crit).

blood: (wasn't discussed but here for good measure XD) mastery for survivability, multistrike for deeps.

 

as far as outbreak usage, for frost i don't recommend glyphing it but frankly use it on CD when your diseases aren't up. the atypically place in my rotation where it falls is after plague leech. leech then outbreak boom, free runes and diseases back. so use outbreak basically whenever its on CD and your diseases are off. 

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Hello everyone! I've been reading this forum a lot lately and when I always have a problem, I try to find a thread which can help me, and there a many helpful ones, but this time, I couldn't find a precise answer to my problem, so I decided to create a thread.

I consider that I do my DW rotation pretty well, I know my priorities, use cds like plague leech and blood tap often, I try to use the correct skills with all the correct runes, for ex; not using DnD on a Death rune, using frost strike with killing machine (I have 4p) etc.

Reading at the Icy veins guide stat priority I knew it was Mastery, and then haste = Multistrike, but since it doesn't specify, I believe my stats are not the best, and that's really affecting my performance. My single target dps is around 50-65k, of course with burst I can get to 90-100k, but well, that doesn't matter. 

My current unbuffed stats are:

Mastery: 51%

Haste: 33%

Multistrike: 24%

Crit: 14%

 

My armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/es/character/ragnaros/Nightbanez/advanced

 

Keep in mind, battle net stats % are not right, that's why im showing you my in-game stats.

 

I saw many other dks with similar gear doing 65-75kdps on single target, even 80k sometimes, and when I asked them about their stats, they had much more multistrike than haste, and also much more mastery.

What can I do with my current gear to improve this? Or which items do I need to replace in order to get the right stats?

Also, I don't really know how to provide logs, I'm more than willing to do so.

Are my stats affecting my dps?

 

frankly i don't think they are. your stats are fine, your gear is fine, so what is the issue then?

 

i believe the difference you are seeing is actually due to talent choice. you appear to have a pvp frost spec and pve frost spec. For your pve frost spec everything is great talent wise except you have necrotic plague as your level 100 talent. In pretty much all cases in HFC right now, defile is the far superior talent. It also has very good synergy with empty drinking horn (hence why empty drinking horn is so valuable to frost dks, in short, defile helps edh get to 30 stacks very quickly). the dps numbers you are reporting sound in general somewhat appropriate. I think if you switch to defile, you will see yourself catching up with the other dks around you.

 

So i think a talent change to defile will set you straight. haste is an odd stat for dks especially when running sims. the short of it now in hfc is you will get enough from your gear that you get, you don't need to go out of you way to seek it or gem/enchant for it. (now granted it you get like a leech versatility ring or something, of course switch to better secondary stats ie haste multistrike) but beyond that you don't need to search for haste atm.

 

update: one more thing that i noticed is that you are rocking the heirloom trinket as well. if not against a demon you want to replace it with something else. Rumbling pebble, unending hunger, discordant chorus, all will do you much better than the heirloom on non demon fights. 

 

 

Oh I see, im gonna try defile, never really tried, thanks for the great tip! And yea, Im farming zakuun, trying to get discordant chorus, that's why I was using that trink, otherwise I use Unending Hunger, which is the only one I have besides the heirloom.

Now I need to get used to applying diseases manually-

 

Edit: In which fights would you say Necrotic plague is superior to defile?

 

 

unending hunger will probably serve you best. DC is good if there are things to cleve on but for pure single target unending hunger is better. 

 

as far as applying your diseases manually, you auto get frost fever up with howling blast so you just need to get used to weaving in a plague strike here and there smile.png

or a sorta cheat would be to macro in plague strike to plague leech, so you leech and then immediately smack with blood plague. then you can almost passively keep up diseases again (not necessarily recommended cuz things could get wonky with runes, but a fair idea until you get used to it again <3)

 

as far as which fights necrotic plague will be superior to defile it comes down to your raid group to be honest. with the valor 10 ilvl boost most adds get melted pretty quick as do bosses. so if your group is super geared and do full hfc clears in one night im going to say none of the fights.

 

otherwise, you may find necrotic plague useful on hellfire assault, xhul, and mannoroth. however again defile really burns down things much faster, but those are the fights you may have a bit more luck with necrotic plague. 

 

basically right now at the end of an xpac, everyone in general is so super geared that fights just become burstapaloozas and necrotic plague doesn't get enough time to tick properly and do its thing. so thats why defile is really overall best now for frost and bos is overall best for unholy (again in general, here and there especially on harder difficulties there are niche fights for certain set ups).

 

 

Great! thanks for all the help man! I started raiding hfc a month back, I've already cleared 13/13h but not with my core raid, I pugged some bosses on the upper lvl. I want to do mythic before de xpac ends, but everyone told my that If i want to go mythic, i'd need to roll to unholy, which i don't really like. Oh, and one last thing, what would you say are the stats i should aim for? like what percentages? also, in which cases would you recommend me using Outbreak?

 

 

people can be a bit super elitist especially when it comes to mythic progression. im in 2 different groups 1 full clear one partial and we have 2 frost dks that are fine. they pull the dps requirements we've set. so you can do just fine with frost in mythic progression. its just people want to get the 45 second burst kills, so they demand unholy for high burst. shop around for guilds and Im sure you can find a spot in a more casual progression type group. on many smaller servers guilds can struggle with attendance for mythic raids so im sure there is home out there for you biggrin.png

 

as far as what stats you aiming for are speaking switching to unholy or staying frost?

either way

frost: gem/enchant mastery and look for multistrike/haste as 2ndary stats

unholy: multistrike until your eyes bleed and then more multistrike, for 2ndary stats, you want multistrike,  (then mastery>crit).

blood: (wasn't discussed but here for good measure XD) mastery for survivability, multistrike for deeps.

 

as far as outbreak usage, for frost i don't recommend glyphing it but frankly use it on CD when your diseases aren't up. the atypically place in my rotation where it falls is after plague leech. leech then outbreak boom, free runes and diseases back. so use outbreak basically whenever its on CD and your diseases are off. 

 

 

Nice! Thank you very much man! You answered all of my main questions! And I'm sure this will help other people too! :)

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NP is handy for solo work, if your pulling huge amounts of mobs its hard to beat for convenience. 

for raiding Defile is better, if the boss or adds stay on it for a while. If you drop it and the boss moves, its 0 dps gain. So you might find yourself holding it for a few seconds. NP is fire and forget. 

NP is good for the necroblight playstyle in unholy though, worth a look at too.

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NP is handy for solo work, if your pulling huge amounts of mobs its hard to beat for convenience. 

for raiding Defile is better, if the boss or adds stay on it for a while. If you drop it and the boss moves, its 0 dps gain. So you might find yourself holding it for a few seconds. NP is fire and forget. 

NP is good for the necroblight playstyle in unholy though, worth a look at too.

 

actually that is a fair point you brought up there i forgot to mention. defile is the superior frost ability as long as the boss is marinating in it the entire time. you need full boss soakage and as shells said if they move out thats a deeps loss. now in hfc there isn't a huge amount of movement but pugging and not knowing a groups strategy there might be a surprise boss movement. 

 

so if having trouble marinating boss with defile, necrotic plague is better (good catch shells :D)

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NP is handy for solo work, if your pulling huge amounts of mobs its hard to beat for convenience. 

for raiding Defile is better, if the boss or adds stay on it for a while. If you drop it and the boss moves, its 0 dps gain. So you might find yourself holding it for a few seconds. NP is fire and forget. 

NP is good for the necroblight playstyle in unholy though, worth a look at too.

 

actually that is a fair point you brought up there i forgot to mention. defile is the superior frost ability as long as the boss is marinating in it the entire time. you need full boss soakage and as shells said if they move out thats a deeps loss. now in hfc there isn't a huge amount of movement but pugging and not knowing a groups strategy there might be a surprise boss movement. 

 

so if having trouble marinating boss with defile, necrotic plague is better (good catch shells biggrin.png)

 

 

Oh and hey, If i wanted to try out UH (just got heroic hellrender trying to get discordant chorus with bonus roll for the 5th time) what would you say is the best build? I saw your necroblight guide, but since it's 1year old maybe right now it's not the best, and saw some people using sindragosa as a100 talent, what would you recommend me as a person who never played UH.

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NP is handy for solo work, if your pulling huge amounts of mobs its hard to beat for convenience. 

for raiding Defile is better, if the boss or adds stay on it for a while. If you drop it and the boss moves, its 0 dps gain. So you might find yourself holding it for a few seconds. NP is fire and forget. 

NP is good for the necroblight playstyle in unholy though, worth a look at too.

 

actually that is a fair point you brought up there i forgot to mention. defile is the superior frost ability as long as the boss is marinating in it the entire time. you need full boss soakage and as shells said if they move out thats a deeps loss. now in hfc there isn't a huge amount of movement but pugging and not knowing a groups strategy there might be a surprise boss movement. 

 

so if having trouble marinating boss with defile, necrotic plague is better (good catch shells biggrin.png)

 

 

Oh and hey, If i wanted to try out UH (just got heroic hellrender trying to get discordant chorus with bonus roll for the 5th time) what would you say is the best build? I saw your necroblight guide, but since it's 1year old maybe right now it's not the best, and saw some people using sindragosa as a100 talent, what would you recommend me as a person who never played UH.

 

 

necroblight was weakened due to the ilvl increase we all received with the re-introduction of valor. it is still strong and you can pull competitive numbers, however, due to adds and bosses not living quite as long in higher ends of progression, it isn't as strong as it used to be.

 

BOS Unholy is currently the top performing dps combo for death knights. However, BOS is a bit gear dependent and can be quite tricky to learn. 

 

So, if you want to transition to unholy, I would say roll necroblight first, just so you can get used to all the abilities unholy has. once you are comfortable with unholy dks, their abilities, how the runes flow, and you have a nice amount of mulitstrike, you'll eventually want to transition to BOS for highest progression content. 

 

so play with necrotic plague till you get a good handle on the class and then maybe start trying bos. a crude dps ranking would be

 

BOS unholy > DW frost > NP Unholy > 2H frost

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NP is handy for solo work, if your pulling huge amounts of mobs its hard to beat for convenience. 

for raiding Defile is better, if the boss or adds stay on it for a while. If you drop it and the boss moves, its 0 dps gain. So you might find yourself holding it for a few seconds. NP is fire and forget. 

NP is good for the necroblight playstyle in unholy though, worth a look at too.

 

actually that is a fair point you brought up there i forgot to mention. defile is the superior frost ability as long as the boss is marinating in it the entire time. you need full boss soakage and as shells said if they move out thats a deeps loss. now in hfc there isn't a huge amount of movement but pugging and not knowing a groups strategy there might be a surprise boss movement. 

 

so if having trouble marinating boss with defile, necrotic plague is better (good catch shells biggrin.png)

 

 

Oh and hey, If i wanted to try out UH (just got heroic hellrender trying to get discordant chorus with bonus roll for the 5th time) what would you say is the best build? I saw your necroblight guide, but since it's 1year old maybe right now it's not the best, and saw some people using sindragosa as a100 talent, what would you recommend me as a person who never played UH.

 

 

necroblight was weakened due to the ilvl increase we all received with the re-introduction of valor. it is still strong and you can pull competitive numbers, however, due to adds and bosses not living quite as long in higher ends of progression, it isn't as strong as it used to be.

 

BOS Unholy is currently the top performing dps combo for death knights. However, BOS is a bit gear dependent and can be quite tricky to learn. 

 

So, if you want to transition to unholy, I would say roll necroblight first, just so you can get used to all the abilities unholy has. once you are comfortable with unholy dks, their abilities, how the runes flow, and you have a nice amount of mulitstrike, you'll eventually want to transition to BOS for highest progression content. 

 

so play with necrotic plague till you get a good handle on the class and then maybe start trying bos. a crude dps ranking would be

 

BOS unholy > DW frost > NP Unholy > 2H frost

 

And is the dps increase between BOS UH and DW frost worth rolling to the other spec? Like is it a 20k dps increase or very similar dps

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BOS unholy has far greater dps potential than DW frost not only for the burst but also the sustained dmg

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BOS unholy has far greater dps potential than DW frost not only for the burst but also the sustained dmg

 

^ this

 

on other sites they were arguing that bos was only superior due to the burst nature of mythic progression. however, the fastest archi kill on mythic is somewhere around 5  minutes which is certainly a more extended fight then 50 seconds. bos far outperformed both necroblight and dw frost on all of these parses  ie unholy bos is top dps spec for dks right now bar none

 

but again we are talking about topping the dps meters and hiting parses. pretty much all dk dps specs can pull respectable numbers and pull their weight throughout heroic and even early mythic content. 

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BOS unholy has far greater dps potential than DW frost not only for the burst but also the sustained dmg

 

^ this

 

on other sites they were arguing that bos was only superior due to the burst nature of mythic progression. however, the fastest archi kill on mythic is somewhere around 5  minutes which is certainly a more extended fight then 50 seconds. bos far outperformed both necroblight and dw frost on all of these parses  ie unholy bos is top dps spec for dks right now bar none

 

but again we are talking about topping the dps meters and hiting parses. pretty much all dk dps specs can pull respectable numbers and pull their weight throughout heroic and even early mythic content. 

 

Ah, yes, I understand your point, I see UH is superior, but atm im thinking if it's worth learning this spec with legion so close, I imagine all specs will be changing a lot in the new expansion.

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BOS unholy has far greater dps potential than DW frost not only for the burst but also the sustained dmg

 

^ this

 

on other sites they were arguing that bos was only superior due to the burst nature of mythic progression. however, the fastest archi kill on mythic is somewhere around 5  minutes which is certainly a more extended fight then 50 seconds. bos far outperformed both necroblight and dw frost on all of these parses  ie unholy bos is top dps spec for dks right now bar none

 

but again we are talking about topping the dps meters and hiting parses. pretty much all dk dps specs can pull respectable numbers and pull their weight throughout heroic and even early mythic content. 

 

Ah, yes, I understand your point, I see UH is superior, but atm im thinking if it's worth learning this spec with legion so close, I imagine all specs will be changing a lot in the new expansion.

 

 

depends on you really. im sorta bored right now in game and wanted a challenge. I know most specs very well but there was one i never could get down - sub rogue. So i'm now investing my time learning sub rogue and getting the rotation down because its a fun challenge for me and is giving me something new to do, fully with the knowledge that in a few months everything will change. 

 

so i mean, if you get unholy bos down in a couple weeks you certainly could get a couple months out of it but at the same time with legion looming it may not be worth it to you to bother. plus in legion frost gets BOS and unholy doesn't XD 

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BOS unholy has far greater dps potential than DW frost not only for the burst but also the sustained dmg

 

^ this

 

on other sites they were arguing that bos was only superior due to the burst nature of mythic progression. however, the fastest archi kill on mythic is somewhere around 5  minutes which is certainly a more extended fight then 50 seconds. bos far outperformed both necroblight and dw frost on all of these parses  ie unholy bos is top dps spec for dks right now bar none

 

but again we are talking about topping the dps meters and hiting parses. pretty much all dk dps specs can pull respectable numbers and pull their weight throughout heroic and even early mythic content. 

 

Ah, yes, I understand your point, I see UH is superior, but atm im thinking if it's worth learning this spec with legion so close, I imagine all specs will be changing a lot in the new expansion.

 

 

depends on you really. im sorta bored right now in game and wanted a challenge. I know most specs very well but there was one i never could get down - sub rogue. So i'm now investing my time learning sub rogue and getting the rotation down because its a fun challenge for me and is giving me something new to do, fully with the knowledge that in a few months everything will change. 

 

so i mean, if you get unholy bos down in a couple weeks you certainly could get a couple months out of it but at the same time with legion looming it may not be worth it to you to bother. plus in legion frost gets BOS and unholy doesn't XD 

 

 

LOL, that sucks. Yea, I tried sub rogue, went to the forums for more specifics on the rotation and after 30minutes i just said, fuck no, ain't nobody got time. I'll stay with my frost dk and see how much dps i can manage to do. 

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Hello everyone! I've been reading this forum a lot lately and when I always have a problem, I try to find a thread which can help me, and there a many helpful ones, but this time, I couldn't find a precise answer to my problem, so I decided to create a thread.

I consider that I do my DW rotation pretty well, I know my priorities, use cds like plague leech and blood tap often, I try to use the correct skills with all the correct runes, for ex; not using DnD on a Death rune, using frost strike with killing machine (I have 4p) etc.

Reading at the Icy veins guide stat priority I knew it was Mastery, and then haste = Multistrike, but since it doesn't specify, I believe my stats are not the best, and that's really affecting my performance. My single target dps is around 50-65k, of course with burst I can get to 90-100k, but well, that doesn't matter. 

My current unbuffed stats are:

Mastery: 51%

Haste: 33%

Multistrike: 24%

Crit: 14%

 

My armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/es/character/ragnaros/Nightbanez/advanced

 

Keep in mind, battle net stats % are not right, that's why im showing you my in-game stats.

 

I saw many other dks with similar gear doing 65-75kdps on single target, even 80k sometimes, and when I asked them about their stats, they had much more multistrike than haste, and also much more mastery.

What can I do with my current gear to improve this? Or which items do I need to replace in order to get the right stats?

Also, I don't really know how to provide logs, I'm more than willing to do so.

Are my stats affecting my dps?

 

frankly i don't think they are. your stats are fine, your gear is fine, so what is the issue then?

 

i believe the difference you are seeing is actually due to talent choice. you appear to have a pvp frost spec and pve frost spec. For your pve frost spec everything is great talent wise except you have necrotic plague as your level 100 talent. In pretty much all cases in HFC right now, defile is the far superior talent. It also has very good synergy with empty drinking horn (hence why empty drinking horn is so valuable to frost dks, in short, defile helps edh get to 30 stacks very quickly). the dps numbers you are reporting sound in general somewhat appropriate. I think if you switch to defile, you will see yourself catching up with the other dks around you.

 

So i think a talent change to defile will set you straight. haste is an odd stat for dks especially when running sims. the short of it now in hfc is you will get enough from your gear that you get, you don't need to go out of you way to seek it or gem/enchant for it. (now granted it you get like a leech versatility ring or something, of course switch to better secondary stats ie haste multistrike) but beyond that you don't need to search for haste atm.

 

update: one more thing that i noticed is that you are rocking the heirloom trinket as well. if not against a demon you want to replace it with something else. Rumbling pebble, unending hunger, discordant chorus, all will do you much better than the heirloom on non demon fights. 

 

 

Oh I see, im gonna try defile, never really tried, thanks for the great tip! And yea, Im farming zakuun, trying to get discordant chorus, that's why I was using that trink, otherwise I use Unending Hunger, which is the only one I have besides the heirloom.

Now I need to get used to applying diseases manually-

 

Edit: In which fights would you say Necrotic plague is superior to defile

 

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I've read down through everything concerning your post. 
Defile is the way to go as mentioned.  I'm a frost Dk.... with a recent change to Unholy as an offspec. 
Like you, I get a little confused with what is best for what... but you could always check out what the top 5% of players use for their talents and builds as well on this site.  
That can be useful as well.  

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