Shadow Priest 7.3

[Valks 2,373]

25 minutes ago, Guest Vaylen said:

To be a little more specific 12k haste is actually 32% heres a link to my stat optimised shadowpriest who has just a little over 12k and appropriate crit

Thanks so much for sharing your link and verifying! :)

[Guest voltaire]

the description of zeks exterminatus legendary is wrong. it says it increases the dmg by 25% but its been buffed to increase the dmg by 100% and make power word: death usable on proc at any health level.

i think it need re examining and ranking in light of this

[Valks 2,373]

6 hours ago, Guest voltaire said:

the description of zeks exterminatus legendary is wrong. it says it increases the dmg by 25% but its been buffed to increase the dmg by 100% and make power word: death usable on proc at any health level.

i think it need re examining and ranking in light of this

I'll make a note for Furty to update it - thanks and sorry for the delay!

[Guest waste of time]

This guide is full of shit. I'm sorry i have to use strong words but if it wasn't saying that is last updated on 30 march that woud be fine. Here's why: it was not accurate at all even for 7.1.5 . Last update before current was early january and apart from what talents and how to develop the weapon (traits) there was nothing else. Nothing about haste "cap" (10k, 12k, etc and why), rotations, priorities (like when to use pet, when to use PI, when to use Void Torrent etc). Nothing.

Explain about mastery, explain about haste, how it 'diminishes' above 12k etc. Or how is haste after 7.2 hit because there is another change.

I mean, if a decision is made for a guide to be written, meaning it's targeted and aiming to aid thousands and thousands of people around the globe, then make it properly otherwise its just a waste of time.

[Furty 51]

On 4/16/2017 at 6:14 PM, Guest waste of time said:

This guide is full of shit. I'm sorry i have to use strong words but if it wasn't saying that is last updated on 30 march that woud be fine. Here's why: it was not accurate at all even for 7.1.5 . Last update before current was early january and apart from what talents and how to develop the weapon (traits) there was nothing else. Nothing about haste "cap" (10k, 12k, etc and why), rotations, priorities (like when to use pet, when to use PI, when to use Void Torrent etc). Nothing.

Explain about mastery, explain about haste, how it 'diminishes' above 12k etc. Or how is haste after 7.2 hit because there is another change.

I mean, if a decision is made for a guide to be written, meaning it's targeted and aiming to aid thousands and thousands of people around the globe, then make it properly otherwise its just a waste of time.

There is a full outline of the things you listed on the rotation page. Do you have any specific gripes with the information there? 

[Valks 2,373]

On 4/17/2017 at 0:14 AM, Guest waste of time said:

Nothing about haste "cap"

From guide: Haste until ~12k.

On 4/17/2017 at 0:14 AM, Guest waste of time said:

rotations

There's actually a whole section called "Rotation" - it has the Single Target, Multi-target for 2+ and 4+, opening rotation and short-lived add rotations. Do you feel you need another style of rotation? The Easy Mode rotation is also available on another page if these are too complicated.

On 4/17/2017 at 0:14 AM, Guest waste of time said:

when to use pet

Cooldowns section. If that's not satisfactory, there is also the "More on Cooldowns" section.

On 4/17/2017 at 0:14 AM, Guest waste of time said:

when to use PI

Once again, cooldowns section. There is also, once again, the "More on Cooldowns" section.

On 4/17/2017 at 0:14 AM, Guest waste of time said:

when to use Void Torrent

I feel like I might be repeating myself but, Cooldowns and More on Cooldowns.

I can only assume the guide didn't fully load for you, given that pretty much everything you have listed is covered in the guide, or you just didn't read it. A simple Ctrl + F search would have showed you all of this.

Regardless, feedback is always good. If you would like to re-read the guide and feel that there is some genuine feedback to provide, I'd be happy to listen and pass it on to Furty to be reviewed. Pointing out missing parts of the guide that are in fact included isn't quite the feedback we are looking for.

Thanks and have a great day!

[Guest Dairan]

Can someone trow Pawn String of starts priority on Shadow priest 7.2? 

[Guest Dairan]

Why my post whas deleted? Can someone give me Pawn String stats priority please????????

[Valks 2,373]

3 hours ago, Guest Dairan said:

Why my post whas deleted? Can someone give me Pawn String stats priority please????????

It wasn't deleted, just wasn't approved -  sorry for the delay, but most of our moderators take some time off on Sunday :)

As for the Pawn string, there isn't a single one that works for everyone - I'd recommend looking at trying to sim your own character for personal weights to then import. This is the only way they can be truly accurate for each piece of gear.

[MrMane 1]

I'm a little confused by the Single target opening rotatrion:

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The single-target rotation relies on the following priority system of abilities, depending on which phase you are in.

• Build Phase (not in  Voidform)
  1. Cast  Void Eruption (to enter Voidform).
  2. Cast  Mind Blast.
  3. Apply and maintain  Shadow Word: Pain and  Vampiric Touch.
  4. Cast  Mind Flay as your filler spell.

If i'm in the build phase, I can't immediately cast Void Eruption. I know how to build up insanity but I was looking for the most efficient way to build it up so I can cast Void Eruption as soon as possible. Is this intentionally written this way or am I missing some critical information that make this possible?

 

I'll keep searching just in case...

[Valks 2,373]

6 hours ago, MrMane said:

I'm a little confused by the Single target opening rotatrion:

Take a look at the first sentence - the rotation is a priority system, which means you don't cast it as a simple 1,2,3,4. Instead, you should look at it as:

1. Do this. If you can't do this, go to 2.
2. Do this. If you can't do this, go to 3.
3. etc. etc.

Hopefully that kind of clears it up.

[MrMane 1]

I see, so it is more like if then statements. That makes a whole lot more sense now. Thank you!

[Valks 2,373]

4 hours ago, MrMane said:

I see, so it is more like if then statements. That makes a whole lot more sense now. Thank you!

Exactly! Glad to have helped :)

[Guest Interested]

Hi, first of all, thanks for your guides, they have helped me a lot on different classes.

Now i got a specific question tho. Why is there a haste cap at 32%? Is it simply because the few more VF stacks you would get are not as good as the flat dmg buff mastery provides us? Or is there something i am not seeing? Plus, if using the Erratic Metronome trinket, is that haste cap lowered to like 10 k because of the 75% uptime of ~2 stacks from the trinket? 

Thanks in advance! :)

[Guest Vaylen]

23 hours ago, Guest Interested said:

Hi, first of all, thanks for your guides, they have helped me a lot on different classes.

Now i got a specific question tho. Why is there a haste cap at 32%? Is it simply because the few more VF stacks you would get are not as good as the flat dmg buff mastery provides us? Or is there something i am not seeing? Plus, if using the Erratic Metronome trinket, is that haste cap lowered to like 10 k because of the 75% uptime of ~2 stacks from the trinket? 

Thanks in advance! :)

Hi to Answer your question 10k+ haste is an absolute minimum, if you ever dip below 10k haste you will have dps losses, regarding your trinket you are indeed correct metronome and or guldans trinket effectively bridge the gap to the recommended 12k haste.

12k haste was basically simmed to death, there was a peak dps value at 12k that dipped afterwards.

Due to the 4 set and being able to cast its buff on every voidform, mastery then becomes super important, its not as important a stat without the nighthold 4 set bonus but its importance is greatly increased once you gain the 4 set.

If your thinking why not aim for like 14k haste 15k haste? its as its unrealistic, on the basis you also need to be running with 15% crit minimum, (the biggest peak dps gain occurs at 12k haste which is 'reachable' via current gear) theres not enough stats available on our gear to achieve much more whilst maintaining other stat minimums and whilst it still has a value further past this- its not as big a value gain as it is when peaking at 12k haste, its hard enough for many to optimise to 10k haste harder still for others to push it to 12k haste.

Hopefully this reply was helpful

:)

 

[Valks 2,373]

On 4/25/2017 at 5:29 PM, Guest Interested said:

Thanks in advance! :)

Just dropping by to confirm Vaylen's comment and the info inside.

[Valks 2,373]

On 4/26/2017 at 5:09 PM, Guest Vaylen said:

Hopefully this reply was helpful

A brilliant reply, thanks so much for helping :)

[Nika 1]

I have a question about the latest gear options before raid tiers. I see almost every piece you get around the map via WQ's has versatility on it, if it has a higher Item level should I equip it instead or keep the gear I had before that?

Thanks

[Valks 2,373]

On 5/15/2017 at 0:28 PM, Nika said:

I have a question about the latest gear options before raid tiers. I see almost every piece you get around the map via WQ's has versatility on it, if it has a higher Item level should I equip it instead or keep the gear I had before that?

Thanks

It depends. Will you fall below the Haste target? If not, is your current piece Mastery/Crit vs. Haste/Vers? How much of an item level increase is it? What slot is it in? Does it have Intellect?

These are all questions that will affect it! Simming pieces of gear are normally the fastest way to get an answer.

[Valks 2,373]

We are currently in the process of updating our guides in preparation for the release of 7.2.5 - all questions about "What is better for 7.2.5, X or Y?" will be answered in our guide updates. Thanks for your patience while we get everything completed and good luck in the new patch!

[Guest Vaylen]

Noted its already been updated for 7.2.5, one thing id pik up opn is mindbender stated as being avoided, this is incorrect mindbender is default and mind bender relics that enhance its duration are best in slot.

[Valks 2,373]

2 hours ago, Guest Vaylen said:

Noted its already been updated for 7.2.5, one thing id pik up opn is mindbender stated as being avoided, this is incorrect mindbender is default and mind bender relics that enhance its duration are best in slot.

Will pass this on to Furty, thanks!

[Guest Vaylen]

Actually theres a  few other notes i can provide for him aswell as i know he does a few guides, haste to aim for should now be 14k to be specific this is exactly 40%, this is due to the new tier bonuses, in particular the 4 set draining insanity 15% slower, so you can pretty much stop stressing about mastery going forward now, as the new tier set is potentially the best of all classes, if this means you have lots of crit as your using crit haste gear for example, feel free to go back to 'Auspicious spirits', if you still have a good bit of mastery stay sanlyn, all of this info can be found and verified on howtopriest.com, but thats the key info available atm, which should be passed on. Other talent default choices are relatively the same, if you get the new ring that rewards, the talent perk of 'twist of fate' the recomended would then become, 'shadow word void', if you dont have it 'twist of fate' is still deafult,  other than never taking 'power infusion' now as 'mindbender' is default, its same as last patch.

[gonlaz 6]

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Edited June 13, 2017 by gonlaz

[Valks 2,373]

7 hours ago, Guest Vaylen said:

Actually theres a  few other notes i can provide for him aswell as i know he does a few guides

Passing this on for him to look at - thanks once again :)