Frost Death Knight 7.3

[Raka 27]

Hey

In the guide on 4.4.1 "Killing Machine Procc" the description is missing the new 7.3 functionality of Obliteration. As you know Duration increased from 8 seconds to 10 seconds and affecting Frost Strike AND Howling Blast to procc KM.

greets :)

[G3DL0K 0]

On 19-7-2016 at 4:43 AM, Damien said:

This thread is for comments about our Frost Death Knight guide for Legion.

They nerfed them, 

 

[skavader 0]

Hey guys, I just noticed on the rotation page that you reference both Gathering Storms and Frost Scythe in the multi-target rotation when you can only take one of the two as a talent. Not sure if this effects the priority of when you should be using Remorseless Winter, but I figured you guys might wanna take a look at it.

[Valks 2,373]

22 hours ago, Raka said:

Hey

In the guide on 4.4.1 "Killing Machine Procc" the description is missing the new 7.3 functionality of Obliteration. As you know Duration increased from 8 seconds to 10 seconds and affecting Frost Strike AND Howling Blast to procc KM.

greets :)

Will get this updated, thanks!

[Valks 2,373]

19 hours ago, G3DL0K said:

They nerfed them, 

This doesn't really add/contribute anything to a discussion about the guide other than throwing in a meme video. I've removed the link since this isn't the place to post it.

[Valks 2,373]

4 minutes ago, skavader said:

Hey guys, I just noticed on the rotation page that you reference both Gathering Storms and Frost Scythe in the multi-target rotation when you can only take one of the two as a talent. Not sure if this effects the priority of when you should be using Remorseless Winter, but I figured you guys might wanna take a look at it.

This is just to allow for people to see a cohesive rotation regardless of which talent is taken - I can ask for a tick-box system to be included, if possible? If you come to a skill you don't have, skip it in the priority.

[skavader 0]

34 minutes ago, Blainie said:

This is just to allow for people to see a cohesive rotation regardless of which talent is taken - I can ask for a tick-box system to be included, if possible? If you come to a skill you don't have, skip it in the priority.

Cool, thanks for the clarification. Maybe it would just make more sense to say "If you have taken Gathering Storms, cast Remorseless Winter on cooldown". Just seems so weird to not have remorseless winter as part of the AoE rotation after all these months in a row of playing the Breath rotation haha.

Edited August 31, 2017 by skavader

[herrde 0]

Hey guys,

first of all, many thanks for the updated guide!

Question: how about Frost DK preferred legendaries? I noticed that this section of the guide hasn't been updated yet, or am I missing something? Toravon is obvious, but how do Koltira, SoN and the helmet (those are the ones that I own) rank now that the class changes have happened and BoS isn't a viable choice any longer?

Thanks again to everybody involved!

[Valks 2,373]

4 hours ago, skavader said:

Cool, thanks for the clarification. Maybe it would just make more sense to say "If you have taken Gathering Storms, cast Remorseless Winter on cooldown". Just seems so weird to not have remorseless winter as part of the AoE rotation after all these months in a row of playing the Breath rotation haha.

Glad to be of help :)

[Valks 2,373]

3 hours ago, herrde said:

Question: how about Frost DK preferred legendaries? I noticed that this section of the guide hasn't been updated yet, or am I missing something? Toravon is obvious, but how do Koltira, SoN and the helmet (those are the ones that I own) rank now that the class changes have happened and BoS isn't a viable choice any longer?

Very little has changed. Seal might be slightly lower in certain encounters, but your BiS is still Cold Heart > Toravon.

[yajnaji 0]

The gems/consumables/enchantments page needs to be updated... no? 

Edited August 31, 2017 by yajnaji

[Valks 2,373]

1 hour ago, yajnaji said:

The gems/consumables/enchantments page needs to be updated... no? 

What do you feel needs to be added? The new epic gem is up on the page, as well as the new rune from 7.3.

[yajnaji 0]

17 hours ago, Blainie said:

What do you feel needs to be added? The new epic gem is up on the page, as well as the new rune from 7.3.

Stat priority (mastery) != gems and enchants (crit).

Or is it intended? 

[alleraz 11]

Tried the new Obli ST build out and it seems worse the the HRW build... Dont know why but simming is showing I should be doing about 20-30k more dps then HRW but in practice its about 20k lower. Obli doesnt seem that good of a talent since its duration is so short and Killing machine seems to proc enough as is so during it im RP capped since I cant really spend any during OBli.

Also if this build is actually better wouldnt the belt be better for it than the Seal ring? I dont have cold heart and only have the bracers, seal ring, and belt.

Edit: it does seem that the belt is indeed better after simming it. gained about 40k dps.

Edited September 2, 2017 by alleraz

[Valks 2,373]

18 hours ago, yajnaji said:

Stat priority (mastery) != gems and enchants (crit).

Or is it intended? 

Ah, good catch. I believe this is an error - I'll get the writer to update it. As far as I know, you can use any gem depending on which stat is top for you, but Mastery is generally best. Will double check nonetheless.

[Valks 2,373]

12 hours ago, alleraz said:

Tried the new Obli ST build out and it seems worse the the HRW build... Dont know why but simming is showing I should be doing about 20-30k more dps then HRW but in practice its about 20k lower. Obli doesnt seem that good of a talent since its duration is so short and Killing machine seems to proc enough as is so during it im RP capped since I cant really spend any during OBli.

This is most likely going to be a playstyle issue, rather than a build one - Obliteration is absolutely destroying the top ranks at the moment, with HRW barely even appearing on the rankings. Have you tried taking a look at logs of yourself playing and seeing if there are problems there? I'm sure posting a log in the DK forum here will let our mods help you out.

13 hours ago, alleraz said:

Edit: it does seem that the belt is indeed better after simming it. gained about 40k dps.

Confirming.

[alleraz 11]

6 hours ago, Blainie said:

This is most likely going to be a playstyle issue, rather than a build one - Obliteration is absolutely destroying the top ranks at the moment, with HRW barely even appearing on the rankings. Have you tried taking a look at logs of yourself playing and seeing if there are problems there? I'm sure posting a log in the DK forum here will let our mods help you out.

Confirming.

I think the issue Im having with Obli is during Obli I get RP capped easily and I try to spend it and loose the majority of Obli(kinda have to get used to HW also triggering it). I have to work on that a little more and so far I think I'm a little more stable at it, just need not to get worried about capping RP as much during Obli and wasting Obli procs.

Wouldn't the belt be overall better than Cold heart for this build? Just curious since the Belt increases sustained damage and goes well with Obli while Cold heart is a little more bursty.

Edited September 2, 2017 by alleraz

[Valks 2,373]

On 9/2/2017 at 8:58 PM, alleraz said:

I think the issue Im having with Obli is during Obli I get RP capped easily and I try to spend it and loose the majority of Obli(kinda have to get used to HW also triggering it). I have to work on that a little more and so far I think I'm a little more stable at it, just need not to get worried about capping RP as much during Obli and wasting Obli procs.

Wouldn't the belt be overall better than Cold heart for this build? Just curious since the Belt increases sustained damage and goes well with Obli while Cold heart is a little more bursty.

Cold Heart still grans a better overall damage increase and, at least in ToS, functions better for the fights. Belt is definitely viable instead of Cold Heart, but CH will do better in a perfect situation.

[herrde 0]

I got some pretty decent results by picking Frostscythe and BoS which I THINK is also the best "allround combination". Choosing GS/OB instead is obviously better on single targets, but during AoE encounters, DPS drops like crazy then. So if you don't like switching talents back and forth between ST and AoE situations in raids (like me, being a casual), then I'd say that Frostscythe and BoS work fantastic on AoE encounters such as e.g. Mistress while still doing a reasonable job on ST encounters like Goroth.

As I don't have Cold Heart, I'm using Toravon and SoN together with Frostscythe and BoS currently. SoN mostly because of the additional charge of Empower Rune Weapon for BoS, but I'm still not sure if I should equip Koltira instead....! What do you guys think?

Any thoughts on any of the above?

Edited September 12, 2017 by herrde

[alleraz 11]

46 minutes ago, herrde said:

I got some pretty decent results by picking Frostscythe and BoS which I THINK is also the best "allround combination". Choosing GS/OB instead is obviously better on single targets, but during AoE encounters, DPS drops like crazy then. So if you don't like switching talents back and forth between ST and AoE situations in raids (like me, being a casual), then I'd say that Frostscythe and BoS work fantastic on AoE encounters such as e.g. Mistress while still doing a reasonable job on ST encounters like Goroth.

As I don't have Cold Heart, I'm using Toravon and SoN together with Frostscythe and BoS currently. SoN mostly because of the additional charge of Empower Rune Weapon for BoS, but I'm still not sure if I should equip Koltira instead....! What do you guys think?

Any thoughts on any of the above?

I would take Obli instead of BoS and keep frostscythe for a good mix of Aoe and ST. With that build use Koltira instead of SoN since Obli is very resource friendly. Also theres only 2 encounters in ToS that benefit purly Aoe and thats Mistress and Hartijan so running BoS isnt actually that beneficial for the whole raid(unless u count trash, which no one really does).

[Valks 2,373]

22 hours ago, herrde said:

I got some pretty decent results by picking Frostscythe and BoS which I THINK is also the best "allround combination". Choosing GS/OB instead is obviously better on single targets, but during AoE encounters, DPS drops like crazy then. So if you don't like switching talents back and forth between ST and AoE situations in raids (like me, being a casual), then I'd say that Frostscythe and BoS work fantastic on AoE encounters such as e.g. Mistress while still doing a reasonable job on ST encounters like Goroth.

Even on Harjatan and Mistress, out of 20 top parses, only 1 is using BoS. The variance of their builds is in the level 75 talents generally, where they swap between Permafrost and IA. Pretty much everything else is exactly the same, with them running Runic, ME, Icecap, Winter is Coming, their preference, Gathering Storm, Obliteration.

22 hours ago, herrde said:

As I don't have Cold Heart, I'm using Toravon and SoN together with Frostscythe and BoS currently. SoN mostly because of the additional charge of Empower Rune Weapon for BoS, but I'm still not sure if I should equip Koltira instead....! What do you guys think?

Yes, use Koltira over SoN.

[Valks 2,373]

21 hours ago, alleraz said:

I would take Obli instead of BoS and keep frostscythe for a good mix of Aoe and ST. With that build use Koltira instead of SoN since Obli is very resource friendly. Also theres only 2 encounters in ToS that benefit purly Aoe and thats Mistress and Hartijan so running BoS isnt actually that beneficial for the whole raid(unless u count trash, which no one really does).

Thanks for helping with that :)

[Hybie 0]

I still do not understand why people will use GS over Frostscythe.  Even in a single target fight you will generate more dps from using Frostscythe with a KM proc than you will with using Obliterate.  Please note, you only use frostscythe with a KM proc, any other situation you use obliterate.

[Valks 2,373]

On 11/9/2017 at 5:02 PM, Hybie said:

I still do not understand why people will use GS over Frostscythe.  Even in a single target fight you will generate more dps from using Frostscythe with a KM proc than you will with using Obliterate. 

Top logs from Goroth disagree. All 10 using GS on every difficulty.

[Guest shattering strikes]

greetings,

i saw a lot of theorycrafting about DK frost and never saw anyone talking about shattering strikes

it worth? (ofc i say that assuming razorice on both weapons)
the 15% str its better then the buff on froststrike (60%) ?

with both weapons with razorice we get the 5 stacks very quick

and our mastery benefit it too