Havoc Demon Hunter 7.3

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On 5/24/2017 at 8:08 AM, Sibelius said:

Anyone know what the haste cap should be?

There is no discernible haste cap for Havoc.

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On 5/31/2017 at 8:27 PM, Guest Demon Hunter said:

Is Fel Rush at 2 stacks still a priority in single target? A lot of Mythic videos I've watch show the Demon Hunter never using Fel Rush unless there is AOE involved. I also feel like sometimes you have downtime between your Demon Blades procs because of this. I feel like I lose DPS when I go out my way to use Fel Rush.

It's very important to time it around your auto attacks when using DB. Try to download an auto attack tracker, so that you can time it efficiently between autos and still turn in time for your next one.

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21 hours ago, Guest Keyadaridan said:

If First Blood is the best talent for single target, why are most Demon Hunters going with Chaos cleave for most fights? I only see First Blood being used on Tichondrius. I understand that some fights have cleave but what about Krosus? There isn't that much cleave at all.

Asking Wordup.

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On 7.6.2017 at 6:31 PM, Guest Keyadaridan said:

If First Blood is the best talent for single target, why are most Demon Hunters going with Chaos cleave for most fights? I only see First Blood being used on Tichondrius. I understand that some fights have cleave but what about Krosus? There isn't that much cleave at all.

Because with only one Critical Chaos Relic and round about 31% mastery you already outperform FB Dmg. When you are able to run with 7/7 Critical Chaos relics you deal better dps with CC

[Whisla 76]

Sad day for demon hunters, so sad.

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15 hours ago, Icy2210 said:

Because with only one Critical Chaos Relic and round about 31% mastery you already outperform FB Dmg. When you are able to run with 7/7 Critical Chaos relics you deal better dps with CC

Thanks for helping to answer that Icy! Confirming from our end.

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13 hours ago, Whisla said:

Sad day for demon hunters, so sad.

It is, indeed. It's a shame there was such a heavy hand involved in the buffing/nerfing, but perhaps there are more positive things in the future!

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6 hours ago, Blainie said:

It is, indeed. It's a shame there was such a heavy hand involved in the buffing/nerfing, but perhaps there are more positive things in the future!

I dont really mind the little nerfs here or there, I am happy CB is going to last longer. What really gets me is that there was 0 communication to the DH community for the entire patch, and they took away our only mechnical change

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On 6/10/2017 at 6:23 PM, Whisla said:

I dont really mind the little nerfs here or there, I am happy CB is going to last longer. What really gets me is that there was 0 communication to the DH community for the entire patch, and they took away our only mechnical change

I know what you mean - you would rather have had them explain their intentions, explain why they reverted it and so on. It's a shame that there wasn't more of it - a few other specs were in the same boat and, from what I can see, there's a fair few unhappy people in different communities!

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We are currently in the process of updating our guides in preparation for the release of 7.2.5 - all questions about "What is better for 7.2.5, X or Y?" will be answered in our guide updates. Thanks for your patience while we get everything completed and good luck in the new patch!

[Whisla 76]

@Blainie or @wordup Iv been trying to decide on a new lego combo and I was starting to settle on the new ring and cloak. I know aothg is current single target top but would the combo I mentioned come out farther ahead? I only say this because you would 1 be able to keep using blade dance with first blood which in my mind is preferable for the cloak, but you would also get the chaotic onslaught which I have been seeing more and more people use with better gear. (mastery at about 32~33%) seems to have it out perform first blood.

So the tldr: is the 2 legos introduced this patch a good enough combo to drop the aothg ring?

[Guest S7ageNinja]

Please update trinket sims with Darkmoon Deck: Dominion at ilvl 900 (full obliterum)

[Guest TheDude]

So are you going to add an additional information regarding tier 20 choices? Because I know on the list for BiS items it has the tier cloak.. But the new legendary cloak out and being OP especially for T20 being built around BD leaves us with choosing either tier gloves or chest having to be in there for 4 piece bonus.. Which would we be choosing? I was thinking gloves, because it has a crap ton of vers meaning for bigger BD hits.. Where as the chest has so little haste but yet a lot of mast... But with mast being so down there on the stat weights for T20 the tier chest wouldn't be worth grabbing eh? So most likely the tier gloves for when the legendary cloak is in the spot for the tier cloak? I know that list for say if someone doesn't have the legendary cloak.. The list is beautiful but should add this in.

If I am wrong then chest will be the go to lol

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12 hours ago, Guest TheDude said:

So are you going to add an additional information regarding tier 20 choices? Because I know on the list for BiS items it has the tier cloak.. But the new legendary cloak out and being OP especially for T20 being built around BD leaves us with choosing either tier gloves or chest having to be in there for 4 piece bonus.. Which would we be choosing? I was thinking gloves, because it has a crap ton of vers meaning for bigger BD hits.. Where as the chest has so little haste but yet a lot of mast... But with mast being so down there on the stat weights for T20 the tier chest wouldn't be worth grabbing eh? So most likely the tier gloves for when the legendary cloak is in the spot for the tier cloak? I know that list for say if someone doesn't have the legendary cloak.. The list is beautiful but should add this in.

If I am wrong then chest will be the go to lol

The BIS list does not take into account legos. Mainly because you cant say everyone has X lego or can get it. So while yes if u only have 2 legos and they take tier slots you probably want to use those over your tier. 

 

In short, if you have the cloak use it and if you want the tier use the chest to compensate. 

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On 6/13/2017 at 11:18 PM, Whisla said:

So the tldr: is the 2 legos introduced this patch a good enough combo to drop the aothg ring?

The cloak is certainly very strong, but the new ring just isn't good enough to replace AotHG unfortunately. You'll likely run old ring + new cloak.

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On 6/13/2017 at 11:35 PM, Guest S7ageNinja said:

Please update trinket sims with Darkmoon Deck: Dominion at ilvl 900 (full obliterum)

This will likely be updated in the coming days, since it requires resimming alongside the new bonuses.

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On 6/14/2017 at 0:44 PM, Guest TheDude said:

So most likely the tier gloves for when the legendary cloak is in the spot for the tier cloak? I know that list for say if someone doesn't have the legendary cloak.. The list is beautiful but should add this in.

Use tier chest if you have cloak. Both chest and gloves on tier are terribly itemised, but chest is slightly better.

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16 hours ago, Blainie said:

The cloak is certainly very strong, but the new ring just isn't good enough to replace AotHG unfortunately. You'll likely run old ring + new cloak.

What Blainie said here is pretty much the consensus right now. Cloak plays too well into new bonuses and talent archetypes, but AotHG basically fixes up some of the gaps in Fury generation that accompanies the T20 set as well. Cloak also applies the damage buff before Blade Dance/Death Sweep damage fires, so receives the bonus for free.

Shoulders are probably the closest contender and in some fights will see a showing I suspect come Tomb with some fights, but from what everything we have in place now, outside of those 3 it's much more grey. Obviously your tier choices should wrap around the legendaries you have, but the "bis" list is mostly "what is the best item I can obtain from Tomb in that slot", rather than it being the best item you should always equip, due to the legendary clashes.

With regards to DMC etc. sims, they'll be going up asap as it wasn't apparant that crafted items would be moving up to 900. Apologies for that :)

[Naabi 0]

Has anyone found the new stat weights anywhere? (for pawn)

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On 6/16/2017 at 8:40 AM, Naabi said:

Has anyone found the new stat weights anywhere? (for pawn)

Your best bet for finding stat weights would be to sim your character, since it provides far more accurate numbers than what general weights could provide.

[Guest Typheous]

Not sure if this has been addressed, but what is the respective DPS gain for 2pc and 4pc t20?

[Ton 0]

Hi, i like the guide. Im finding my dps a bit too low on bosses when using your mythic plus build, any tips?(using raddons eye and anger[970 both])

Also, can you pls list a % wise stat list for single target bosses, i know you always want crit about 40% atleast (closer to 50% if u can), but haste is something im not sure where to keep around, more than 10% i assume.

-Thanks!

 

[Kayfabe 0]

So with our new buff to demons bite, has there been any testing to see if it's viable?

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18 hours ago, Kayfabe said:

So with our new buff to demons bite, has there been any testing to see if it's viable?

nah its still bad

[Whisla 76]

I am now really curious to see if our stats will shift again. also wonder if blades will finally be dethroned. Personally I like demonic appetite more, but id rather have that AND blades.