Vlad

Class Order Halls - Resources and Advancements

56 posts in this topic

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Awesome guide and very helpful, thank you. I just have a quick question, when questing in Suramar before unlocking world quests, would it be worth it to keep the quest gear tier one upgrade? I am level 108 right now, and only need friendly with Val'Sharah. I've heard Suramar quests offer pretty good gear, so I was just curious. Thanks!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Lyshnek said:

Awesome guide and very helpful, thank you. I just have a quick question, when questing in Suramar before unlocking world quests, would it be worth it to keep the quest gear tier one upgrade? I am level 108 right now, and only need friendly with Val'Sharah. I've heard Suramar quests offer pretty good gear, so I was just curious. Thanks!

Yes, it would be worth keeping it for the start of Suramar!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Blainie said:

Yes, it would be worth keeping it for the start of Suramar!

Thank you very much for all the help, I didn't read a whole lot about Legion before its launch haha.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Regarding the order hall upgrades:

The minor troop upgrade does not add a chance to counter a boss, at least not for Druids. It increases success chance on missions with minions, which is independent of a boss. Only the special troop (and champions) can counter a boss.

The special troop upgrade is being recommended above all else for the classes that can get it. Ultimately it's "only" another almost-champion to send on missions and it's only available once a day due to the very long build time. Seeing how (especially with the companion app) the "normal" amount of champions is enough to easily do all missions that are worthwhile I don't really see the benefit of having another troop. It won't allow for more missions to be completed (since champions and regular troops already complete all of them) and it doesn't offer more success chance than a combination of higher troops and champions. The alternate trait on the other hand will save tons of resources in the long run which is quite practical.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 7.9.2016 at 4:14 PM, Guest Kyo said:

Can you please clarify the choice suggested for Tier 4? I can't tell which it is recommending, I'm guessing the second.

I suggest using the greater troop upgrade, so the second one, yes.

1 hour ago, Guest Volti said:

Regarding the order hall upgrades:

The minor troop upgrade does not add a chance to counter a boss, at least not for Druids. It increases success chance on missions with minions, which is independent of a boss. Only the special troop (and champions) can counter a boss.

The special troop upgrade is being recommended above all else for the classes that can get it. Ultimately it's "only" another almost-champion to send on missions and it's only available once a day due to the very long build time. Seeing how (especially with the companion app) the "normal" amount of champions is enough to easily do all missions that are worthwhile I don't really see the benefit of having another troop. It won't allow for more missions to be completed (since champions and regular troops already complete all of them) and it doesn't offer more success chance than a combination of higher troops and champions. The alternate trait on the other hand will save tons of resources in the long run which is quite practical.

The first point is actually a mix-up due to wording. Apologies, I'll fix this ASAP, thanks for bringing it to my attention. My bad!

For your second point, I initally felt the same as you. As I tested it further on the beta, I honestly felt there was a HUGE abundance of order resources and nothing to spend it on. I don't know how much you played in WoD, but garrison resources reached a point very quickly where they were simply useless. I felt that order resources hit the same point, so I would rather have had the special troop.

I'll add a more in-depth explanation of the two choices to the guide.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Agreed, order resources seem abundant right now. But the special troop is quite useless, too. With both being useless it ultimately doesn't matter much which one is taken.

BUT order resources might actually become not useless / abundant once you stop doing the world quests for resources. Those are the main generators for them and I at least don't plan to do them forever. Right now I take them to finish emissary quests but after reaching exalted I plan to just stop doing world quests altogether. I'll be happy to have a huge resource cushion in order to be able to get seals and do missions for weeks or even months without having to farm resources.

So yes, right now order resources are useless since everyone is doing world quests but in the long run I might want to save a few. Might as well, since the extra troop doesn't really give me any benefits anyway (since, especially with the companion app, I can simply do all missions with the champions and troops I already have).

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
10 hours ago, Guest Volti said:

Agreed, order resources seem abundant right now. But the special troop is quite useless, too. With both being useless it ultimately doesn't matter much which one is taken.

BUT order resources might actually become not useless / abundant once you stop doing the world quests for resources. Those are the main generators for them and I at least don't plan to do them forever. Right now I take them to finish emissary quests but after reaching exalted I plan to just stop doing world quests altogether. I'll be happy to have a huge resource cushion in order to be able to get seals and do missions for weeks or even months without having to farm resources.

So yes, right now order resources are useless since everyone is doing world quests but in the long run I might want to save a few. Might as well, since the extra troop doesn't really give me any benefits anyway (since, especially with the companion app, I can simply do all missions with the champions and troops I already have).

I see your point, fair enough. I'll adjust the commentary on that tier to state that, essentially, it is ultimately your choice. Neither provides some HUGE benefit and you can pick whichever you prefer. I'll give separate advice depending on the person's intentions and what they plan to do in the future of the game.

Thanks for the feedback and I'll make sure to get it updated!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

A couple of notes about Eagle Ally, the Tier 2 Hunter advancement.  First, these flight paths are NOT connected to standard flight paths, nor are they interconnected with eachother, meaning to use the Eagle Flight Paths you are restricted to travel along them in one long, looping line.  Second, the Flight Master's Whistle will send you to one of the unconnected Eagle Flight Path's, making it more hindrance than help.  This makes it far less useful than the teleportation nexus for mages.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Guest Justin said:

A couple of notes about Eagle Ally, the Tier 2 Hunter advancement.  First, these flight paths are NOT connected to standard flight paths, nor are they interconnected with eachother, meaning to use the Eagle Flight Paths you are restricted to travel along them in one long, looping line.  Second, the Flight Master's Whistle will send you to one of the unconnected Eagle Flight Path's, making it more hindrance than help.  This makes it far less useful than the teleportation nexus for mages.

Thanks for pointing this out! I especially did not know about the interaction with the whistle. I'll make changes to reflect this info in the next update.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

a quick note that might be worth indicating is for the Tier 2 monk Brewhouse, the daily tapping of the keg does have a chance to reward you with the hidden appearance for the Brewmaster artifact, which could be incentive for some to keep it around even if the buff brews are not of much use

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
30 minutes ago, Guest Amythist said:

a quick note that might be worth indicating is for the Tier 2 monk Brewhouse, the daily tapping of the keg does have a chance to reward you with the hidden appearance for the Brewmaster artifact, which could be incentive for some to keep it around even if the buff brews are not of much use

I'll get that added! Is there a chance for any of the other hidden appearances (WW/MW), that you are aware of?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I have a quick question. For tier 4, druidso have two troops to choose from, but the recommendation is that the player choose the troop. Which of the two should druids take?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, Guest Dudeski said:

I have a quick question. For tier 4, druidso have two troops to choose from, but the recommendation is that the player choose the troop. Which of the two should druids take?

Apologies, that's an oversight, Take Force of the Forest, it is the better of the two.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 9/12/2016 at 1:38 AM, Blainie said:

I'll get that added! Is there a chance for any of the other hidden appearances (WW/MW), that you are aware of?

Not exclusive to monks, it seems some of the other classes have appearances related to their unique Tier 2 choice.

Alternate appearance items can drop for:
Vengeance Demon Hunters (from Twisting Nether advancement)

Restoration Druids (From Rich Soil)

Frost Mages (From Portal Nexus)

Destruction Warlocks (From Demonic Offering)

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, Guest The Busybody said:

Not exclusive to monks, it seems some of the other classes have appearances related to their unique Tier 2 choice.

Thanks! Will do some more research and update this section, as well as the "hidden artifact" section. Most likely coming mid-week this week.

Thanks once again :)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 9/9/2016 at 3:56 PM, Guest Justin said:

A couple of notes about Eagle Ally, the Tier 2 Hunter advancement.  First, these flight paths are NOT connected to standard flight paths, nor are they interconnected with eachother, meaning to use the Eagle Flight Paths you are restricted to travel along them in one long, looping line.  Second, the Flight Master's Whistle will send you to one of the unconnected Eagle Flight Path's, making it more hindrance than help.  This makes it far less useful than the teleportation nexus for mages.

While true, I found that the fast "flying" or at least the 2 minute gliding from the eagle feathers wind up being more useful than the flying itself.  Since I never made any of the additional gliders in WoD, nor the other gliding "toys", I found that helpful.  That alone makes it helpful, especially in high elevation change areas in Broken Isles.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 hours ago, Guest Dogar said:

While true, I found that the fast "flying" or at least the 2 minute gliding from the eagle feathers wind up being more useful than the flying itself.  Since I never made any of the additional gliders in WoD, nor the other gliding "toys", I found that helpful.  That alone makes it helpful, especially in high elevation change areas in Broken Isles.

I'm glad to hear the other side of the argument here. I had to weigh up both when considering recommendations, so I'm glad someone found the same usefulness that I did!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Please update t2 warrior advancement choice:

  • Warrior: A chance at loot from the Circle of Glory is the best choice in the early game, while the mission duration reduction will be best once raids have released.

 

The rewards from this are nowhere close to having 20% reduced mission time.  I have talked to many warriors in my class hall that have been disappointed that they followed icy veins guide on this and now have to wait an extra 3 days to switch back.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 9/27/2016 at 4:36 PM, Guest Tibolt said:

Please update t2 warrior advancement choice:

  • Warrior: A chance at loot from the Circle of Glory is the best choice in the early game, while the mission duration reduction will be best once raids have released.

 

The rewards from this are nowhere close to having 20% reduced mission time.  I have talked to many warriors in my class hall that have been disappointed that they followed icy veins guide on this and now have to wait an extra 3 days to switch back.

Hi there!

I'm sorry to hear that, I definitely wasn't intending for that result with the guide. I agree that I underestimated the value of the reduction when considering the campaign missions rather than just looking at the order hall missions on the whole. You are correct, the reduction is the best choice and I will update to reflect that. 

Thanks for pointing it out and once again, sorry!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hey

TL;DR: add TL;DR section to your guides or disappear from google.

So this will probably never pass moderation.

Every time I enter icy-veins I'm disappointed with your page. You have awesome guides, really detailed, worth reading and so on. But whenever I google some general topics like "druid order advancement" your webpage is on top. And when I google such topic I don't want to read 8 pages long guide, I just want straight answers. "On tier 4 chose this, because its best". Your webpage gives full detailed list of all possible choices with totally too long description, but no real advice. Or perhaps there are some, but well hidden and I've never got there. So please could you make your webpage appear second on google, not first? 

Sometimes long reading is required, like mastering your character. And then you're too shallow, more advanced studies are required. But when something could be simply answered "A is better than B" then your page on top of google makes it sound difficult. Adding '-icy' to every google search is annoying, so could you make something that you don't pop on top of google results?

Best regards

Alamakze

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 10/8/2016 at 0:58 AM, alamakze said:

Hey

TL;DR: add TL;DR section to your guides or disappear from google.

So this will probably never pass moderation.

Every time I enter icy-veins I'm disappointed with your page. You have awesome guides, really detailed, worth reading and so on. But whenever I google some general topics like "druid order advancement" your webpage is on top. And when I google such topic I don't want to read 8 pages long guide, I just want straight answers. "On tier 4 chose this, because its best". Your webpage gives full detailed list of all possible choices with totally too long description, but no real advice. Or perhaps there are some, but well hidden and I've never got there. So please could you make your webpage appear second on google, not first? 

Sometimes long reading is required, like mastering your character. And then you're too shallow, more advanced studies are required. But when something could be simply answered "A is better than B" then your page on top of google makes it sound difficult. Adding '-icy' to every google search is annoying, so could you make something that you don't pop on top of google results?

Best regards

Alamakze

We don't decide where our page appears on google.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Quick request for updating on this guide, the Tier 5 paladin and Demon Hunter Tier 5 upgrade to complete world quests was hotfixed last week or so. You can now use the items (which only take 10 minutes to make now) to complete a basic world quest every 18 hours instead of 3 days.

Personally I've found this useful in completing the PvP world quests (which I'm not keen on doing) and thus gaining honor and prestige ranks without needing to do the quests, but it's your call. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 10/16/2016 at 10:10 AM, SingingPaladin said:

Personally I've found this useful in completing the PvP world quests (which I'm not keen on doing) and thus gaining honor and prestige ranks without needing to do the quests, but it's your call. 

Ah, very interesting. I actually didn't think about this application at all after the hotfix, since I'm someone that actively PvPs alongside PvE. It didn't really register that people might struggle with the PvP quests. Thanks for letting me know!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Your content will need to be approved by a moderator

Guest
You are commenting as a guest. If you have an account, please sign in.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Similar Content

    • By Stan
      It's a good idea to wait and turn your Emissary quests in after the latest content update goes live tomorrow, and here's why.
      Artifact Knowledge Enabled Again
      Artifact Knowledge catchup will be enabled again tomorrow and the amount of Artifact Power needed to level up your Heart of Azeroth will gradually decrease starting the week of January 22.

      Talanji's Expedition Emissary rewards 1,000 Artifact Power. Tomorrow, the amount of XP needed to level up your Heart of Azeroth will decrease, resulting in more Experience.
      Improved Emissary Rewards
      Item level of Azerite gear rewards from Emissaries will be increased in Season 2. Hold off turning in the quest for a chance to receive Season 2 Azerite gear with the new outer ring.

      The Zandalari Empire Emissary rewards an Azerite Armor Cache today on US realms. Tomorrow, Azerite gear acquired from Emissary World Quests will have an increased item level and you will have a chance to receive new Azerite gear with the new outer ring, so don't turn the quest in just yet!
    • By Stan
      Game Director Ion Hazzikostas will be answering your Tides of Vengeance and Season 2 questions on Friday at 11:00 a.m. PST.
      Blizzard (Source)
      Join us live on Twitch on Thursday, January 24 as we sit down with Game Director Ion Hazzikostas for our next live developer Q&A, where he’ll be answering your questions on the latest content update—Tides of Vengeance and Season 2 questions.
      Submit your questions by posting in this forum thread or via Twitter using the hashtag #WarcraftQA.
      We’re looking forward to getting the chance to dive in and answer as much as we can; we hope to see you Friday at 11:00 a.m. PST!
    • By Stan
      Battle of Dazar'alor opens tomorrow and we've updated our guides section with new raid guides.
      Overview
      Battle for Azeroth's second raid, Battle of Dazar'alor, houses 9 bosses. It comes with a unique flashback mechanic that transforms your raid into the opposing faction with racials included, to witness the story from their perspective. Certain boss encounters are faction-specific and the boss order is different for each faction.
      Alliance players will be transformed into Horde players for the last three bosses: High Tinker Mekkatorque, Stormwall Blockade and Jaina Proudmoore.
      Horde players will be transformed into Alliance players for Opulence, Conclave of the Chosen, and King Rastakhan.
      Raid Unlock Schedule
      The minimum item level for Raid Finder is 350. We'll be covering the Mythic Race starting January 29.
      January 22* Normal & Heroic Difficulties January 29 Mythic & Raid Finder Wing 1 February 12 Raid Finder Wing 2 February 26 Raid Finder WIng 3 * add +1 day for EU
      Battle of Dazar'alor Raid Guides
      We've updated our guide section with strategy guides for all encounters within Battle of Dazar'alor. You can find the individual boss order for both factions below.
      Battle of Dazar'alor Alliance Boss Order

      Champion of the Light Strategy Guide

      Jadefire Masters Strategy Guide

      Grong, the Revenant Strategy Guide

      Opulence Strategy Guide

      Conclave of the Chosen Strategy Guide

      King Rastakhan Strategy Guide

      High Tinker Mekkatorque Strategy Guide

      Stormwall Blockade Strategy Guide

      Lady Jaina Proudmoore Strategy Guide
      Battle of Dazar'alor Horde Boss Order

      Champion of the Light Strategy Guide

      Grong, the Jungle Lord Strategy Guide

      Jadefire Masters Strategy Guide

      Opulence Strategy Guide

      Conclave of the Chosen Strategy Guide

      King Rastakhan Strategy Guide

      High Tinker Mekkatorque Strategy Guide

      Stormwall Blockade Strategy Guide

      Lady Jaina Proudmoore Strategy Guide
      Battle of Dazar'alor opens tomorrow and we have you covered with our raid guides!
    • By Stan
      Forbes recently interviewed Morgan Day about Mythic+ and the Mythic Dungeon Invitational and here's a recap of the interview.
      Check out the full interview over at Forbes
      Interview Highlights
      Changes are coming to the MDI in 2019 and you can find an overview in this post. The beginning of MDI closely lines up with the introduction of Reaping and Season 2. Mythic+ is extremely popular and half of the players at level 120 are engaging in Mythic+ content. Certain creatures within dungeons have mechanics that quickly ramp up damage and it was necessary to put a soft cap in those instances, because the fights would become impossible on Tyrannical. There's a fix set of affix combinations that activate each week. The Fortified + Teeming affix combo hasn't been adjusted for Season 2, because Infested that caused a lot of frustrating pulls in combination with said affixes is going away and with Reaping coming in, the system is going to take care of itself. Monsters summoned by the Season 2 Reaping affix don't gain Fortified themselves, but the creature will spawn at half the health of the creature that dies, so it will gain a small percentage of Fortified. There are currently no plans to come up with a system that allows easy key re-rolling. Instead, they'd like to adjust dungeons and bring the huge outliers down a bit. They adjusted King's Rest about a month ago.
    • By Stan
      Improvements to Azerite Armor are coming on January 22. Blizzard added a new outer ring with two spec-specific traits to all armor acquired after Mythic Season 2 starts and the new raid opens. You will be able to get the new gear from PvP Season 2, Battle of Dazar'alor, World Quest Emissaries, and from the Titan Residuum vendor, who sells upgraded wares at a higher cost.
      New Azerite powers will become available in Tides of Vengeance Part II. Check out our updated Class guides for more details. 10 more ranks of Azerite Knowledge will be added over the course of January 22 through March. The catchup has been disabled for now, but it will commence soon. Reaching Friendly, Honored, and Revered and with Champions of Azeroth will unlock the appropriate quests to upgrade your Heart of Azeroth for all characters on your account. The cost of Azerite Reforging has been reduced from 72 hours to 24 hours. Blizzard (Source)
      Since the launch of Battle for Azeroth, players have been empowering their Heart of Azeroth and collecting Azerite armor to gear up for the battles ahead. Since then, we’ve made a variety of adjustments to the system—and we have a few more updates coming with the second part of Tides of Vengeance on January 22 that we’d like go into more detail on today.
      With the release of Battle for Azeroth Season 2, we’re introducing new epic Azerite pieces that you can acquire through a variety of methods, including Season 2 PvP, the Battle of Dazar’alor raid, World Quest Emissaries, and from the Mythic Keystone vendor Thaumaturge Vashreen in Zuldazar and Boralus. These new items will have a fifth ring with additional new trait options and is available at Heart of Azeroth level 15.  
      This new outer ring provides two choices of traits per specialization, giving players an opportunity to find items that have traits they particularly want—and the freedom to create new and interesting combinations that may not have been possible before. This additional ring of traits makes each item have a larger impact on your character’s overall power.
      Outer Ring:
      Powers that reside in the new outer ring provide two additional trait options for each of your character’s available specializations.  Example:
      Moment of Repose (Discipline) (Passive) Pain Suppression applies Atonement to the target and instantly heals them for 15,313. Second Ring:
      Powers that reside on the second ring from the outside will often be influenced by where you collected the piece of armor they’re found on. These powers can also be associated with specific class specializations.. Example:
      Seductive Power (Passive) Your spells and abilities have a chance to conjure Bwonsamdi’s spectral visage, beckoning you closer. If you approach him, gain 57 to all stats for 5 minutes, stacking up to 5 times. If you fail to heed his call, lose 1 stack. Third Ring:
      These powers generally benefit the performance of your in-game role—they’ll provide damage increases for DPS classes, increase damage mitigation for tanks, or bolster healing output for healers. Example:
      Bracing Chill (Passive) Your heals have a chance to apply Bracing Chill. Healing a target with Bracing Chill will heal for an additional 2,574 and move Bracing Chill to a nearby ally (up to 6 times). Fourth Ring:
      These are defensive or utility-oriented powers for your class. Example:
      Vampiric Speed (Passive) When an enemy you harmed dies, you heal for 6,361 and gain 93 Speed for 6 seconds. Fifth Ring:
      Azerite Empowerment is the power that resides at the center, and increases an armor piece’s item level by 5.  New Traits to Discover
      You’ll also find new location-specific traits that scale with item level and are available on gear from the Battle of Dazar’alor raid, including:
      Bonded Souls : Your spells and abilities have a chance to trigger a Soulbond for 15 seconds. During Soulbond, every 5 seconds you and your nearest ally are both healed for 3,456 and gain 141 Haste for 5 seconds. Seductive Power: Your spells and abilities have a chance to conjure Bwonsamdi’s spectral visage, beckoning you closer. If you approach him, gain 26 to all stats for 5 minutes, stacking up to 5 times. If you fail to heed his call, lose 1 Stack.  Treacherous Covenant: Your primary stat is increased by 151 while you are above 50% health. You take 15% increased damage while below 20% health. Azerite Knowledge
      With the start of Season 2, we’re also adding 10 more ranks of Azerite Knowledge over the course of  January 22 through March. Each rank of Artifact Knowledge increases the speed at which your Heart of Azeroth levels up.
      Tides of Vengeance Recap: Trait Updates and Additions
      With the launch of Tides of Vengeance on December 11, we replaced many of the Azerite traits we weren’t happy with and continue to iterate on various elements of the system to provide variety and flexibility in player gear choices.
      NEW TRAITS IN THE DARKSHORE WARFRONT
      It’s a good time to keep an eye on the shifting tides of the Darkshore Warfront. We added many new Azerite Armor traits that are just waiting to be collected, including:
      Ancients' Bulwark: Standing still grants you Deep Roots, increasing your Versatility by 179. Moving instead grants you Uprooted, healing you for 259 every 1 second. Apothecary's Concoctions: Your damaging abilities have a chance to deal 1,262 Plague damage over 6 seconds, and your healing abilities have a chance to restore 2,415 health over 6 seconds. These effects are increased by up to 100% based on the target’s missing health. Endless Hunger: Your Versatility is increased by 179. Moving near an enemy’s corpse consumes their essence, restoring 1,815 health.  Shadow of Elune: Your spells and abilities have a chance to increase your Haste by 465 for 15 seconds. At night, you also gain 10% movement speed for the duration. HEART OF AZEROTH LEVELING AND GEARING UP
      Reaching Friendly, Honored, or Revered reputation with the Champions of Azeroth faction now unlocks the appropriate quests to upgrade your Heart of Azeroth for all characters on your account.  
      The cost to change Azerite traits has been reduced from 72 hours to 24 hours.
      We’ve also added a new way for players who participate in Mythic Keystone Dungeons to gain specific Azerite Armor. These players will be able to earn a new currency—Titan Residuum—which can be used to purchase specific items from Thaumaturge Vashreen now located in either Zuldazar or Boralus. You can read more in our forum post.
      Season 2 and the Battle of Dazar’alor are just around the corner—are you ready for the challenges that await?