L0rinda

Disguised Toast: Weasel Tunneler Experiments

Sign in to follow this  

13 posts in this topic

mKdbjPd.png

YouTuber, Disguised Toast, is never far from the front of Hearthstone science, and his latest video is spectacular. This video investigates the strange interactions caused by Weasel Tunneler's Deathrattle.

Weasel Tunneler's Deathrattle seems simple enough, it reads: Shuffle this minion into your opponent's deck. However, when tested by Disguised Toast, it turns out that even this simple looking text can result in rather odd results. The ordering of other Deathrattles on the board, and effects by other cards on Deathrattles is what makes it so unpredictable. Take a look for yourself!

The fact your deck displays as full, no matter how many cards left, is probably the strangest interaction of all. Even Toast doesn't  attempt to describe how that one happens.

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The only thing that I don't understand is why Blizzard haven't hired Disguised Toast to (pre-release) play-test Hearthstone.  

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
14 hours ago, mimech said:

The only thing that I don't understand is why Blizzard haven't hired Disguised Toast to (pre-release) play-test Hearthstone.  

Because NDA would make it impossible for him to make videos off of it. This way we have more fun and he can make videos out of it. Also, this bug has been known since day one, as can be seen in the video I posted above. Additionally, Blizzard does not really care about these bugs, as can be seen with Entomb and Djinni of Zephyrs.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, mimech said:

A thing you cannot know.

I just gave you the perfect example: 

14 hours ago, positiv2 said:

as can be seen with Entomb and Djinni of Zephyrs.

At first it was intentional, then Brode changed his mind and said it was unintentional and we were told it'd fixed, but it still has not been fixed. Also, there is a list of known bugs. Some of them date back to Naxx. Are you still sure I cannot know that they don't really care?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
12 hours ago, positiv2 said:

there is a list of known bugs.

They have a list, ergo they care. [My supposition.]

OR

They have a list which they haven't yet addressed, ergo they don't care. [Your supposition.]

---

Neither of us can know for sure whether they care, unless they tell us.  They haven't told me: have they told you?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
12 minutes ago, mimech said:

They have a list, ergo they care. [My supposition.]

OR

They have a list which they haven't yet addressed, ergo they don't care. [Your supposition.]

---

Neither of us can know for sure whether they care, unless they tell us.  They haven't told me: have they told you?

The list was made and is maintained by people outside of Blizzard/Activision. Blizzard support told me (a few months back) that they know about the list. This is why I assume they don't care that much. 
Now, these bugs are often quite niche (I mean, who plays Djinni anyway), so I don't really blame them for not fixing the bugs as they want to spend their time doing something that has effect on the whole playerbase, such as new interesting brawls, but what makes me sad is that they promise to fix bugs that they never actually do anything about. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm a programmer by trade, so my timescales are perhaps more pragmatic than most people.  That is: just because I haven't fixed the bug, it doesn't mean that I don't want to, or that I don't care about it, or that I have no intention of ever doing so.  However: pragmatism in a commercial enterprise often comes to the fore (as you describe), and the time to optimize gets squeezed (leading to the first rule of optimization: "don't do it").

I guess I was taken aback by the absolute (and somewhat denigrating) nature of the phrase "Blizzard does not really care".  I would myself suggest (given the caveat of my complete lack of knowledge of their internal thought processes) that perhaps they do care, but are working to a strict timetable with limited resources.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
56 minutes ago, mimech said:

I guess I was taken aback by the absolute (and somewhat denigrating) nature of the phrase "Blizzard does not really care".  I would myself suggest (given the caveat of my complete lack of knowledge of their internal thought processes) that perhaps they do care, but are working to a strict timetable with limited resources.

That's why I said "Blizzard does not really care about these bugs", by which I meant that they do not care enough to spend more time fixing non-gamebreaking bugs. I guess I should have used a different phrasing.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 12/8/2016 at 9:12 PM, positiv2 said:

I guess I should have used a different phrasing.

pSTqxrb.jpg

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Similar Content

    • By Zadina
      A new series of posts in the official forums will shed some light into the inner workings of the Hearthstone team. Welcome to Tavern Talk!
      In this first installment, three questions are answered. The first has to do with additional rewards for players who have earned a Golden Hero with every class. Unfortunately, no extra rewards are planned since the team wants new features or rewards to be obtainable by 10% or more of the playerbase.
      Then, we have an update on the new player experience. Team 5 wants to add additional ranks above rank 25 for new players, so they can mostly face each other in their first steps in the ranked ladder. You will be able to only progress forward in these ranks, similarly to what already happens from rank 25 to 20.
      Lastly, we have a double question about using alternate card art and reprinting cards. The team doesn't like the idea of alternate card art, since it makes sense that players associate and remember a specific card from its art. Reprinting cards is something that has been discussed already and it's something they might do in the not-so-near future after careful consideration.
      Jesse Hill
      Ever wondered what goes on behind the closed doors of the tavern? Ava and the crew’s antics aside, the Hearthstone development team works hard on a myriad of tasks to bring you the game you know and love so well. More than that, we also make the time to read about the different issues and questions the community brings to light each day. Welcome to Hearthstone Tavern Talk, where we’ll share with you answers to some of the questions we see in our community!
      Are there any additional rewards for players who have achieved a Golden Hero in every class?
      Usually when we add new features or rewards we like to make something that can be obtained by 10% or more of our players. Only very few of our players have the 9 Golden Heroes, and we feel that’s already pretty awesome by itself.
      Do you have any changes planned for the new player experience?
      We have some small ladder changes that we would like to do at some point, specifically targeted at new players when they first enter the game. The change will add some additional ranks above rank 25 that new players can play through before having to play more invested players. There will only be forward advancement through those ranks, so even if they lose, no one will be able to drop back down.
      What are your thoughts on alternate card art or reprints of cards from earlier sets?
      Alternate card art is something we have avoided because players almost always use art to recognize a card and instantly know what it does. Good gameplay is very important to us so we have avoided adding multiple pieces of art for a single card.
      Reprints are something that we have discussed in the past, but we would want to do so only after careful consideration. We don’t have any specific plans for this in the near future.
      See you at the next edition of Hearthstone Tavern Talk!
      (source)
    • By Zadina
      Choose Your Champion returns for the HCT Summer Championship 2018 with the promise of free Witchwood packs!
      Apart from the games of the championship itself, picking a favourite champion and following his progress has to be one of the most intense experiences while watching the Hearthstone Championship Tour!
      Sixteen players are going to battle it out in the Blizzard Arena in California for their share of a $250,000 prize pool and a spot at the World Championship finals. The tournament will take place from June 28 to July 1st. Here are the groups, each featuring a champion from four different regions:
      Group A Group B Group C Group D Rase A83650 Jinsoo Leaoh Viper BloodTrail Rugal killinallday XiaoT Nalguidan Turna Glory Tansoku YuYi Dog BunnyHoppor The voting happens on this site. Make sure you have chosen your champion until June 27 at 11.59 PDT. If you want to make a more informed choice, the decklists for each players have been published here.

      You will receive a free Witchwood pack just for participating in the voting and you can win up to 4 packs in total, depending on the performance of the player you've picked. Good luck!
    • By Zadina
      This is the second time this Brawl appears.
      The trend of Tavern Brawls themed after Death Knight Hero Powers continue: last week we had Rise of the Zombeasts, now we have Shadow Reflection.
      In this constructed Brawl, you can craft a deck of any size with cards from your collection. The rest of the deck will consist of Shadow Reflections. Decks consisted of 30 cards (and thus with no Shadow Reflections) can still work, given that Odd Paladin has reportedly been successful (and a total fun breaker).
      Judging from the previous time this Brawl was around, Aggro and OTK decks seems to be more favoured. Some decks that had success were Aggro Mage or Ice Lance Mage, Combo Priest with Radiant Elemental, Hunter with Mechwarper and Metaltooth Leaper and Quest Rogue. This time around a new Warrior deck, which mostly relies on Bring It On!, has surfaced to counter all the Priest Mind Blast madness.
      Good luck and have fun!
    • By positiv2
      This thread is for comments about our Togwaggle Druid guide.
    • By positiv2
      This is a list of Questions for Hearthstone sorted by their category. Any feedback and suggestions are very welcome.
      Hearthstone Common Questions
      Constructed
      Should I play Standard or Wild in Hearthstone? Economy
      Can Hearthstone daily quests be completed in Practice mode? Is there a way to trade cards with other players in Hearthstone? What are the rewards from Hearthstone Ranked Chests? What Hearthstone packs to buy? Where to get cards in Hearthstone? Where to spend gold in Hearthstone? Where to start in Hearthstone? Which Hearthstone cards to disenchant? Tavern Brawl
      When is Tavern Brawl open in Hearthstone? Technical
      Can Hearthstone be played offline? How do I multibox in Hearthstone? Other
      Are there achievements in Hearthstone? What decides who goes first in Hearthstone? Where to change card back in Hearthstone? Which Hearthstone class is the best?