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Volunteer Guard Day micro-holiday is here and Blizzard continues to discuss 7.2.5 Brewmaster Monk / Discipline Priest class changes.

Volunteer Guard Day

/Salute a guard to receive the Volunteer City GuardVolunteer City Guard buff. You will be periodically attacked by City Invaders. The buff persists through death. More details are included in our preview here.

Patch 7.2.5 Class Discussion

Class discussions are ongoing for Brewmaster Monks & Discipline Priest. If you've missed the previous round you can find it here.

Brewmaster Monk

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Lots of great feedback here on the latest build so far. Thanks.

Latest thoughts:
SpitfireSpitfire - It's a fun playstyle option for people, but having both defensive (even without it being an increase to Hot BloodedHot Blooded, it's still more Elusive BrawlerElusive Brawler stacks) and offensive value (more Breath of FireBreath of Fires for damage), it's hard to fit it anywhere in the talent tree, and it complicates artifact trait values. We're going to just cut if for now (may return at some point in the future when it fits in better). Niuzao will return, and will simply deal more damage to make him competitive with the row.

Blackout ComboBlackout Combo - Yeah, the 2sec rotation is problematic. Some people like the frantic gameplay, but we think other talent combinations deliver on that better anyway. The main problems with it are that it invalidates a ton of other talent choices, actually *reduces* rotational choice because you just combo everything instead of having to choose what you combo, causes energy capping issues, is a massive buff to the talent potentially upsetting talent balance, and is too fast-paced without any other contribution. We're going to return it to 3sec, where you can pair it with other GCD-filling talents to create the frantic playstyle if you prefer, without causing the above issues.

Hot BloodedHot Blooded and Dragonfire BrewDragonfire Brew - Baseline, Hot BloodedHot Blooded is very strong. 1% DR per bronze trait is already on the extremely strong side. The Legendary chest was created with Hot BloodedHot Blooded in mind as its defensive benefit. But that gets a little out of hand when we added 4th points to Bronzes, and you min/max relics, increasing it to the massively-OP level of 7% DR for a legendary. Then the 7.2.5 changes also add more Elusive BrawlerElusive Brawler stacks to that. We're going to adjust these two traits in order to better balance trait and legendary values: Dragonfire BrewDragonfire Brew will also increase the duration of Breath of FireBreath of Fire's DoT by 100%, giving it defensive value. Hot BloodedHot Blooded will now be active the whole time, instead of ~half the time without the Chest, and so is changing to 1% DR per point to compensate.

EDIT: Overall Tuning - As always, overall tuning happens late in the process. Don't worry about overall power level of Brewmasters when giving feedback on these changes.

Thanks all!

I have a feeling there's a disconnect between how much the monk community value those elusive brawler stack and how the Developers value them.

First off, as said many times, dodge doesn't do anything VS magic damage or VS any kind of boss threatening ability as they are undodgeable even if physical (ex: spellblade annihilate).

From a mythic raider point of view, those dodge stacks hardly do anything, as bosses auto-attack (the only thing that's dodgeable) are the least threatening form of damage we have to face.

From a M+ dungeon point of view, those stack comes and go so fast nobody will notice the buff... having 100% dodge chance for 1 auto-attack out of the 5+ weak mob training you hardly change anything... 

It's also one of the reason people hardly, if ever, use blackout combo to empower purify.

We value it based upon its actual real world value, not a theoretical worst case that doesn't actually exist. You should too.

Yes, Elusive BrawlerElusive Brawler does nothing against Magic/undodgeable damage. However, apart from some extremely niche situations like Star Auger, it's not that piercing damage alone that kills you; it's the combination of those and other damage that is dodgeable. Nowhere is this more true than on Brewmasters, where there is no spike damage, only smoothed total damage (which is mostly auto attack damage). Mastery drastically reduces the total damage you take, which is the only thing scary to a Brewmaster anyway.

Discipline Priest

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Thanks for all the feedback. As I mentioned last week, there was a lot of rapid iteration going on so it was hard to give any detailed updates. This build is a more complete set of changes that seems to be going in a good direction, though there are still some issues to work out.

--Talent balancing. In particular, EvangelismEvangelism is an idea we like, but finding serious competition for it as a raid talent might be hard. It probably needs to be against heavier hitters like Power InfusionPower Infusion (especially if that helps it be less of a one-note cooldown stacking build). There will likely be further iteration on talent arrangement to better accommodate the new additions.

--Mana. The spell whose cost is most important for balance purposes is PleaPlea, because it is now the most efficient way to convert excess mana into AtonementAtonements. We reduced the cost so it would make more sense when compared against Shadow MendShadow Mend and RadianceRadiance, but have to keep an eye on whether that leaves mana as a reasonable limiter on how much AtonementAtonement you can spread over the course of an encounter.

--Overall AtonementAtonement count. The changes in the last build helped fix a lot of mechanical issues, but also added a lot of raw power to the spec, particularly in terms of AtonementAtonement spread/uptime. And particularly EvangelismEvangelism returns a lot of the burst-AtonementAtonement coverage that currently dominates Disc raiding. That's not necessarily a problem if everything else about the spec is working well, and it's good to continue having a bit of a niche that Disc is used to in Legion. But as discussed in my first post, if it's as easy to blanket the raid as it is on live, that limits the spec somewhat. 

While this is something we'll monitor throughout PTR, especially with more internal and external raid testing, there is definitely a worry that in order to balance the spec at this point, the AtonementAtonement transfer % would have to go down, which is the opposite of the stated goal. We don't want to be in that position at the end of PTR when it's harder to make other changes.

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      Holy
      Level Talent 1 Talent 2 Talent 3 15 Crusader's Might Bestow Faith Light's Hammer 30 Cavalier Unbreakable Spirit Rule of Law 45 Fist of Justice Repentance Blinding Light 60 Devotion Aura Aura of Sacrifice Aura of Mercy 75 Judgment of Light  Holy Avenger Holy Prism 90 Sanctified Wrath Avenging Crusader *new* Awakening *new* 100 Divine Purpose Beacon of Faith Beacon of Virtue Protection
      Level Talent 1 Talent 2 Talent 3 15 Holy Shield Consecrated Hammer Blessed Hammer 30 Crusader's Judgment First Avenger Bastion of Light 45 Fist of Justice Repentance Blinding Light 60 Retribution Aura Cavalier Blessing of Spellwarding 75 Final Stand Unbreakable Spirit *new* Hand of the Protector 90 Judgment of Light Consecrated Ground Aegis of Light 100 Last Defender Righteous Protector Seraphim Retribution
      Level Talent 1 Talent 2 Talent 3 15 Zeal *new* Righteous Verdict *new* Execution Sentence 30 Fires of Justice Blade of Wrath Hammer of Wrath *new* 45 Fist of Justice Repentance Blinding Light 60 Divine Judgment *new* Consecration Wake of Ashes *new* 75 Cavalier Unbreakable Spirit Eye for an Eye 90 Selfless Healer Justicar's Vengeance Word of Glory 100 Divine Purpose Crusade Inquisition *new* Priest [Return to Top]
      Power Word: Fortitude raid buff is back. Discipline
      New Mastery: Mastery: Reverence
      Level Talent 1 Talent 2 Talent 3 15 Castigation Twist of Fate Schism 30 Angelic Feather Body and Soul Masochism 45 Power Word: Solace Shield Discipline Mindbender 60 Psychic Voice Shining Force Dominant Mind 75 Lenience *new* Orison *new* Contrition *new* 90 Purge the Wicked Divine Star Halo 100 Luminous Barrier *new* Grace Evangelism Holy
      Level Talent 1 Talent 2 Talent 3 15 Enlightenment Trail of Light Enduring Renewal 30 Angelic Feather Body and Mind Perseverance 45 Light of the Naaru Guardian Angel Afterlife 60 Psychic Voice *new* Shining Force Censure 75 Surge of Light Binding Heal Circle of Healing 90 Benediction Divine Star Halo 100 Cosmic Ripple *new* Apotheosis Holy Word: Salvation *new* Shadow
      Level Talent 1 Talent 2 Talent 3 15 Fortress of the Mind Shadowy Insight Shadow Word: Void 30 Mania Body and Soul San'layn 45 Twist of Fate Misery Dark Void *new* 60 Last Word *new* Mind Bomb Psychic Horror 75 Auspicious Spirits Shadow Word: Death Shadow Crash 90 Lingering Insanity Mindbender Power Infusion 100 Legacy of the Void Void Torrent *new* Surrender to Madness Rogue [Return to Top]
      Assassination
      Level Talent 1 Talent 2 Talent 3 15 Master Poisoner Elaborate Planning Dispatch 30 Nightstalker Subterfuge Master Assassin *new* 45 Vigor Deeper Stratagem Marked for Death 60 Leeching Poison Elusiveness Cheat Death 75 Internal Bleeding Iron Wire Prey on the Weak 90 Venom Rush Toxic Blade Exsanguinate 100 Poison Bomb *new* Hidden Blades *new* Crimson Tempest Outlaw
      Grappling Hook is now an ability that does not have a level requirement listed. Level Talent 1 Talent 2 Talent 3 15 Swordmaster Quick Draw Ghostly Strike 30 Acrobatic Strikes Retractable Hook *new* Hit and Run 45 Vigor Deeper Stratagem Marked for Death 60 Iron Stomach Elusiveness Cheat Death 75 Dirty Tricks Blinding Powder *new* Prey on the Weak 90 Loaded Dice *new* Alacrity Slice and Dice 100 Dancing Steel *new* Blade Rush *new* Killing Spree Subtlety
      Level Talent 1 Talent 2 Talent 3 15 Weaponmaster Find Weakness Gloomblade 30 Nightstalker Subterfuge Shadow Focus 45 Vigor Deeper Stratagem Marked for Death 60 Soothing Darkness Elusiveness Cheat Death 75 Shot in the Dark *new* Strike from the Shadows Prey on the Weak 90 Dark Shadow Alacrity Enveloping Shadows 100 Master of Shadows N/A Death from Above Shaman [Return to Top]
      Tremor Totem is baseline at level 58 Capacitor Totem is baseline at level 44 Elemental
      Level Talent 1 Talent 2 Talent 3 15 Exposed Elements *new* Echo of the Elements *new* Elemental Blast *new* 30 Aftershock Master of the Elements Totem Mastery 45 Spirit Wolf *new* Earth Shield Static Charge *new* 60 High Voltage *new* Storm Elemental Liquid Magma Totem 75 Nature's Guardian Ancestral Guidance Wind Rush Totem *new* 90 Earthen Rage Primal Elementalist Icefury *new* 100 Unlimited Power *new* Stormkeeper Ascendance Enhancement
      Level Talent 1 Talent 2 Talent 3 15 Boulderfist Hot Hand Lightning Shield 30 Landslide Forceful Winds *new* Totem Mastery *new* 45 Spirit Wolf *new* Earth Shield Static Charge *new* 60 Searing Assault Hailstorm Overcharge 75 Nature's Guardian *new* Feral Lunge Wind Rush Totem 90 Crashing Storm Fury of Air Sundering 100 Elemental Spirits *new* Earthen Spike Ascendance Restoration
      Level Talent 1 Talent 2 Talent 3 15 Torrent Undulation Unleash Life 30 Crashing Waves Deluge Earth Shield 45 Spirit Wolf *new* Earthgrab Totem Static Charge *new* 60 Ancestral Vigor Earthen Wall Totem Ancestral Protection Totem 75 Nature's Guardian *new* Graceful Spirit Wind Rush Totem 90 Bottomless Depths Echo of the Elements Cloudburst Totem 100 High Tide Wellspring Ascendance Warlock [Return to Top]
      Affliction
      Level Talent 1 Talent 2 Talent 3 15 Shadow Embrace *new* Haunt Deathbolt *new* 30 Writhe in Agony Absolute Corruption Death's Embrace 45 Demon Skin Burning Rush Dark Pact 60 Sow the Seeds Phantom Singularity Soul Harvest 75 Darkfury *new* Mortal Coil Demonic Circle 90 Nightfall Coming Soon Grimoire of Sacrifice 100 Soul Conduit Creeping Death *new* Siphon Life Demonology
      Level Talent 1 Talent 2 Talent 3 15 Dreadlash *new* Demonic Strength *new* Biliescourge Bombers *new* 30 Demonic Calling Power Siphon *new* Doom *new* 45 Demon Skin Burning Rush Dark Pact 60 From the Shadows *new* Soul Strike *new* Summon Vilefiend *new* 75 Darkfury *new* Mortal Coil Demonic Circle 90 Inner Demons *new* Soul Conduit Grimoire of Service 100 Sacrificed Souls Demonic Consumption *new* Nether Portal *new* Destruction
      Level Talent 1 Talent 2 Talent 3 15 Flashover *new* Eradication Soul Fire 30 Reverse Entropy *new* Internal Combustion Shadowburn 45 Demon Skin Burning Rush Dark Pact 60 Inferno *new* Fire and Brimstone Cataclysm 75 Darkfury *new* Mortal Coil Demonic Circle 90 Roaring Blaze Grimoire of Supremacy Grimoire of Sacrifice 100 Soul Conduit Channel Demonfire Dark Soul *new* Warrior [Return to Top]
      Battle Shout (raid buff) is back. Arms
      New Abilities
      Sweeping Strikes New Mastery
      Mastery: Deep Wounds (Deep Wounds) Level Talent 1 Talent 2 Talent 3 15 War Machine *new* Sudden Death Skullsplitter *new* 30 Double Time Impending Victory *new* Storm Bolt 45 Trauma Rend Avatar 60 Second Wind Bounding Stride Defensive Stance 75 Collateral Damage  *new* Warbreaker *new* Cleave 90 In For The Kill *new* Fervor of Battle Deadly Calm *new* 100 Anger Management Dreadnaught *new* Ravager Fury
      Level Talent 1 Talent 2 Talent 3 15 War Machine Endless Rage Fresh Meat 30 Double Time Impending Victory *new Storm Bolt 45 Wrecking Ball Outburst Avatar 60 Furious Charge Bounding Stride Warpaint 75 Carnage Massacre Frothing Berserker 90 Frenzy Inner Rage Bloodbath 100 Reckless Abandon Dragon Roar Bladestorm Protection
      Level Talent 1 Talent 2 Talent 3 15 Shockwave Storm Bolt Warbringer 30 Safeguard Coming Soon Impending Victory 45 Coming Soon Best Served Cold Avatar 60 Warlord's Challenge Bounding Stride Crackling Thunder 75 Indomitable Devastator Coming Soon 90 Into the Fray Booming Voice Vengeance 100 Anger Management Heavy Repercussions Ravager