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Subtlety Rogue PvP 7.2

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This thread is for comments about our Subtlety Rogue PvP guide for Legion.

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On 6/17/2017 at 11:57 AM, Guest Subtlety Rogue PvP said:

Needs an update for 7.2.5

It will happen, I hope to look at it myself in the next few days

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On 6/17/2017 at 11:57 AM, Guest Subtlety Rogue PvP said:

Needs an update for 7.2.5

Passed this on to the writer :)

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10 hours ago, Guest Technoize said:

When will come the update for 7.2.5 please ? :)

I've put in a note for the writer to get this updated - I'll try and ping it again to get it updated ASAP, but in the meantime, is there any particular section you need help with that I could advise on?

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16 hours ago, Blainie said:

I've put in a note for the writer to get this updated - I'll try and ping it again to get it updated ASAP, but in the meantime, is there any particular section you need help with that I could advise on?

Yes, I would like to know if talents choice have changed or not ? Same for honor talents, they are not the same in game anymore.

Cheers !

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6 hours ago, Guest Technoize said:

Yes, I would like to know if talents choice have changed or not ? Same for honor talents, they are not the same in game anymore.

Cheers !

I would take Gloom/Sub/Vigor/Elusive/Prey/Dark Shadow/MfD.

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I would like to have a guide for a pve to pvp scenario. For example being ganked by some jumping warrior out of nowhere in the middle of soing pve content. 

Also basic explanation of the skill pool and it's usage in certain scenarios would be great, because of plebs like me who can't understand anything from blizzard's skill descriptions.

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On 8/8/2017 at 6:43 PM, Guest Sub PvP said:

Hi, and what about PvP talents ?

It is not updated yet.

First tier depends on race. If orc, take Relentless. If not, Medallion.

Reinforced Armor

Tier 3 depends on enemy comp. If you need to peel against double melee, take Shiv. If you're against casters, Maneuverability.

Tier 4 is Gambit or Smoke Bomb, whichever you prefer.

Tier 5 is Cold Blood.

Tier 6 is Thief's Bargin.

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On 8/18/2017 at 9:07 AM, Guest Das said:

So i mean do we just not use Goremaws bite in pvp? not listed in the rotation in sustained or burst...

Use in place of Shadowstrike as generator for burst. Not only is it good damage, but it slows and ensures you can stick to your target. Will get it updated.

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On 8/22/2017 at 10:39 PM, Guest Enrier said:

I would like to have a guide for a pve to pvp scenario. For example being ganked by some jumping warrior out of nowhere in the middle of soing pve content. 

Also basic explanation of the skill pool and it's usage in certain scenarios would be great, because of plebs like me who can't understand anything from blizzard's skill descriptions.

Your best bet is to Vanish, heal and then open as detailed. Being caught out of Stealth at the start of a fight can be a straight death sentence. Blind is also very useful.

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You are a lot of times Cheap Shot, but it requires for you to be stealthed, we can't use Cheap Shot 5 times during the 3 sec of extra stealth from Subterfuge

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10 hours ago, Guest Desirae said:

You are a lot of times Cheap Shot, but it requires for you to be stealthed, we can't use Cheap Shot 5 times during the 3 sec of extra stealth from Subterfuge

Shadow Dance allows you to use Cheap Shot.

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would be nice if the opening "place in the meta" wasn't the same across all 3 rogue specs.
maybe something about how the specs differ, what the pros/cons of choosing each spec are?

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On 11/6/2017 at 7:13 PM, Guest Cerin said:

would be nice if the opening "place in the meta" wasn't the same across all 3 rogue specs.
maybe something about how the specs differ, what the pros/cons of choosing each spec are?

Passing this on to the writer.

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After looking at leader boards, it seems that Orc is now the best race. This is due to the short stun and burst CD. Many Rogues die in stuns so the Orc race is super helpful.

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is there a reason why Goremaw's Bite nor Shadow Blades is a part of the pvp damage??

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13 hours ago, Guest Race said:

After looking at leader boards, it seems that Orc is now the best race. This is due to the short stun and burst CD. Many Rogues die in stuns so the Orc race is super helpful.

Race is highly dependent on what comp you're playing against. If you're up against a Lock Mage team, being immune to stuns won't do you much good, but an AoE silence could be super useful.

 

8 hours ago, Guest Keyadar said:

is there a reason why Goremaw's Bite nor Shadow Blades is a part of the pvp damage??

I have no idea, they should definitely be there

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8 hours ago, Guest Keyadar said:

is there a reason why Goremaw's Bite nor Shadow Blades is a part of the pvp damage??

I've let the writer know, thanks! It should get updated soon.

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What's the best Spec to run with RLS? I know both are viable but what are the advantages/disadvantages?

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      Marksmanship Hunters,
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      - Aimed Shot should still be a 12 second recharge time before Haste, I'm unsure why some people are reporting it is showing up as 10 seconds for them. Is this still happening after the build that went up yesterday?
      - After lots of discussion and reading feedback and many dungeon runs and raid testing and questing, we have decided that we're going to changed Aimed Shot to 2.5 second cast time, and Steady Shot to 1.75 second cast time.
      - Regarding Lone Wolf and Pet Utility, if you have your active pet out, the Command Pet button in your spellbook should change into whatever your pet's special ability is, such as Primal Rage. If you dismiss your pet as a Marksmanship Hunter and opt into Lone Wolf, Command Pet should change into Survival of the Fittest as a cooldown you can use that reduces the damage you take by 20%. This looks to have some issues currently, and will be resolved in a future build.
      Thanks for the continued feedback on this thread and others.
      Monk
      Brewmaster
      Gift of the Mists (level 45 talent) removed. Elusive Dance (level 100 talent) removed. Spitfire is a new level 45 talent. Guard is a new level 100 talent. Blizzard (Source)
      Various things to expect next build:
      New talent: Guard (replacing Elusive Dance on L100). "Guard against future attacks, causing the next X damage you Stagger to instead be prevented." 30s cooldown.
      (The Guard Honor Talent will be renamed).
      New talent: Spitfire (replacing Gift of the Mists on L45). "Tiger Palm has a 25% chance to reset the cooldown of Breath of Fire."
      Part of the value of Black Ox Brew is being moved baseline, by lengthening its cooldown to 2 minutes, and speeding up the baseline recharge time of Brews. This should help the row be more competitive, without losing total Brew charges.
      Ironskin Brew's duration will come up to 7, also freeing up more Brew charges.
      Blackout Combo no longer buffs Purifying Brew. This usage wound up mostly being a trap, and 4 modes still a good amount of choice for the talent.
      Gift of the Ox healing increased about 30%. We expect the overall spawn rate to be lower than Legion, and this helps make up for that.
      Balancing is still preliminary, but a few tweaks on that front:
      HP reduced for Brewmaster by around 10%. Brewmaster's heavy resistance to killing spikes means they're not a tank that needs as high an HP pool. This does have the side effect of making Ox orbs spawn slightly more often.
      Stagger's effectiveness against Magic brought back up to 35%.
      Level Talent 1 Talent 2 Talent 3 15 Eye of the Tiger Chi Wave Chi Burst 30 Celerity Chi Torpedo Tiger's Lust 45 Light Brewing Spitfire *new* Black Ox Brew 60 Tiger Tail Sweep *new* Summon Black Ox Statue Ring of Peace 75 Bob and Weave *new* Healing Elixir Dampen Harm 90 Special Delivery Rushing Jade Wind Invoke Niuzao, the Black Ox 100 High Tolerance Guard *new* Blackout Combo Mistweaver
      Renewing Mist now has 2 charges and Uplifting Trance has been removed. Blizzard (Source)
      Next build will try 2 charges on Renewing Mist, and Uplifting Trance removed.
      A little background for interest:
      We try to be really careful about adding charges to baseline spells, since it's a higher-complexity mechanic than simply having a cooldown. Essentially every spell is slightly more efficient with charges, since you don't get the little bit of slippage when the cooldown comes up each time, and you can better sync it with other effects. So it's always an attractive ask, because adding charges to anything improves spec performance. Renewing Mist is a better case due to bad feeling of every second lost slightly reducing Vivify efficiency for 20s, and this also helps the weirdness of wanting to start ramping it up 20s before any pull.
      Uplifting Trance was added in Legion to try to give something that enforced a little more spell variance (pushing Vivify to top priority sometimes and not other times). By now, there are so many more spell interactions contributing to the "weaving" part of Mistweaving (Essence Font buffs other spells, Soothing Mist empowers other spells, Renewing Mist improves Vivify, etc.) that button choice is richer without sticking a proc in there. Since other things control when you want to use Vivify, this just feels like random variance that you can't control.
      Paladin
      Retribution
      Art of War is now baseline. Blade of Wrath (level 30 talent) now increases the frequency of Art of War resets and cause its proc to also increase the damage of the next Blade of Justice by 25%. Blizzard (Source)
      Hey all,
      Since the first round of changes to Retribution early on in alpha, we've been letting the spec settle into a steady-state, but have been very much keeping it in mind. Like many have suggested, the spec is almost all the way there, but is missing a little bit baseline.
      Blade of Wrath
      Blade of Wrath's mechanic is becoming baseline, named Art of War: Your auto attacks have a chance to reset the cooldown of Blade of Justice. Any many correctly pointed out, this is a sort of unpredictability that the spec needed in its baseline rotation.
      Blade of Wrath, the talent, will now increase the frequency of Art of War resets and cause its proc to also increase the damage of the next Blade of Justice by 25%. Numbers are pending tuning, but the gameplay is there.
      Divine Purpose
      Divine Purpose's proc chance has been reduced to 15% (down from 20%), but it now also increases the damage and healing of that free Holy Power spender by 20%.
      The entire value of this talent was in the free Holy Power proc, which is a huge swing on button presses and pacing, but which neither of its talent match-ups provide. This change reduces that difference slightly and gives Divine Purpose a little more nuance to its gameplay – now you may consider saving or waiting for that proc to use on a different Holy Power spender from usual.
      Thanks for the patience and continued feedback.
      Previous Talent Changes
      Beta Build 26788 Talent Changes Beta Build 26734 Talent Changes Beta Build 26707 Talent Changes Beta Build 26624 Talent Changes Beta Build 26567 Talent Changes Beta Build 26530 Talent Changes
    • By Stan
      8.0 PTR servers have been updated with the Legion Artifact retirement questline. Artifact traits will no longer function when the pre-patch goes live and here's a preview of the questline. This article contains spoilers.
      The cutscene is still missing voiceovers and it's only available to Alliance players on PTR.
      The Speaker's Call
      I been travelin' the land, seekin' out anyone who might know how ta heal Azeroth. I've consulted ancient sages, druids, shamans... from dragons ta titan keepers. Nobody's seen anythin' like this before.
      Went ta Karazhan ta speak with Khadgar. Studyin' those old tomes o' his, we came up with an idea. No tellin' if it's gonna work, but we gotta try. Come ta Silithus. Meet me at the wound. Time is runnin' out fer Azeroth, <Name>.
      The Power in Our Hands
      That sword of Sargeras is surgin' with dark energies. They're seepin' into Azeroth's heart like poison. The blade's power must be snuffed out. The Pillars o' Creation could do it, but they're keepin' the tomb sealed. So we need other vessels capable o' harnessin' vast energies. Vessels like those artifact weapons you and the other champions wield. It's a risk, <Name>. We don't know what Sargeras' power will do ta those weapons. But unless we act now, the heart of Azeroth is sure ta die.
      A cinematic plays, where you and the other champions sacrifice your Artifacts to draw the surging energies from the sword.
      The sword grows dark! I can hear Azeroth's sufferin' abate... If only a little. Ye did good, hero. Bought our world some time. But we must find a way ta fully heal this wound. No matter what happens between the Alliance and Horde, do not forget yer duty on Azeroth!
    • By Starym
      Legion is coming to an end very soon, and Battle for Azeroth isn't quite here yet, so what better time to look back at this and previous expansions. Method have been doing just this in the past weeks, obviously focusing on what they know best, aka top tier raiding, with many videos covering WoW's premier PvE activity (for now at least, with M+ knocking at that door).
      So, we start off with a Legion raiding overview as well as a deeper look into the most difficult boss of the expansion, Kil'jaeden, who managed to survive 19 days, a full 8 longer than the next boss (Gul'dan), and why he was both the best and worst boss of Legion.
       
      Then we go even further back, sticking to raid bosses and the ranking thereof, as the whole raid team choose the top 3 best bosses of Warlords of Draenor, and then expand to the top 5 bosses of all time!
       
      So, what do you think of their choices?
    • By Stan
      Blizzard released a new Dev Watercooler today with information about the ongoing WoW: Classic development. Classic servers will run on Patch 1.12: Drums of War, because it represents the most complete version of the classic experience. Devs are hard at work to make the modern client compatible with the classic data.
      Blizzard (Source)
      Greetings! Development of World of Warcraft Classic is underway, and we’re very excited to share some of the challenges and solutions we’re working on. As we mentioned last BlizzCon, the process of restoring the classic game is not straightforward, and it’s important to us to take the time and effort to get it right—this includes poring over numerous game versions, data, and code; meticulously scrutinizing all the changes we’ve made over the years. Rest assured: The WoW Classic team is hard at work making it a reality, and we’re at a point in development where we’re ready to share some of the things we’ve been working on.
      WOW CLASSIC: FIRST PROTOTYPE
      The first—and among the most important—decision we had to make was which version of the game to focus on. As many of you have noted, the classic period was two years long and full of changes. Core features like Battlegrounds were introduced in patches after WoW’s original launch, and class design similarly changed over time. After careful consideration, we decided on Patch 1.12: Drums of War as our foundation, because it represents the most complete version of the classic experience.
      Once we had our starting point, we began taking stock of what we had in the source code and what we could make available, which included restoring the original development database from archival backups. After stitching various key pieces together, we had a locally rebuilt version of Patch 1.12 running internally. The team could create characters and do basic questing and leveling—and dying, which we did many times. For testing purposes. Obviously.
      Our initial runs exposed a few (expected) issues: the game sometimes crashed, didn’t recognize our modern video cards, and was incompatible with our current login system. That first pass also couldn’t support any of our modern security and anti-cheating capabilities. Clearly we had a lot of work to do to make WoW Classic live up to the Blizzard standard of quality, and deliver the experience players want.
      THE PATH FORWARD: SECOND PROTOTYPE
      Speaking of engineering, World of Warcraft is a very data-driven game, which means the basic code is flexible and the specific way it behaves is controlled by information contained in databases. Things like quests, monsters, items, and the rules for how these all interact are defined by the designers and artists in data.
      So we asked ourselves, would it still be possible to deliver an authentic classic experience if we took our modern code, with all its back-end improvements and changes, and used it to process the Patch 1.12 game data? While that might seem counterintuitive, this would inherently include classic systems like skill ranks, old quests and terrain, talents, and so on, while later features like Transmog and Achievements would effectively not exist because they were entirely absent from the data. After weeks of R&D, experimentation, and prototyping, we were confident we could deliver the classic WoW content and gameplay without sacrificing the literally millions of hours put in to back-end development over the past 13 years.
      While our initial effort helped us determine the experience we wanted to provide, this second prototype really defined how we’d get there. Starting from a modern architecture—with all its security and stability changes—means the team’s efforts can be focused on pursuing an authentic classic experience. Any differences in behavior between our development builds and the patch 1.12 reference can be systematically cataloged and corrected, while still operating from a foundation that’s stable and secure.
      DIGGING IN
      So what does it take to recreate an authentic classic experience with modern engineering? Let’s start by categorizing the different types of game data that make up WoW:
      Table data: This kind of information is almost always represented as numbers. How many hit points a creature has, the amount of Strength an item grants, or where and when certain creatures spawn, are all examples of the numerical data we store in our databases. We can also store and enforce relationships between different pieces of data. File data: This is often very dense data like 3D models, textures, animations and terrain. Our user interface is built up from XML and Lua files. Many of the art files do not use the same file formats that commercial art tools spit out. Our build pipeline takes these raw art files and translates them into something optimized for our game to read and process. Lua scripts: Some features are driven by Lua scripts written by designers, allowing them to easily define custom behaviors for server-side logic without requiring deep engineering knowledge. HOW ENGINEERING HAS CHANGED
      One challenge we face is that all the classic data is in the original format used at launch, but that format has changed substantially in the intervening years. Major work needs to be done in this area to make the modern client compatible with the classic data.
      For example, spells could originally only perform three actions on the spell’s target. In table form, that looked something like this:
      ID
      Name
      Effect One
      Effect Two
      Effect Three
      Aura One
      Aura Two
      Effect Damage One
      Aura Damage One
      Aura Damage Two
      1
      Fireball
      Deal Damage
      Apply Aura
      Nothing
      Nothing
      Deal Damage Periodically
      30
      Nothing
      3
      2
      Frost Bolt
      Deal Damage
      Apply Aura
      Nothing
      Nothing
      Slow
      20
      Nothing
      Nothing
      As you can see, there is a lot of space taken up by ‘Nothing’. Over the course of WoW’s lifetime, we’ve improved our data design and normalized much of our database data. Today, that same data would be separated out like this:
      Table Name: Spell
      ID
      Name
      1
      Fireball
      2
      Frostbolt
      Table Name: Spell Effect
      ID
      SpellID
      Effect
      Damage
      1
      1
      Damage
      30
      2
      2
      Damage
      25
      Table Name: Spell Aura ID
      SpellID
      Aura
      Damage
      1
      1
      Deal Damage Periodically
      3
      2
      2
      Slow
      Nothing
      In this form, there is much less wasted space and spells are no longer limited to three effects. But before we can load any database data, we need to transform the old data layout into the new one. This is not limited to spells, as almost every game system (including items, creatures, player characters, spawning, AI, and more) has had its database layout altered over the years.
      LOOKING AHEAD
      All the work we’re doing will ultimately allow us to recreate an authentic classic experience on a platform that is much more optimized and stable, helping us avoid latency and stability issues. Additional modern improvements will include modern anti-cheat/botting detection, customer service and Battle.net integration, and similar conveniences that do not affect the core gameplay experience.
      We are looking forward to the challenges ahead and share your passion for the classic game; every code check-in data conversion we make brings WoW Classic closer to providing that authentic experience you—and we—want. Thanks for joining us on this journey.