Lemmi

Aspect of the beast sim: raidbots vs. simcraft

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Hi guys,

 first of all: Sorry, my English isn't very well.

 

Yesterday I played a little bit with my gear, legys and talents on raidbots and found out that my simulated dps should be a little bit higher by using Aspect of the Beast.

Talents: 2111113

gear: 2x T19; 4x T2O; Qua*pla + Sephuz

sim: 1225k single target dps

 

By way of comparison my old build:

Talents: 2111112

gear: 2x T19; 4x T2O; waist + Sephuz

sim: 122Ok single target dps

 

Using simcraft by my own with the same settings I get for my 

old build: 1215k single target dps

and with Aspect of the Beast only: 1187k

 

In the past I simed allways a little bit higher with raidbots in comparison to simcraft, but the tendency was the same.

 

Any ideas why there are bigger discrepancies this time?

 

Greetings

Lemmi

 

 

 

 

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That's odd. From what I understand Raidbots is a website that runs SimulationCraft for you, so the back-end should be exactly the same. Raidbots right now displays SimulationCraft 725-02 reports, using wow build level 24461 (or at least that's what it says for me). I would check the versions you're running, maybe one of them is outdated?

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With what Khallid said, chances are your Simulationcraft app is out of date - you need to update it at least weekly to ensure it stays accurate.

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checked it up:
In the latest simcraft build (22.08) I got a the 1.187 mil with the setting  "heavy movement".

With "Patchwerk" it shows me 1.224 mil, nearly the same than raidbots.

The simed dps should be the same with both settings, right?

Maybe a little bug with the newest simcraft build. I think 99% of the users sim with "patchwerk", so not that big deal.

 

 

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