Sjachvirlym

Too late in SoO to attempt swap to subtlety from assassination?

2 posts in this topic

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/suramar/Sjachvirlym/advanced

 

as far as assassination goes, I'm doing a healthy amount of dps around the 290-300k mark, however, my raidleader was asking me to try out subtlety to see if it'll turn out to be more dps than I'm currently pulling. My question is whether or not I'd have to scrap almost my entire gear set and somehow try to pull in much more crit, or if a simple reforging out of mastery would do(after gemming and enchanting of course). (nevermind the talents, I use a very weird build for farming old content)

Edited by Sjachvirlym

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Sub does have a very different stat priority, but some reforging should sort that out

 

Simply by switching to subtlety, shadowcraft shows more than a 10% DPS increase. Taking the output it gives you, and your own estimation, it puts you at roughly 324-335k.

 

Of course, the main issues are staying behind the boss the whole time and performing the rotation well enough to maintain the high DPS. Compared to assassination, there's a lot more to do and keep track of. For me, switching to sub is a DPS loss because I suck at it. But another rogue I know has about 553 gear (compared to my 560) and can pull higher numbers than me on the right fights.

 

Sub is a very strong single-target spec at the moment, but it does require a single-target. Iron Juggernaut, Sha, Malkorok, Siegecrafter (if you ignore the add and aren't on the belt) are likely to be the fights where you benefit from sub rather than assassination. Likewise, for fights with lots of adds that will benefit from more cleave than assassination can offer, combat should, in theory, be better than assassination.

 

I would suggest spending some time on a dummy in both specs and comparing how you perform. If you can master subtlety, you should notice a significant improvement.

 

If DPS is an issue, it might be worth the switch. If berserk timers aren't a problem, though, I wouldn't worry about it too much.

Edited by Falcifer

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Similar Content

    • By Bunbohue
      Did some reading on how the subtlety rotation works in the AMR sim and noticed it saying 
      http://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/theory/rotation/amrroguesubtletydefault?spec=RogueSubtlety&version=live from here
      Does this mean if I have dos equipped, and activate both sprint and dos at the same time the damage done won't prevent me from getting the vanish? Or is this related to using dos during the vanish effect making it not break stealth?
      I haven't had time to test this myself as I'm at work, but if anyone has any experience with this I would appreciate some feedback.
      Edit:
      Just did some testing on a dummy and in nighthold. The damage still let's your trigger the sprint vanish during the trinket channel, which means you will not loose out on dps from the 3 sec channel time. It would be best to make sure your energy is pretty low and you're not cp capped. It seems you can still proc shadow techniques during the channel as well.
      However it didn't really feel like much of a dps increase, I would habe to practise the timing a bit more. It makes the opener weird. My armory for reference: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/argent-dawn/Jjajangmyeon/advanced
    • By Violentravi
      Hello,
      Adelante is currently recruiting DPS & Heals, however, all competent players will be considered.  We are a Horde guild on Arthas and our current progression is 1/10M NH, 10/10H NH 6/7M EN and 3/3H TOV.  As far as classes go we do not have a Moonkin, Mage, Feral Druid, or any type of Monk. We only raid two nights a week, Tuesday and Wednesday from 7:00 PM until 11:00 PM Eastern.  Thursday is not considered a raid night, but we will often clear Heroic and Normal on this evening for AP and it is not required. We are pushing progression on Il'gynoth, and look forward to finishing off EN then moving on to Nighthold, we will be intermittently working on Mythic TOV.
      From you, we would expect 100% attendance during your trial period; after that, if you cannot make a raid or will be late it is mandatory to keep the raid leader updated.  In order to continue making good progression while raiding only two nights a week, we expect that you know your class inside-out and will research any bosses you are unfamiliar with prior to raids.
      If you are interested, please PM me (violentravi#1826) or recruiting officer Sepsis (tuxedomask#1712) in game.  However, if you have time (which goes a long way) for us to give you a real evaluation there is a short forum to fill out linked on our discord: https://discord.gg/JMVuYRW
       
      Thank you for your consideration
      Xoxo
      Violentnacho & the Guild
    • By Essix
      So I know the title sounds a bit silly, but hear me out. My problem with MfD is, quite simply, that it locks the upper body of your character into the /point animation and I hate how it looks. I hate it hate it hate it. I use MfD, then Run Through, and my rogue does this weird crouching lunge forward with her cutlass pointing up into the sky. It's so infuriating, and I can't just wait until the animation finishes because I'll lose DPS.
      So, how much does MfD outclass the other max level talents for Outlaw? I just want to know if it's even possible to take one of the other talents and have even somewhat competetive DPS.
    • By Niquist
      Hey,
      So the CoF trinket dropped for me yesterday, which means Im having a lot more uptime of Shadowblades. I guess its a good time to switch to Anticipation, since i will have a lot more CP overflow (+4 Set Bonus) and Deeper Strategem got nerfed too. Damage-wise i don't see a difference to DS though, while SimC calculates 20k+ dps with Anticipation. And should i always stack CP to 9-10 when i don't have the Finality Eviscerate Buff ? Im just torn between these two talents.
      Another Problem i've noticed is SimC and Icy Veins say that Weaponmaster is better than Master of Subtlety although "top sub rogues" still play with MoS. Is there any reason behind that?
      Incase you need it: http://eu.battle.net/wow/de/character/blackmoore/Yatan/simple
      cheers
    • By Emphesis
      Hi,
      I need some help figuring out my rogues weak auras.
      I currently have this: https://gyazo.com/e9f6967a7c2e56fdb4a88f9c554ebd22
      What I want to happen is that when there are 3 seconds remaining on for ex rupture, the icon of rupture glows and once rupture is gone the icon just stays there glowing.
      Secondly, could someone give me the ID for the envenom buff as I cannot seem to track it whatever I do. Hopefully in the same format as the others in the picture above.
      Can anyone help me with this by guiding me on how to do it or giving me the string on the new one?
      Thanks in advance.