Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0
ivxy

Rogue Deck Help

3 posts in this topic

Hello everybody!

 

I'll try to be as short as possible in telling you why i created this topic.

I'm kinda new to the Hearthstone world (played for about a month now) and I enjoy playing my Rogue low budget deck.

The thing is, given the fact that I will not spend money in the game till it goes out on iPad (just a way to ensure i'll keep playing the game for long enough to be worth it), i'm not sure if I should focus on my Rogue deck or just try to craft as many use-in-all-decks-neutrals.

 

For this matter, i have created the best rogue deck i could think of. Spoiler alert, it's not a Miracle Rogue.

 

I have put together a number of 28 cards, as follows:

 

2x Backstab

2x Deadly Poison

1x Betrayal

1x Balde Flurry

1x Bloodmage Thalnos

2x Eviscerate

2x Loot Hoarder

1x Sap

1x Edwin VanCleef

1x Fan of Knives

2x Harvest Golem

2x SI:7 Agent

2x Chillwind Yeti

1x Leeroy Jenkins

2x Assassinate

2x Azure Drake

2x Argent Commander

1x The Black Knight

 

I would like some help from you guys in testing this deck(if anyone has the resources necessary)or at least an opinion about it. Also, I would like to know what to fill the deck with. Any other suggestions, like card replacement or anything else is welcome.

Thank you for your time!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hey, Ivxy!

I'm not sure if you already own the cards you have included in the deck list or you simply wish to craft them, regardless, I'll try to provide feedback for both scenarios. 

If you still need to craft the legendary cards for your deck, I would suggest the following:

Leeroy Jenkins >= The Black Knight > Bloodmage Thalnos >= Edwin VanCleef

because: 
Leeroy will work great for you in a rogue as a finisher, while Black Knight's value is proportional to the amount of taunters you play against, which should be fairly high for as long as Defender of Argus is played in most decks. Bloodmage Thalnos is decent card, however it is not game breaking - as a rogue you can easily do without, although I have to admit that some early Backstab, FoK can make the difference, not to mention Eviscerate taking out a Yeti.Edwin VanCleef is alright, but in your current deck comp it will be mediocre at best, I think going for Cairne Bloodhoof would be a better choice, possibly even Sylvanas or Ragnaros.

About your deck list:
I think you have to decide what sort of rogue you wish to play. Your deck comp gives the impression that you wish to have some level of aggression although you run a lot of cards that focus on solid mid-late game.

1x Betrayal (I really dislike Betrayal, as a rogue, you will often attempt to keep pressure on your opponent while efficiently dealing with their minions. Betrayal is not efficient, it works only when your opponent has 3 minions and if he is not a completely bad, he will most likely anticipate a Betrayal and have optimal board placement. I would take Betrayal out of the deck)
1x Blade Flurry (Blade Flurry is great. Having 2x Blade Flurry is situational and you should only consider using your 2nd if the meta game is full of really aggressive decks)
1x Sap (Sap works well in aggressive rogue, I used to run 2 of them as there were amazing against controls - 1 should generally be more than enough, but its one of the adjustments you can make depending on the meta game)
1x Fan of Knives (FoK is situational at best, it can be great, however I think that in most cases it will slow down your game rather than allow you to gain board advantage because of it)
2x Assassinate (aggressive rogue? get rid of it... control? maybe 1 at most... )

Cards you should consider:
Argent Squire - I always play it in any rogue I make. Its ideal for triggering combos in early-mid game and is generally really annoying early game drop. Blood Knight can cause problems and even destroy your game if played by your opponent at the wrong time, which is why you always need to keep that in mind in case you run with Argent Squire.

Defender of Argus - Should you decide to put some aggression to your deck and focus your play more towards early game, I would definitely consider Defender of Argus. 

Perdition's Blade - I would play at least one. Works great on its own and can be outstanding with Blade Flurry.

Shadowstep - When you play aggressive deck, Shadowstep can be amazing. Leeroy as a finisher - 12 damage on turn 6... Attack with your SI:7 Agent, re-play it with Shadowstep, works like a Backstab (without the undamaged part)

Cairne Bloodhoof - if you play mid-range rather than fully aggressive, I think Cairne can be great, often 2-for-1 or better.

Ragnaros - Outstanding finisher if you decide to focus on late game, personally I dislike it as I only play aggressive rogue versions. 

I would start theorycrafting about your deck like this:

Cards to Keep:
2x Backstab
2x Deadly Poison
1x Blade Flurry
2x Eviscerate
2x Loot Hoarder
1x Sap
2x Harvest Golem
2x SI:7 Agent
1x Leeroy Jenkins
2x Azure Drake
2x Argent Commander
 
 
1x Bloodmage Thalnos (only if you have it already)
1x The Black Knight (only if you have it already)
 
Cards I would swap out:
1x Betrayal
1x Edwin VanCleef
1x Fan of Knives
2x Chillwind Yeti (can be used instead of Argus)
2x Assassinate
 
Cards I would consider in maindeck instead of those you are swapping out:
2x Argent Squire 
1x Shadowstep
2x Defender of Argus
1-2x Perdition's Blade
1x Cold Blood (if you will decide to be really aggressive)
2x Dark Iron Dwarf (works like a charm with your Loot Hoarder or Argent Squire)
2x Random 2 mana drop: (Ironbeak Owl aganst locks, Faerie Dragon to be really anoying in early game or Acidic Swamp Ooze)
 
 
Cards I would consider based on metagame:
2x Ironbeak Owl or Spellbreaker (warlock control...zzz, owl is generally better solution for your mana curve)
1-2x Big Game Hunter (warlock control)
2x Sen'jin Shieldmasta (aggressive hunters, warlocks)

I'd try something like this:
2x Backstab
2x Deadly Poison
1x Blade Flurry
2x Eviscerate
2x Loot Hoarder
1x Sap
2x Harvest Golem
2x SI:7 Agent
1x Leeroy Jenkins
2x Azure Drake
2x Argent Commander
1x Bloodmage Thalnos 
1x The Black Knight
2x Argent Squire
2x Defender of Argus
1x Assassin's Blade
1x Shadow Step
1x Cold Blood
2x Acidic Swamp Ooze // Faerie Dragon 

I hope this helps you, Ivxy. Let us know how it went :)
Best of luck!

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

@Poyo

 

 

First of all, thanks for the feedback.

Now, I want to give some reasoning for picking some specific cards. I have no legendaries that can be played in this deck, i only have king krush, archmage antonidas and cenarius. I have all the rare cards and the common cards included and those suggested by you. Altough i can see that you tend to like the aggro rogue, I'm more of a mid-range - control type of player.

 

Some reasoning (thought process) in making this deck. Might not be the best, since i'm not fully familiarised with the game.

 

Van Cleef. This is not a card I want to combo out like a miracle of some sort would. No 16/16 VanCleef concealed. I think of it as an inervated yeti, turn 2 coin+vancleef+maybe a backstab if I have it and my opponent played something at 2 health. I think a turn 3 4/4, maybe 6/6 is hard to deal with, but again, it's a situational play, so I understand your reasoning. I think I'm going to take it off my list.

 

Betrayal i have decided to take out. You are right about it. And I can also add that i already have enough ways to deal with my opponents board that i can use that slot for something more important.

 

I will keep the fan of knives and the blade flurry, given the fact that my current meta-game is full of hunter/warrior/warlock and even shaman aggro. I play decently against them (about 60% win rate, win 2, lose 1) so i will not add a second blade flurry.

 

I can't really say why i included 2 assassinates, i think i like the idea of sufficient direct removal. I guess i'll take one out and see how I do.

 

After playing a bit more, i redesigned the deck, so it looks as following.

 

2x Backstab

2x Deadly Poison

2x Argent Squier

1x Blade Flurry

1x Sap

2x Eviscerate

1x Kobold Geomancer (Swapping for thalnos)

2x Loot Hoarder

1x Fan of Knives

1x Perditions Blade

1x Acolyte of Pain

2x Harvest Golem

2x SI:7 Agent

2x Chillwind Yeti

2x Defender of Argus

2x Assassinate

2x Azure Drake

2x Argent Commander

 

As a final form of this deck, taking into account your advice and my preference for control decks, i would build the following:

 

2x Backstab (solid rogue card)

2x Deadly Poison (solid rogue card)

2x Argent Squier (as you said, good for combos and a good 1 drop on its own)

1x Blade Flurry ( because my meta is full of aggro)

2x Eviscerate (great removal or direct damage)

1x Bloodmage Thalnos (as you said, not really necessary, but nice to have indeed)

2x Loot Hoarder (2 drop card draw, good buff target for defender of argus and dark iron dwarf)

1x Fan of Knives ( because my meta is full of aggro)

1x Perditions Blade ( because you i tried it and you are right)

1xAcolyte of Pain ( card draw again, i might consider replacing it)

2x Harvest Golem ( solid 3 drop, almost my favourite common neutral card)

2x SI:7 Agent ( another solid 3 drop, sort of a signature for rogues)

2x Chillwind Yeti (to try and bait out his removal if my early game sucks)

1x Defender of Argus (buffer, good for trades and good against aggro)

1x Dark Iron Dwarf ( buffer and a 4/4 body, not really good imo but nice to have. Might consider replacing it)

1x Assassinate ( i kept an assassinate because, as I said, i feel much safer with a direct removal, be it in my hand or in my deck, nice to have against rag, ysera and all the divine shield big drops)

2x Azure Drake (great card, spell damage and card draw and a 4/4 body)

1x Argent Commander (because it's a solid 6 drop, trading 2 or sometimes 3 for 1. I guess Leeroy would be better, even though my win conditions are already there and i have a tempoish style of a deck)

1x Cairne Bloodhoof

1x The Black Kinght

1x Rag

 

Thanks for all the help and, if you can help me further, I would really appreciate it.

 

Edit: Reading your post again, I guess it would be ok to sub the acolyte of pain for the big game hunter. Not really sure, I'll try it (cause i have it) and let you know.

Edited by ivxy

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Similar Content

    • By Ohba
      Hey everyone!
      I'm a long time rogue, looking for a new place to hang out. I'm former cutting edge raider, but for the last year I've been playing more casually due to IRL commitments. What I'm looking for atm is a guild that raids somewere between 21:00-22:00 until 00:00, 2-3 day per week. I look for a guild that is doing mythic raiding.
      I'm atm alliance but I'm willing to transfer server and faction for the right guild, so everything is of interest!
      Thanks, Ohba
      For more info or a chat u can reach me at Ohba#2534
    • By Ithok
      If you are swedish, looking to raid 2-3 days a week, looking for a very social, fun but still competitive mythic guild, then look no further, we are the guild for you. Thank you for taking the time to learn more about us.
      About us:
      Geek Squad is a swedish guild that has been around for many years. We are currently focusing on mythic raiding and our goal is to always clear the current content before the release of the next tier. The guild is composed mainly of former hardcore raiders who can't play as much as in our younger days but who still want to play, have fun and have a good progression. Since we raid only 2 days a week we expect our raiders to have a high attendance and to be well prepared for current content. 
      Raid schedule:
      Wednesday Optional Hc clear: 19-When we are done
      Thursday: 19–22
      Sunday: 18-22
      We never extend beyond these raiding hours.
      What do we expect from you:
      - Swedish speaker; as the guild solely consists of swedish players we expect you to have a good understanding of the swedish language and be able to communicate on both voicecom and chat.
      - Attendance; as we only raid 2 days a week and keep a tight roster of raiders (not more then few on the bench at time) so being there and available even if not selected for certain boss is very important
      - Maturity; as the average age in Geek Squad is a bit above most guilds we would prefer if you are as well. We are a bunch of guys with families, jobs and real lives outside of the game and we understand all that comes with it. However if you are to commit to raiding with us we want you to be in it for the long haul. We focus on having fun with the game while also maintaining a competitive attitude, we hope you want to be a part of and contribute to that.
      - Social skills; be communicative, enjoy the game, let us know in advance if something is going to interfere with your raiding schedule so that we can plan accordingly. In our own modest opinions we have one of the best guild environments you can be a part of and we want to bring in more people who can positively contribute to that.
      - Know your class inside out and how to perform it to its maximum. Be able to take constructive criticism
      What can we offer you:
      - Stable guild; the guild has been around for a long time and we have no plans to slow down now.
      -We always try to bring the players that will give us the most chance of killing a boss on progression fights, this means you will have the same chance as everyone else of competing for a spot.
      - Experienced and motivated players; most of our raiders have played the game for a long time (vanilla/tbc) and are still highly motivated to get the most of the raiding time that we have together. If you are to join us we expect you to do everything you can to further those goals.
      - Occasional alt raids, not mandatory. Totally optional for people who want a little bit more raiding on side with their alts
      PROGRESS:
      Emerald Nightmare: 7/7
      Trial of Valor: 2/3
      Nighthold: 8/10 (10/10 HC farming on off days)
      RECRUITMENT:
      We are currently looking to extend our roster with 2-3 players and are looking for the following classes:
      Rogue
      Elemental Shaman
      Warlock
      Frost DK
      Balance Druid
      We don't have an application form as we feel that is an old and inefficient way of doing recruitment. Instead we focus on interviews as well as going through a bit of logs. We don't expect you to consistently parse in the 90% but at least showing that you know your class well.
      As for which classes we are looking for we are quite flexible at the moment as we currently have a good class balance already so we are mainly interested in you as a player rather than your class/specc. With that said we do specifically want a resto shaman and a rogue a bit more than anything else.
      If you are interested feel free to contact us.
      How to apply:
      To apply contact Ithok#2898, Krebb#2944, kebban#21852 or whisper an officer ingame.
      Thanks for reading and hope to hear from you soon!
    • By DarthMurdock
      https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/stormrage/zlam
      https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/character/6121449/latest
      I dont know what im doing wrong, ive have the right talents, and doing my rotation in order, and yet i am doing horrible dps. 
      I am currently using the rotation stated on icy-veins.
      ive been out dpssed by other warlocks from my guild, pugs and in lfr (i know, but still) and i dont know what i am doing wrong. 
      this is the profile of a guildie, who does a ton more dps than me. https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/stormrage/hulabaloo
      If someone has some advice, it's greatly appreciated.. 
       
      I hope i have provided the details required, otherwise please inform me what i need to add.
    • By DarthMurdock
      https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/stormrage/starissa
      https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/character/9057210/latest
       
      I dont know what im doing wrong, ive have the right talents, and doing my rotation in order, and yet i am doing horrible dps. 
      I am currently using the rotation stated on icy-veins.
      ive been out dpssed by other paladins pugs and in lfr (i know, but still) and i dont know what i am doing wrong. 
      If someone has some advice, it's greatly appreciated.. 
       
      I hope i have provided the details required, otherwise please inform me what i need to add.
    • By HiddenInShadowz
      Hey guys I have been having some dps issues on my outlaw rogue. I have 906 ilvl but I am usually one of the lowest dps. I have only been focusing on the ilvl of the gear and not really the stats so I am thinking that that is the problem. Any tips would be greatly appreciated thanks!