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Post-Syvlanas Defeat Dialogue and the Next Step

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While we've all seen the post-Sylvanas-defeat cinematic and ending to Sanctum of Domination, today we're taking a look at some dialogue that comes after it, the context and a possible deeper meaning to her last words, as well as a future quest development immediately tied to the events.
Spoilers ahead.

We have two things to cover here, from the NPCs present at the end of the Sanctum discussing what just happened and what to do next, and the actual continuation of the story, which we've already (partially) seen datamined from the PTR quite a while ago. Both parts were datamined by redditor rapunzel1213 a couple of days ago:

So that last part will probably arrive either this next week in the story progression or perhaps when the final LFR wing is open, so all players have a chance at actually finishing the Sanctum and getting to experience all this in-game themselves. As for what exactly the cutscene between Sylvanas and Anduin is, we've actually already seen it, but without any dialogue for context (and it has a very descriptive name as well):

Another very interesting thing to note, first brought up by lollikoko, is that after her re-ensoulment, Sylvanas may not have any answers at all, as she reverts back to her pre-undeath self, and the last words she said were actually referring to the moment before her first death:

While it's unlikely that she will remain completely memory-less, this could still be correct for the short term, as she composes herself and starts to process everything that's happened since then. While the SoD ending cinematic was... "poorly received" would be a big understatement, so let's say not good and leave it at that, this particular line would actually be pretty cool, so hopefully Blizzard do something similar, and it's not just the usual "pass out 0.5 seconds before saying the crucial piece of information" cliche.

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4 hours ago, Starym said:

not just the usual "pass out 0.5 seconds before saying the crucial piece of information" cliche.

Optimistic, but that number is likely the % chance of it being true too 

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The dialog is so unrealistic. An evil and dangerous character it's been shown several times can vaporize to escape is incapacitated. Surely the first and most obvious instinct in all of them would be to kill Sylvanas before she regains consciousness to prevent her doing any more harm as she's likely to escape from any cage they try to use to contain her. I get that the devs refuse to kill her off and that they want her to be 'redeemed', but having the three characters argue and reluctantly agree that they try to contain her because might be able to get information out of her would at least acknowledge the credulity problems in the whole thing.

I assume the compass means we have to go to Maldraxus to find Varian to break the puppet curse on Anduin. And presumably because there is still no sign of Arthas and we know he went to the Maw, the Jailer had him and that was the blue crystal that went into the sword to control Anduin. Or the next quests could instead just be more nonsense about Sylvanas.

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I pretty seriously doubt she was going to tell them to not let him reach the sunwell, that's just ridiculous

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Just now, GBeast said:

I pretty seriously doubt she was going to tell them to not let him reach the sunwell, that's just ridiculous

How so? It should be the last memory her whole soul had, the shock of reunion makes it plausible enough.

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25 minutes ago, snap said:

...the compass means we have to go to Maldraxus to find Varian to break the puppet curse on Anduin...

I thought souls destroyed by Fel are gone completely, or I am mistaken.

Also, for all his martial prowess, Varian is a favored champion of Goldrinn, a Wild God, so he might end up in Ardenweald instead.

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37 minutes ago, Teufel said:

How so? It should be the last memory her whole soul had, the shock of reunion makes it plausible enough.

so you unironically believe she was about to tell them not to reach the sunwell and not where the jailer was intending to go to unmake reality, you know, right after she just betrayed him? because if you do, that has to be one of the most THC levels of logic I've ever encountered in my life

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4 hours ago, GBeast said:

so you unironically believe she was about to tell them not to reach the sunwell and not where the jailer was intending to go to unmake reality, you know, right after she just betrayed him? because if you do, that has to be one of the most THC levels of logic I've ever encountered in my life

I do, and it's truly hillarious you try to bash my logic, which has all the valid basis stated, while ignoring one simple hard-fact that completely demolishes yours. 

Everyone and their mother already know where Zovaal has headed. Brokers do, attendants do, Eternal Ones do, so does Bolvar, Bonesmith Heirmir, Popo, Nomi's soul and God knows who else. Which of course includes both players and their characters.

Moreover, the Primus specifically stated that sigils are to be remade to follow the Jailer in the event the assault on the Sanctum fails, meaning he knows where it is already.

So, literally what Sylvanas would add to that knowledge by finishing with "...the Sepulcher"?

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23 hours ago, Teufel said:

I do, and it's truly hillarious you try to bash my logic, which has all the valid basis stated, while ignoring one simple hard-fact that completely demolishes yours. 

Everyone and their mother already know where Zovaal has headed. Brokers do, attendants do, Eternal Ones do, so does Bolvar, Bonesmith Heirmir, Popo, Nomi's soul and God knows who else. Which of course includes both players and their characters.

Moreover, the Primus specifically stated that sigils are to be remade to follow the Jailer in the event the assault on the Sanctum fails, meaning he knows where it is already.

So, literally what Sylvanas would add to that knowledge by finishing with "...the Sepulcher"?

because it's completely ridiculous to imply that she forgot about the sunwell and is now remembering it, lol. the fact that you or anyone else would ever think that is pretty hilarious and time will show that

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2 minutes ago, GBeast said:

because it's completely ridiculous to imply that she forgot about the sunwell and is now remembering it, lol. the fact that you or anyone else would ever think that is pretty hilarious and time will show that

I'm now properly confused how could you even get implications, mine or the cinematics', THAT wrong, and then act like having high ground and 4-digit intelligence numbers, lol. But, since what I'm talking about is not blatantly obvious to you, like to everyone else, I'll humor you one last time...

One half, the Ranger-General, remembers nothing past her original death, being stuck in Frostmourne first, and in that shard later. The other, the Banshee Queen, remembers everything, since she kept existing after Arthas slayed her mortal body (what made you think she has forgotten anything is beyond me). 

And now, they are rejoined, and with that glow in her eyes, matching the RG half, she is mentally more than likely at the last point in time her soul was whole. Her death, namely. And since BQ half didn't go anywhere, she'll get those too to work through, once she's out of the shock. 'Forgetting' is, once again, more of yours imagination.

With that out of the way, you got your "point" about the Sepulcher thrashed already (and those are not all the facts I can thrash it with, even), so let's see what else you've got other than apology or silence. The latter is prefferable.

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6 hours ago, GBeast said:

because it's completely ridiculous to imply that she forgot about the sunwell and is now remembering it, lol. the fact that you or anyone else would ever think that is pretty hilarious and time will show that

You're being pretty intense over your opinion. Now I don't think that she'll say Sunwell because Blizzard aren't that creative lately but it's entirely plausible AND makes the line at least somewhat less of an idiotic cliche. The blue thing that came at Sylvanas is the part of her soul that was removed exactly at the point when Arthas was going for the Sunwell (this is also a gigantic retcon, a massive coput for Sylvanas. and really stupid, but that's a whole other story). So when she gets that part back it just as likely as not that THAT part and that part ALONE had a few seconds of consciousness - when she said the last thing she remembers/something that happened seconds ago from her perspective aka the Sunwell (or the city, referring to Silvermoon). She didn't forget anything, it was simply the second part of her soul replaying that last moments of her life.

Imagine it as if she were actually dead and buried for years and they resurrected her, that's EXACTLY what her first words would be, so it's the same here. Again, probably not going to happen and it'll be "the Sepulcher" which is the most generic cliche dumb thing - and it's exactly why Blizzard will do it.

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