wow Shadowlands Borrowed Powers in the Dragonflight Pre-Patch and Beyond

[Stan 5,020]

Shadowlands contains many borrowed power systems, so we're looking at what happens with Covenant abilities, Legendary powers, and Tier Set bonuses in the Dragonflight pre-patch and beyond.

Many existing Covenant Abilities and Legendary Powers have been implemented as talents in the Dragonflight pre-patch. But what exactly happens when you have both versions at the same time? I see this question pop up frequently and thought now would be a good time to clarify.

Covenant Abilities

Dragonflight Pre-Patch

Covenant Abilities will override talents. For example, Demon Hunter can access The Hunt by choosing the Night Fae Covenant, but the talent can also be picked in the Havoc tree. If you have both, the Covenant Ability will override the talent.

You cannot have multiple versions of the same spell / double-stacked Covenant Abilities. Covenant Abilities will be disabled outside Shadowlands content in the pre-patch.

Legendary Powers

Dragonflight Pre-Patch

Similarly, Legendary Powers will override talents if both versions are available.

You cannot have multiple versions of the same spell / double-stacked Legendary Powers. Legendary Powers will be disabled outside of Shadowlands content in the pre-patch.

Tier Set Bonuses

Dragonflight Pre-Patch

Tier Set Bonuses will be disabled and not work in combat when the pre-patch releases on October 25, 2022.

[Lithari 194]

This is why i never bother with that crap, they always throw it away in the next expansion, If i knew they would make heirlooms absolutely rubbish, i wouldn't have spent the thousands of gold on them like i did.

Sometimes, its like they are doing this to tick their playerbase off, as in, their paychecks.......sounds rather idiotic to me.

Edited October 20, 2022 by Lithari

[Arcling 877]

7 minutes ago, Lithari said:

This is why i never bother with that crap, they always throw it away in the next expansion, If i knew they would make heirlooms absolutely rubbish, i wouldn't have spent the thousands of gold on them like i did.

Sometimes, its like they are doing this to tick their playerbase off, as in, their paychecks.......sounds rather idiotic to me.

Hopefully there won't be any more borrowed power systems. The only thing they usually salvage from these systems are some talents, but it's still overall mess to balance.

[Mugendai 48]

Tbh I'm glad we've had all these borrowed powers, because most of the good ones were just implemented in the new talent trees, so all in all, it was a good thing.
Basically I just see it as our characters having tested many things over the year, and now we have access to most of these things at once

[Ubersonic 1]

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Covenant Abilities will be disabled outside Shadowlands content starting November 28, 2022

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

BOO!

It really sucks they're removing many of the decent cov abilities with no decent replacement.  I.E not having condemn available is a straight QOL nerf to warriors, which is going to take a lot of the fun/coolness away form the new talents/abilities, two steps forward one step back 😞

They should really have made condemn baseline (or a talent at the least), the same for glory as buffing your allies without sacrificing your own viability would have been awesome.

[joshelloco 2]

Every time you have to reach a new max level everything you did prior was borrowed power, this will continue

[Ricune 10]

So that means for the Pre-Patch that as a DH for example I can be Venthyr and have Sinful Brand and pick The Hunt in the talent tree and both work? Nice

[Mugendai 48]

10 hours ago, joshelloco said:

Every time you have to reach a new max level everything you did prior was borrowed power, this will continue

No it won't, since there's no borrowed power in DF

[Andser 34]

2 hours ago, Mugendai said:

No it won't, since there's no borrowed power in DF

this will age poorly, 2 patches in and they give in

[Ragingwolf 286]

They haved done this in Legion with the Artifact weapons, they haved done this with Corrupted Gear and Azerite Gear in BFA, and they will do the same in SL.  It's not a surprise and it should not be.  I consider the borrow power system in these expansions as an added flavor to the theme not a permanent addition to be carried onto future expansions.

 

[Mugendai 48]

2 hours ago, Andser said:

this will age poorly, 2 patches in and they give in

No they won't

[Mugendai 48]

1 hour ago, Ragingwolf said:

I consider the borrow power system in these expansions as an added flavor to the theme not a permanent addition to be carried onto future expansions.

 

Well, everyone knows it is what it is, it's just that for most people it's not a good thing

[Twindevil 0]

On 10/21/2022 at 12:50 PM, Mugendai said:

No they won't

There's tier sets in literally the first raid my dude. That's borrowed power 😂

[Teufel 331]

On 10/21/2022 at 2:43 AM, Ubersonic said:

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

BOO!

It really sucks they're removing many of the decent cov abilities with no decent replacement.  I.E not having condemn available is a straight QOL nerf to warriors, which is going to take a lot of the fun/coolness away form the new talents/abilities, two steps forward one step back 😞

They should really have made condemn baseline (or a talent at the least), the same for glory as buffing your allies without sacrificing your own viability would have been awesome.

The amount of Venthyr warrs is so puny, I cannot imagine the reason to call this "QQL". Sounds more like "I complain for the sake of complaining".

[Teufel 331]

On 10/21/2022 at 12:34 AM, Lithari said:

This is why i never bother with that crap, they always throw it away in the next expansion, If i knew they would make heirlooms absolutely rubbish, i wouldn't have spent the thousands of gold on them like i did.

Sometimes, its like they are doing this to tick their playerbase off, as in, their paychecks.......sounds rather idiotic to me.

Guess you're not paying any attention then, lol. And that "paycheck" part is so bad it hurts to laugh at it.

They've done it since Cataclysm and that's only how far I can remember. Implement a tier bonus/a talent/borrowed power bonuses and abilities, see which one work best, make those into talents/baseline next expansion. Time and again and again.

But let's baselessly complain about them testing and improving class design, because, apparently, WE NEED TO SPEAK TO THE MANAGER.

[Mugendai 48]

14 hours ago, Twindevil said:

There's tier sets in literally the first raid my dude. That's borrowed power 😂

Saying this is like saying any piece of stuff is borrowed power, it's dumb.
Plus the first tier set is almost exclusively stat/dmg boost, and nothing that gives you extra skills or gameplay changing bonuses.
They could've litteraly made those set bonuses "+500int" and it would've been the same

[skitzy129 4]

On 10/20/2022 at 7:01 PM, Mugendai said:

Tbh I'm glad we've had all these borrowed powers, because most of the good ones were just implemented in the new talent trees, so all in all, it was a good thing.
Basically I just see it as our characters having tested many things over the year, and now we have access to most of these things at once

nah, they've been leaning in to borrowed power for like 7 years.  it's a huge part of the reason the game has been in such a bad state for so long.

[Mugendai 48]

On 10/29/2022 at 11:13 PM, skitzy129 said:

nah, they've been leaning in to borrowed power for like 7 years.  it's a huge part of the reason the game has been in such a bad state for so long.

I never said this wasn't true. I'm just glad that all this bad state was to make a better game in the end in Dragonflight