6.1 Demonology Guide

[Paracel 165]

I guess cata is still the way to go on heavy aoe fights(operator),right? Other than that, what's the general rule when to use supremacy,service and synergy?

Pretty much yeah.

Synergy is my default choice with Cata, as it can proc with it for even more burst.

Supremacy can pull ahead when you have more sustained AoE from pet - like on Iron Maidens or Tectus.

 

I am getting really frustrated with myself. I have almost the same item level as you two but my dps is no where near yours. I am still running DB because I have not adjusted to the style of DServ yet.

 

Last Gruul kill: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dFPzgAQrphwLy4jZ#type=damage-done&fight=6

 

It's only normal. Not performing well enough for Heroic yet. Is there something I am flat out missing?

I believe i PM'ed you about this log.

[KoragonArt 0]

I got the mythic 695 crit/vers ring from my brf mission. Since vers is a shit stat, I'm not sure if it's an upgrade over my 685 haste/multi mythic HM ring.

Edited March 12, 2015 by KoragonArt

[spikeysquad 50]

For me the 695 is better. Vers yes is my worst stat as well but it's not that far behind the others to warrant giving up the extra intellect and other stats. 

[spikeysquad 50]

Apologies if this is somewhere else; yes Paracel I did look! So how do people use the DuT/a haste proc trinky most effectively? Is it a case of ignore and just build fury faster (haha) or do you enter Meta (with other stuff too) to bleed MC and fury faster? I gather haste doesn't have effect on ToC though. 

[Paracel 165]

Apologies if this is somewhere else; yes Paracel I did look! So how do people use the DuT/a haste proc trinky most effectively? Is it a case of ignore and just build fury faster (haha) or do you enter Meta (with other stuff too) to bleed MC and fury faster? I gather haste doesn't have effect on ToC though. 

Haste affects GCD duration, if I don't missing things. However, it's not that much to be supereffective with ToC.

I have DUT but I seldom use it for bleeding phases. Focusing on Ring proc instead.

[Liquidsteel 279]

The Haste proc is wasted for Meta. ToC gains almost nothing from it, and you want to spend MC procs under damage buffs as they are a much more precious resource.

[Nytemare 2]

I just got a heroic DUT, my current trinkets are Mythic SoN and CC. Would I replace the SoN or the CC? currently I just replaced the CC for now. Do I want to keep the On-Use effect for my burn until I can get another PPM trinket? Had no luck getting oregorger, and if everything goes well; we should down BH for the first time and maybe his trinket will drop / me bonus rolling it.

[spikeysquad 50]

Thank you Paracel and Liquidsteel; much as I had thought. 

[Paracel 165]

I just got a heroic DUT, my current trinkets are Mythic SoN and CC. Would I replace the SoN or the CC? currently I just replaced the CC for now. Do I want to keep the On-Use effect for my burn until I can get another PPM trinket? Had no luck getting oregorger, and if everything goes well; we should down BH for the first time and maybe his trinket will drop / me bonus rolling it.

I'd go for the same arguments that we talked few posts earlier - Haste does not affect your damage that directly.

MC procs are limited resource, and Demonic Fury itself is too. CC each 2 minutes with DS would make every your use of limited resource better.

Change SoN for DuT because 2 on-use trinkets aren't so good. DuT has more passive Int, hasn't it? It's uptime is slightly bit more compared to haste gain of SoN.

[Liquidsteel 279]

If running the Serv/Serv build I'd stick with SoN and possibly CC. With the hotfix to +5 ilvl for all BRF items next week, I might drop the CC...

 

The 2 minute window of SoN lines up perfectly with DS and Doomguard, and as you're chunking out Soul Fires and can guarantee 2 stack HoG the haste isn't terrible. 

[Gruxa 1]

We're progressing on Iron maidens mythic now and i'm wondering about HoG Vs CW

 

situation, always 2 targets to hit, barely ever 3 sooo

 

should i keep charges to pop CW with procs or just try to weave 2 stacks on 2 targets as much as possible?

 

atm i'm running with CW'ing with procs (gotta love the new ring proc!)

[Lucieto 0]

Hello all :)

 

Was just wondering .. I'm currently useing SoN ( normal) and Sandmans ( 680)   yesterday i got HWF QR .. Is worth dropping SoN or SP for this ?  ( I'm currently bouncing between Aff and Demon)  .  since QR only got Haste and multistrike.. and the others have a on use and a RPPM ..... .

[Paracel 165]

We're progressing on Iron maidens mythic now and i'm wondering about HoG Vs CW

 

situation, always 2 targets to hit, barely ever 3 sooo

 

should i keep charges to pop CW with procs or just try to weave 2 stacks on 2 targets as much as possible?

 

atm i'm running with CW'ing with procs (gotta love the new ring proc!)

CW is surely better on Maidens.

I tried to made math once, but failed. Common sense says to me that it Crits, Multistrikes and is buffed by DS much more than HoG.

C'mon, you've reached them on MYTHIC and still don't know what is good for you??

 

 

Hello all

 

Was just wondering .. I'm currently useing SoN ( normal) and Sandmans ( 680)   yesterday i got HWF QR .. Is worth dropping SoN or SP for this ?  ( I'm currently bouncing between Aff and Demon)  .  since QR only got Haste and multistrike.. and the others have a on use and a RPPM ..... .

Sandmans is not RPPM but an 115 ICD proc, and a tricky one.

On the one hand, It lines up good with Dark Soul cooldown of 120 seconds. Crit is also cool.

On the other hand, it is really bitchy. Especially for Aff.

I'm a bit biased against Sandmans because I suffered enough from it in Highmaul.

DB Demo doesn't want SoN. You may get lucky proc each 2nd cycle, and it's good. I would use Sandman + QR here

DemServ Demo, on the other hand, wants SoN but it's ok with Sandman. I would go for Sandman + QR here once again, because ilvl gap is significant

Aff hates Sandman, because crit is little use and proc will be weird and Haste is OP for it. SoN + QR.

[gahhda 95]

We're progressing on Iron maidens mythic now and i'm wondering about HoG Vs CW

 

situation, always 2 targets to hit, barely ever 3 sooo

 

should i keep charges to pop CW with procs or just try to weave 2 stacks on 2 targets as much as possible?

 

atm i'm running with CW'ing with procs (gotta love the new ring proc!)

 

I really should just get a mod to sticky a thread about this at this point.

 

Chaos Wave on 2+ targets whenever dark soul is active.

HoG whenever dark soul isn't active.

 

On iron maidens, run cata w/ glyph of DS. Pool HoG charges for dark soul to dump chaos waves, collect hilarious cleave dps.

Edited March 16, 2015 by gahhda

[gahhda 95]

I updated the opener in simc. Turns out that what I was doing this whole time with the 4pc is correct.

 

http://gyazo.com/4b5e499a4ea9915c6555e6ec06678b07

http://gyazo.com/01b2f238eb22d182f5c506f201f50f12

 

Sample sequence (1 of 25000 iterations).

 

My basic concept was that, particularly with the 4pc, you can game HoG uptime during dark soul really really hard. I noticed that I was struggling to maintain meta for more than the first 10 seconds of dark soul to begin with, so the next logical step was, what if I canceled early to refresh HoG? Turns out, pretty good idea.

 

You can cancel meta as the first HoG is ending, refresh, sbolt a few times, hog a 4th time, and then still have time to dump ~most of your DF before dark soul ends. This way you get full benefit of 4 hog casts during dark soul, and 3 are cast at 2 stacks.

 

You lose minimal doomguard damage because of the new 25 second duration, as long as you use it within the first 5 seconds after service is cast, you get the full 20 second benefit. It is, however, true that on pull you desync dark soul from trinkets, so the service doomguard does lose some minor dps.

[Nytemare 2]

I feel I am struggling with Demo bleed parts. How much fury do I bleed for say Ring proc, Mastery enchant (all, none, etc). How many MC SF should I waste during this time as well?

 

I read to have like 6+ going into DS but I admit I don't think I ever manage that. I just did Black Hand pug. here are my logs, maybe you guys can help. I took Imp Swam as I have Mythic SoN + HDUT so figure as long as one of them up, it a dps gain with the glyph when I pop it. (correct me plz?)

 

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GL1MZPrAND2yKzwv/#source=1

 

*Edit* I pretty sure I doing it all wrong / most of it

Edited March 16, 2015 by Nytemare

[Lucieto 0]

Thanks Parcel :) I shall try that combo on the next raid  :=) 

[Gruxa 1]

CW is surely better on Maidens.

I tried to made math once, but failed. Common sense says to me that it Crits, Multistrikes and is buffed by DS much more than HoG.

C'mon, you've reached them on MYTHIC and still don't know what is good for you??

 

My gut was telling me CW yea, but i like to pass it along others too :D i've been the only warlock in our guild since 6.0 so yea, I have nobody to talk this over (altough we finally got a new one 2 weeks ago finally). just used to being alone.

 

 

I really should just get a mod to sticky a thread about this at this point.

 

Chaos Wave on 2+ targets whenever dark soul is active.

HoG whenever dark soul isn't active.

 

On iron maidens, run cata w/ glyph of DS. Pool HoG charges for dark soul to dump chaos waves, collect hilarious cleave dps.

 

You're right Gahhda, honestly it's been so long since i've read the complete guide i just forgot about that :)

At least we're keeping the forums alive!

[KashmirSlippers 0]

Quick question. Do the >10% haste diminishing returns still apply with 6.1? I notice that all/most of the BiS items have a lot of haste, and I am now sitting around 14% haste unbuffed. Am I getting much more benefit post DB nerf than I would have been getting pre-nerf?

[Paracel 165]

Probably off topic, but I've been thinking about it for awhile.
I've got a bunch of off-tier pieces together with 4pc normal, so it became a problem for me which piece to keep and what to replace.
I got all 5 pieces from normal(non-WF) and off pieces like that:

685 Robe of Necrotic Whispers (HM Mythic, Haste+Multistrike)
685 Heroic Kromog Shoulders (forgot what's the name, Haste + Crit)
685 Stonewarper Wraps (HC, with Vers and Mastery)

My common sense told me that I should replace the chest, as it simply gives more stat than shoulders/hands of equal ilvl.
However, my crit count is now ridiculosly low - sitting at 480 - and Haste actually pulls ahead.
Will my lack of crit really affect my DPS that bad? Haste doesn't work good with Cata and it's just where I shine.

Also, a bit stupid question/concern - why does Mainhand+Offhand Combo gives 5 intellect and few Spell Damage less than a Staff of equal ilvl? That's what I see when I compare my Gruul staff with Fang of the Earth + Caged Living Ooze (all HC).

[spikeysquad 50]

Yeah, self buffed, I am very haste heavy 17% and crit is 144! I didn't realise how out of whack I had become but then I haven't really had options. I basically get gear or I don't regardless of the stats on it. 

 

Have you actually considered Paracel that it may be your multistrike, or lack of it, that is holding you back? I gather that after mastery we should have a nice balance of each (though like I said before this is not always possible). Do you ever sim? Not that it is possible to really set up fights like we get in BRF but may suggest something. 

 

No idea why the MH/OH is less but basically it appears most casters are going for a staff (in my experience).

 

P.S. Oh I finally got my 2 set!

[Liquidsteel 279]

A few hundred points of stats are fairly meaningless when trying to gauge tangible DPS increases. You gain far more from having your Crit trinket proc during AoE spam than worrying about not having the right stat balance.

[spikeysquad 50]

Thank you for replying. Point taken but trinky procs we have no control over. Then again I do not much control over stats either :P 

 

Sometimes I feel the need for more defensive cooldowns so in that case would the Glyph of Unending Resolve be ok? I know that it is overall loss but 3 minutes is too long sometimes. Or should I actually be using Dark Regen over Soul Leech anyhow?

[Liquidsteel 279]

I tend to run Soul Link / Eternal Resolve. The passive is insane and healers have commented numerous times on how durable Warlocks are.

[spikeysquad 50]

Yeah I used to but then I unglyphed the resolve but every 3 minutes is not that much. Raid leaders are always saying use def CDs, use CDS on this and on that etc so sometimes I feel like I need loads of them especially on rng streaks. However, that is probably more directed to the squishy mages etc as like you say warlocks are much harder to kill.  

Edited March 24, 2015 by spikeysquad