The Help My DPS Thread

[Paracel 165]

@Felheart

Butcher. H
Imo you shoulda holded buffs for BL/2nd pot phase.

Bracken.H
Immo uptime made me cry a little inside.
Pull more Havocs and more shadoburns.

Twins. H
Cried again from uptime. C'mon!
6 minutes fight - and only 15 havocs, your best tool here? Not enough.
Spam it on CD, it still works with just usual spells, not CB.
And I would generally avoid Destro here.
Especially without KJC.

Don't have much time to hover over normal.
Probably will see the same : Immo uptime and less Havocs than you could squeeze.

Goodluck!

[Soulgather 0]

Hello guyes, I'm playing a destruction warlock 560 ilvl, but i feel like i am doing way to low dps. Can you please help me point alittle here Thanks. Soulgather is the name of the warlock btw :)

 

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JxNvdDRyWtkTG7nV#boss=-3   

 

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/emerald-dream/Soulgather/simple

 

Here is the log, and also my armory link

[Paracel 165]

Hello guyes, I'm playing a destruction warlock 560 ilvl, but i feel like i am doing way to low dps. Can you please help me point alittle here Thanks. Soulgather is the name of the warlock btw

 

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JxNvdDRyWtkTG7nV#boss=-3   

 

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/emerald-dream/Soulgather/simple

 

Here is the log, and also my armory link

Hi there and welcome!

It's 660 ilvl. Forget the number 5 being first.

I'll quote myself, TLDR guide to Destro logs/gameplay

1) Check Immo uptime

2)Syncronize DS and procs/pots

3)Havoc everyhing.

4)Shadowburn eveything.

5)Havoc+Shadowburn everything.

Onwards to logs.

Butcher  - not enought bolts into DS, according to logs. Bank close to 3 Embers as you approach DS cooldown, as you have no trinket proc.

Get Sandman's Pouch, if you can, IMO. Very good for Destro, better that a haste statstone.

No prepot? always use 2 of them,

Brackenspore - only 3 havocs and 6 shadoburns at something thats argueably is your best fight. Absolutely not impressive. Increase, even maximize amounts of those. Your best tools by far.

Adds are popping everywhere, cleave them to your advantage.  Make Shadowburn mouseover macro or just get familiar with Shadowburn on different targets, somehow.

Once again - only one pot. Don't be greedy. 5 gold for DPS is a trade we would do all day long.

Twins - pretty much the same. 6 Havocs on fight with constant 2 targets - bad at the very best. Use it on cooldown if you don't plan to spec here. It's still working with usual spells(not CB).

Immo uptime - 86%. Work on it.

1 Pot instead of 2. I've seen it somewhere, haven't I?

And again - bank some more embers to dump them in DS. 

You cast 3 CB into Bloodlust. 

Bloodlust ain't no damage increase, guys. Get it. Haste ain't no damage. Embers - yeah, sure. Big numbers - no. Not at all.

If you don't have pots/procs/other DPS stuff - just ignore it with your rotation. CB won't do more "boom".

Koragh - More shadowburns. Bunch off adds outta here.

Syncronize DS and pots/Bloodlusts.

You did no prepot. Once again.

And 2 CB into each of yours Darksouls. Once again.

Don't do that. Bank Embers, at least ~30-35 bits.

Imperator - over 5 fights Immolate uptime is 71%. Not any good. Even though there are transition phases, wipes and stuff - that's not an excuse. 

35 havocs and 34 shadowburns over 5 fights =  ~ 7 SB and 7 Havocs for each fight. Absolutely not enough. there are plenty targets - aberrations every minute or so, small adds, mages and reaver. Use them to your advantage.

Also, check out big @Liquidsteel's post regarding Imperator somewhere around(sorry, don't remember where exactly). Lots of text though absolutely worthy of a read, very in-depth analysis that applies to each of us.

Hope any of this is right and I've helped you. 

Good luck!

P.S. I also haven't seen any of your trinket's usage (Shards of Nothing, with the effect being called Void Shards). Site bug, or you shamefully forgot it? Macro it with Darksoul, they use the same cooldown.

Edited January 14, 2015 by Paracel

[Noveliss 1]

First time ever playing Demo last night, felt like I was doing something terribly wrong last night. I feel like my opener is really wrong and it seems I did horrible on anything that added adds.

Kargath: opener seemed to be an issue

Butcher: Same

Brack: Corruption shooters, Doom corruption fungal?

Tectus: I was fucking lost

Twinz: Keep both dots up?

Koragh: again lost

Logs:

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JLZrDmaVgw32Bk8q

Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/stormrage/Noveliss/simple

[Deamux 4]

Take it step by step. Demo wasn't a spec that I could get the hang of over a day.

 

I've just looked over the fights and haven't made sure of anything but I think you should focus now on getting your hand of guldan usage a bit better. Dot uptimes look good, You wanne get Gul'dan to about 40%. (talking in fights where there is no need for chaos wave i.e. kargath, butcher, koragh and arguebly brackenspore)

 

Just have a bit of patience. You'll get a feel of the fury flow of things and when to do stuff as you go along. Also have some fun with catacysm. Its great fun, It gives you almost unlimited movement. And it's better on tectus and probably not far of on twins.

 

Just keep playing and don't get discouraged :D

[Mikedawg 4]

Do I want to felstorm/wrathstorm on cooldown against a single target?

[Paracel 165]

Do I want to felstorm/wrathstorm on cooldown against a single target?

If AoE is not expected to be needed soon, yeah.

[Peacepipez 0]

Hey all, first time posting here. Would really love some insight about playing affliction. I feel like i could and should be doing a lot more dps. Mainly, it seems like im not using dark soul properly. Any help would be greatly appreciated. 

 

Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dwFArQ2Pq3pcRnMg

 

Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/deathwing/Physco/simple

Edited January 15, 2015 by Peacepipez

[Paracel 165]

Hey all, first time posting here. Would really love some insight about playing affliction. I feel like i could and should be doing a lot more dps. Mainly, it seems like im not using dark soul properly. Any help would be greatly appreciated. 

 

Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dwFArQ2Pq3pcRnMg

 

Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/deathwing/Physco/simple

HI there!

General advice for Darksoul is to manage your Haunts and Drain Soul to be 100% uptime during the buff.

Your logs are fine. Destro on tectus is generally a very bad idea, considering the amount of Havocs you did.

Never forget the second pot.

Use KJC on Twins to increase Drain Soul uptime, also tryout SB Haunt there and on Butcher. Working pretty awesome if you get used to it.

Not much to say, really. DoT uptime is OK, you can work on it somewhere, and somewhere you are good already. Try to fit more Drain Soul.

Hope that helps.

Welcome here and good luck!

[Peacepipez 0]

HI there!

General advice for Darksoul is to manage your Haunts and Drain Soul to be 100% uptime during the buff.

Your logs are fine. Destro on tectus is generally a very bad idea, considering the amount of Havocs you did.

Never forget the second pot.

Use KJC on Twins to increase Drain Soul uptime, also tryout SB Haunt there and on Butcher. Working pretty awesome if you get used to it.

Not much to say, really. DoT uptime is OK, you can work on it somewhere, and somewhere you are good already. Try to fit more Drain Soul.

Hope that helps.

Welcome here and good luck!

Ya, i got bored with affliction and decided to try destro lol. So, KJC will give more overall damage on twins even though its only 8 seconds every minute? Is Drain Soul really that strong?

[Paracel 165]

Ya, i got bored with affliction and decided to try destro lol. So, KJC will give more overall damage on twins even though its only 8 seconds every minute? Is Drain Soul really that strong?

Not dying to fire is the best dps gain.

KJC allows to keep up UA, Haunts and stuff when needed. I wouldn't eschew it.

[Peacepipez 0]

Not dying to fire is the best dps gain.

KJC allows to keep up UA, Haunts and stuff when needed. I wouldn't eschew it.

Alright, ill give it a shot! Thank you very much! One more quick question about using SB:H regarding dark soul usage.....assuming i souburn before boss and pre-cast a haunt, that would leave me with two shards left, would i want to use both of them during the SB:H and dark soul buffs or make sure i keep one shard hanging around? Hope that makes sense.

[Desirespsl 0]

Hey everyone! Desires here.  I am having a lot of problems with my DPS to the point I just want to smash my head into the keyboard.  I have played a destro lock for a long time, but it seems in this patch I am not doing something right.  My Ilvl is 653 and I am only pulling around 20k, (Yes I know embarrassing). I have read on some posts to stack crit while others are stacking mastery and am not sure the best approach.  The only thing I figured is wrong is my timing or rotation.  I am starting out with immolate, conflag x2, incin x3, then i use my dark soul and pot to start chaos bolt.  I have noticed that maybe I am not casting enough chaos bolts compared to others logs.  I am a bit confused on when to actually use chaos bolt or havoc.  I know to cast it with a crit buff up, and haste buff along with back draft down.  Any help would be much appreciated because it is defeating my confidence in raiding and holding back the raid.  Thanks so much!

 

Logs:

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/character/2612920/latest/#boss=1706

 

 

I cannot post my armory right now because some reason it will not update from 90.

 

If you need anymore information please let me know and I will get it to you asap!

[Paracel 165]

Alright, ill give it a shot! Thank you very much! One more quick question about using SB:H regarding dark soul usage.....assuming i souburn before boss and pre-cast a haunt, that would leave me with two shards left, would i want to use both of them during the SB:H and dark soul buffs or make sure i keep one shard hanging around? Hope that makes sense.

I use both, and my numbers are satysfing for me. Don't really know whether I'm right or not, correct if what.

You want haunt to be there on both targets for your opener - 20 seconds of pot is 2 haunts for each target.

Hi there, @Desirespsl !

First of all, get rid of Haste - CB mental connection.

 

Bloodlust ain't no damage increase, guys. Get it. Haste ain't no damage. Embers - yeah, sure. Big numbers - no. Not at all.

If you don't have pots/procs/other DPS stuff - just ignore it with your rotation. CB won't do more "boom".

 

 

That's how it works. 

Your CB is a limited resource spell. You only want to use your limited resource when it will make the most effect - crit/mastery procs, buffs, etc.

Haste directly affects generation, not damage. 

Stat priority shouldn't be bothering you, really. Highmaul gear isn't good in terms of them. 

Get crit for destro, mastery if you are planning to spec. You shouldn't be avoiding any other stat (besides Vers).

Next issue - opener. 

From your post and some logs reading I am assuming you are lacking the very basic mechanic of DPS - Pre Pot.

That's easy.

You use your pot (Draenic Intellect Potion) BEFORE fight, around 3-2-1 seconds on the countdown. It gives you the buff coming into fight along with CD, and allows you to use Pot again, during the fight. 

Yeah. It actually works.

If you have no clue what pulling cooldown is, than your DBM/BigWigs is broken/uninstalled or your guildies/PuGs are really hardcore. To a very bad extent.

Next is the opening sequence. 

Holding pot is just not a good idea, as I've explained earlier. Same is for Dark Soul.

I use something like this for Destro, works fine.

1)Prepot and precast Dark soul+trinkets(~1 second untill the pull)

2)Pre-cast incinerate at the same time.

3)(Boss pull)Cast Immolate

4)Jam all the Conflags you have

5)Spam Inci untill you have 2 embers

6)Put 2 embers into 2 Chaosbolts. They should be casted during your crit/pot buffs.

7)Continue rotation.

CB usage questions and Havocs are talked in this thread and in both Guide and guide thread. Read around for insight.

General idea is, as I've said earlier, spend your limited resources during windows of increased damage.

Don't let your resource(Embers in case of Destro) to be ever overcapped. Keep a steady amount - around 30 bits, so you can spend them during damage windows with ease.

Havocs are a bit in-depth mechanic, also disscused around. 

You want to cast as much Havocs as you can - for free damage per cast - and to use the combination of Shadowburn+Havoc.

Finding the balance is the definition of Destro skill. (IMO)

Optimal strategy would be to track adds appearing via DBM/Bigwigs, precast Havoc on boss(around 5 seconds before) and then cleave adds and boss. Havoc should get off CD when adds get close to 20%. Cast it again and cleave with Shadowburns.

Onwards to logs!

...And your issues here are coming from the lack of mechanics' understanding/using them right.

Only 1 pot everywhere.

Very small amount of Havocs and Shadowburns everywhere that matters. Do more.

Immo uptime is generally OK. But you would want more.

Buffs and procs usage is desyncronized. It shouldn't be so.

Ton of work on your gameplay that's not easy, but neither is impossible. 

Punch dummies. Raid LFR and PuG with normals even if you have bosses killed. Get experience.

Read around. Intensively and extensively use brain.

Hope that helps. 

Almighty Overlords, correct me where I'm wrong.

Good luck!

[Noveliss 1]

Hey everyone! Desires here.  I am having a lot of problems with my DPS to the point I just want to smash my head into the keyboard.  I have played a destro lock for a long time, but it seems in this patch I am not doing something right.  My Ilvl is 653 and I am only pulling around 20k, (Yes I know embarrassing). I have read on some posts to stack crit while others are stacking mastery and am not sure the best approach.  The only thing I figured is wrong is my timing or rotation.  I am starting out with immolate, conflag x2, incin x3, then i use my dark soul and pot to start chaos bolt.  I have noticed that maybe I am not casting enough chaos bolts compared to others logs.  I am a bit confused on when to actually use chaos bolt or havoc.  I know to cast it with a crit buff up, and haste buff along with back draft down.  Any help would be much appreciated because it is defeating my confidence in raiding and holding back the raid.  Thanks so much!

 

Logs:

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/character/2612920/latest/#boss=1706

 

 

I cannot post my armory right now because some reason it will not update from 90.

 

If you need anymore information please let me know and I will get it to you asap!

Destro just sucks and your trinkets are trash for Destro.

Also you aren't havocing enough. Havoc on CD, if you have embers CB, if not Incin, if there are adds Shadowburn

[Noveliss 1]

Holding pot is just not a good idea, as I've explained earlier. Same is for Dark Soul.

I use something like this for Destro, works fine.

1)Prepot and precast Dark soul+trinkets(~1 second untill the pull)

2)Pre-cast incinerate at the same time.

3)(Boss pull)Cast Immolate

4)Jam all the Conflags you have

5)Spam Inci untill you have 2 embers

6)Put 2 embers into 2 Chaosbolts. They should be casted during your crit/pot buffs.

7)Continue rotation.

 

Don't use backdraft stacks on CB, its a waste of your embers

Edited January 15, 2015 by Noveliss

[Paracel 165]

Destro just sucks and your trinkets are trash for Destro.

Also you aren't havocing enough. Havoc on CD, if you have embers CB, if not Incin, if there are adds Shadowburn

 

Don't use backdraft stacks on CB, its a waste of your embers

Pretty much the TLDR. 

I wonder why I was writing all this wall of text...

[Desirespsl 0]

Thank y'all! I appreciate the help

[sammiah 0]

I would love some help with my demo lock

 

Heroic Butcher:

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/AaR2MjtVzQXqfB4n/#type=summary&source=6

 

Armory:

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/Blackhand/sammiah/advanced

 

 

I did notice i could do much better on corruption up time. i didnt realize it dropped off at the end there.

Also i did attempt a second int pot, but it doesnt show here. I guess it didnt register when i attempted to use it. I used it right before summon terrorguard during hero.

I guess i also didnt use wrathstorm on cool down.

 

Also a question:  should i time my second pot for heroism + terrorguard or hold off until a burn phase? they didnt quite line up.

 

Thanks for the help!

Edited January 16, 2015 by sammiah

[Paracel 165]

@sammiah
Second cycle is messed up. You want DS to be there, even if you manage to overcap some fury.
Limited resource spell. Maximum damage multiplier.
Corrupt uptime - yeah, that hurts. At least you know where to find that issue.

Dunno what else to say, really. Pray for DB crits? 

Answering question, I would cast TG when Hero pops, then hold pot till the burn, considering it is close (~10 seconds or so), so that TG would attack as potion buffed Hero at least for 10 or so seconds.

P.S. I'm not the best Demo wlock in the world and not this good at log reading, although I'm learning it fast. Aff is still the choice for my Butcher kills.

Edited January 16, 2015 by Paracel

[ouis 0]

Hello,

 

we finished heroic and i feel like im pretty low for 670 ilvl

Here is our last imperator kill : https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JV1fKMZL8FvyWpqD#

my char : http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/kaelthas/Derdre/simple

 

stopped playing almost 5years so i lack experience but any tips would be greatly appreciated!

 

ouis

[Paracel 165]

Hello,

 

we finished heroic and i feel like im pretty low for 670 ilvl

Here is our last imperator kill : https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JV1fKMZL8FvyWpqD#

my char : http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/kaelthas/Derdre/simple

 

stopped playing almost 5years so i lack experience but any tips would be greatly appreciated!

 

ouis

CC use on 07:11 is off the radar, considering DS at 06:24 and Hero phase(meaning pot aswell) following at 07:23.

You want to stack them, not split. It would be a nice idea to hold your bursts here IMO.

FnB is questionable for me. It's weak as a noodle slap. You coulda spend those embers on CB.

There is room for more Havocs and Shadowburns aswell. Make a mouseover macro, probably?|

Check out the big @Liquidsteel's post regarding DPS on Imperator, in this thread. Tons of insight and a top-notch analysis can give you something I can't.

Hope that helps.

Good luck!

[gabrieloceano 1]

Hello guys!

I've always played destro and now, due to some encounters im also playing aflic, but I believe that to both specs I am underperforming greatly =(

 

Here goes somes logs so, maybe, someone can point me in the right direction =)

 

Kargath mythic - Afflic - https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gLrNJcVk9nXfh3y2#fight=3&type=damage-done&source=3

Went afflic for testing, I dont think that I went thaaaaat bad, but there is always room for improvement right? Specially being an spec that I am new to :)

 

Twins Mythic - Afflic - https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gLrNJcVk9nXfh3y2#type=damage-done&source=3&fight=15

Ok, here things starts to get ugly... Really low dps, even trying to keep all dots up on both targets... Am i messing up with SB-Haunt? Not enought drain soul? Is there some addon to help with dot tracking? Or some macro to help with changing targets on this fight? I am away that some dots fall off sometimes... but working on this (Tab fails sometimes :3)

 

Butcher Heroic - Destro https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FcpRLKPrajfnA8zG#fight=6&type=damage-done&source=18

Help.... no clue what I am doing wrong T.T

Keeping immo up, CB only on dark soul or in procs, no adds miss snniping... =(

 

Brackenspores Heroic - Destro https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FcpRLKPrajfnA8zG#fight=11&type=damage-done&source=18

I am aware that I should get better shadowburns with havoc, but besides that, any other tip? :)

 

Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/azralon/Shinfeli/simple

 

 

Thanks a lot guys!!!

[Liquidsteel 279]

I'm a bit confused. Looking at Butcher Heroic, I don't see Cataclysm, you didn't cast that many Chaos Bolts, and yet you were using the Observer...

 

Did you take a level 100 talent for this pull or did you simply summon the wrong pet? 

 

Immolate uptime is fine. Cooldown usage is great, second potion lined up nicely.

Chaos Bolt usage seems to be in line with those buffs, with a few also used on Weapon and Ring procs.

 

However, 11 chaos bolts and 4 shadowburns. D

 

First of all, don't use Shadowburn on single target. It's a DPS loss at the moment. It's only worth it if it crits, and in your case all 4 casts did NOT crit. You lost about 50k damage for each shadowburn, though I suppose you may have gained an extra couple of incinerates. Regardless, don't do this.

 

You also capped on embers a few times. Obviously you're using them with cooldowns / procs, but don't forget the most important rule of never sitting on max embers!

 

For Twin Ogron your Unstable Affliction uptime was horrendous; 76.16%. You need to keep this up a hell of a lot more. Looking deeper it becomes clear. On each boss you hovered at 55% uptime for UA, meaning most of the time you only had it up on one of them. Corruption was around 88% for each, and you also let Agony fall off as that was around 93% for each boss.

 

Seems like you aren't tracking your DoTs properly, and / or have trouble applying them to multiple targets. Take a look at my Mythic Twin Ogron video where I play Affliction, you can see how I use my boss frames from ElvUi to keep them up as close to 100% as I can. Sometimes boss goes out range, but I do my best to follow them. 

 

It is also 100% OK to reapply DoTs outside of Pandemic range, for example if you have to move or you know you will be moving for a while very shortly. Mostly this applies to Unstable Affliction. Try to refresh on both when he starts doing quake or will be dragged out for whirlwind etc.

 

Oh and you also forgot to summon your Terrorguard... derp.

[gabrieloceano 1]

I'm a bit confused. Looking at Butcher Heroic, I don't see Cataclysm, you didn't cast that many Chaos Bolts, and yet you were using the Observer...

 

Did you take a level 100 talent for this pull or did you simply summon the wrong pet? 

 

Immolate uptime is fine. Cooldown usage is great, second potion lined up nicely.

Chaos Bolt usage seems to be in line with those buffs, with a few also used on Weapon and Ring procs.

 

However, 11 chaos bolts and 4 shadowburns. D

 

First of all, don't use Shadowburn on single target. It's a DPS loss at the moment. It's only worth it if it crits, and in your case all 4 casts did NOT crit. You lost about 50k damage for each shadowburn, though I suppose you may have gained an extra couple of incinerates. Regardless, don't do this.

 

You also capped on embers a few times. Obviously you're using them with cooldowns / procs, but don't forget the most important rule of never sitting on max embers!

 

For Twin Ogron your Unstable Affliction uptime was horrendous; 76.16%. You need to keep this up a hell of a lot more. Looking deeper it becomes clear. On each boss you hovered at 55% uptime for UA, meaning most of the time you only had it up on one of them. Corruption was around 88% for each, and you also let Agony fall off as that was around 93% for each boss.

 

Seems like you aren't tracking your DoTs properly, and / or have trouble applying them to multiple targets. Take a look at my Mythic Twin Ogron video where I play Affliction, you can see how I use my boss frames from ElvUi to keep them up as close to 100% as I can. Sometimes boss goes out range, but I do my best to follow them. 

 

It is also 100% OK to reapply DoTs outside of Pandemic range, for example if you have to move or you know you will be moving for a while very shortly. Mostly this applies to Unstable Affliction. Try to refresh on both when he starts doing quake or will be dragged out for whirlwind etc.

 

Oh and you also forgot to summon your Terrorguard... derp.

 

Thanks for the answers!!

 

Yeah, wrong pet.... just realized when I was casting chaos bolts and not Agony and corruptions...

 

You said that, at me moment, Shadowburn is a dps loss, even in the execute phase, if im not cleaving.... I REALLY wasnt aware of that =/

 

Gonna give it a look at the videos! I tried elviUI once and that was terrible... But I may have to tweak my ui to track multi targets whenplaying afflic ><

 

Yup... forgot terrorguard... Blame Demonic Servitute on that :3

 

Thanks for the answers Liquid! Gonna work on those tips on the next few raid nights =)