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Im ment what you ment with snipe and cleave smile.png. Tonight i will make the logs! Is there nothing wrong in therms of my armory?

Armory is fine.

Talking abount snipe, Liquidsteel was meaning such usage of Havoc that implies Shadowburning low hp adds and getting that damage on the main target through Havoc. If you're asking this question, I'm sure Liquid is 100% right.

Give logs and we'll have a chat.

 

 

I'm a raid leader for a pretty casual guild that is working toward clearing HM.  Right now I'm hoping to get some help with increasing our Warlocks dps.

 

Here is a link to our most recent HM, we extended our lockout to focus on getting new bosses down, but previous weeks would show more fights.  https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cgVFC63PqWHGzBjh

 

Here is the armory link.  http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/proudmoore/Razida/simple

 

Thanks for the help.

Hi there!

First of all, bring this warlock over here in person. Nothing against you, but talking through a third person will give less effect.

Onwards to logs.

Kargath - he instanly died. Nothing to talk.

Bracken really interested me.

Besides 90% uptime that could be higher, I was really impressed by Havoc/Shadowburn amount. It's decent, unlike the most of logs around here.

There was 0 pots during this fight, which is embarrasing. As a raid leader, this is the first issue you should address.

I want to address another issue, and that's DS usage and CBs.

First of all, it's glyphed. I wouldn't argue about it right now, but it is generally not a good idea. Read around, I've explained it.

But that's OK. 9 DS over 8mins is OK, no losses.

And then we open up a "Casts" bar.

First DS(00:07). 3 CBs for opener follows at the whooping 00:34, a billion seconds after buff (and burst pot, if there was one)end. Not acceptable.

And then there is 2nd and 3rd DS which had 0 Chaos Bolt casts in duration of both of them. Zero.

His DS' and CB's are very messy, as well as opening, I assume. Bring him here to read around about the most consistent opening sequence, get rid of that DS and Havoc Glyphs, and practice to line big casts and big buffs.

 

 

Hi, I'm playing has a destro/demo warlock right now, 662 ilvl and i need a bit of help i seem to not good has much dps has other locks... and trying to progress into mythic.. some fights im doing around 21-23k other fights im doing like about 17k plz help? and in burst mode i do like 35k-40k plz help?

 

heres my warcraftlogs:

 

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a73brdVfGTzHthQg#fight=10&type=damage-done

 

heres my wow armory:

 

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/arthas/Let%C3%BCm/simple

Your Kargath log is absolutely embarrasing. I'll name a few points.

1)0(zero)burst pots used.

2)20% Rain of Fire uptime with 10 casts. What is this for? Stands?

Why on earth were you put there?

Don't use RoF pretty much anywhere besides Imp and avoid stands. You are useless here as Destro.

3)DS usage is very bad. You did 2(TWO) casts in a fight 5 minutes long. I assume you've used AD. You simply wasted two of your best damage cooldowns somewhere.

3.1)CB spending is very bad aswell. 1st your DS was at pull, and then you just constantly spending embers. at your 2nd DS you only cast 2 buffed.

And yeah, it's Mythic, so there are probably cats pouncing around and more stuff to happen. Amount of your Havocs is pretty much the same as your burst pot count. Zero.

You was absolutely carried this fight. Got to work on your gameplay hard.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

And somebody, tell me what is good opener for Destro. People need to know.

Hope that helps.

Good luck!

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https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gqT7FQY3NJdxZvRL

 

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/tichondrius/Talcourt/simple

 

 

What am I doing wrong??!! I thought I was all ready with this spec and then I go and post these horrible numbers. Any insight would be nice, 

 

 

You are not lining up any of your cool-downs with anything... Dark soul usage all over the place. Trinket procs not lined up with anything... random potion with no dark soul/meta usage. Your opener is completely wrong. On Koragh for example, your first demonbolt isn't cast until 40 seconds into the fight. 

 

I would recommend re-reading the guide because the mistakes you are making are clearly explained in it.

 

Constructively, dark soul should be used for dumping demonbolt. The reason we run Glyph of Dark Soul as Demo is so that Dark Soul is available for every demonbolt dump. 

 

[EDIT}Also, I only see a Doomguard used on a few of your kills. This should be used every single fight during heroism, with the exception possibly being Tectus where you may want to drop an infernal on the motes if you double pop shards.

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Hello fellow warlocks!

 

I have been playing Demo for about a week or so and I would love to get some pointers on anything majorly wrong I am doing.

 

I am going try to do as much work providing all the necessary info and trying to do as much comparison myself. 

This is analysis of heroic bosses and I went to rankings and pulled similar length fights.

 

My main issue seems demonic fury management:


vs


 

I guess from here I can see I need to do a lot more Soul Fires.

 

Tectus me:


 

Tectus others: 




 

Seems I am missing about 1 mil doom damage, about 1 mil chaos wave damage, 1 mil touch of chaos damage

 

 

 

Twins me:


 

Twins others:




 

Seems I need to work on corruption uptime (at least from demonic fury generation), low demonbolt total,

little more soul fire and little more doom

 

Again thanks for pointing me the big mistakes.

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@adinfinito
Maybe you don't have much haste for Fury? chant/gem/eat haste and see how it goes.

Having a Dark Soul glyph without Cata is a loss(for me). You had it on on your Tectus fight, and it resulted in a bunch of unbuffed Chaos Wave casts. Big DS for big Metas, affectin' your dots for a bunch of itme and other stuffs are sweet.

All your DB cycles on Twins fight are really messy. Work on it.
If you are havind a hard time here, consider using Cataclysm. It still performs good(on twins) but gives you much more mobility and is somewhat more forgiving it terms of fury generation.
Yeah, I know it's somewhat weaker talking pure damage, but at least try it out. You'll see the difference.

Hope that helps.
Good luck!

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Please, I would like help with my dps on a ret pally, since it is low. This log is for Butcher but there are several other bosses there. Ret pally Elvensire.

 

 

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QKj7cqtpPaZ6gL9b#fight=5

 

Corruption uptime of zero?  Terrible.  And no demonbolts is worse.  Also it appears your pet was on passive as you did no damage with it.  Also you can fit a lot more shadowbolts into your rotation!

 

 

I kid, pally forums are that way:  https://www.icy-veins.com/forums/forum/23-paladin/

 

Best of luck!

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Any way we can change the name of the thread to "The Help my DPS Warlock Thread"? People probably see it in "Popular Topics" and post because they want help and think it's a general thread.

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I know this is LFR but I am really looking to improve my play before I make my guild suffer through my learning phase. I usually play affliction but trying out demonology. Feel free to pick any fight you would like I am sure there in is plenty of room for improvement on any of them.

 

Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jZFNDLY2zq7W1awf

 

Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/icecrown/Lewstelamon/advanced

 

Thank you!!

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Becoming more and more frustrated with my DPS, I'm beyond confused any help will be greatly appreciated. Our other warlock did 34k same fight with far less up-times. 

 

Log from last nights M Butcher - https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/q1yMGwY2kRpXmPJV#type=damage-done&fight=62&source=57

 

Armory - http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/sargeras/Gravemore/advanced

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Ok, back with a log.. Ive tryed to do a log tonight but all the groups i joined were failing so, worst of all i did a log on a dummy, to show basicly my rotation. So i do not have enough raid buffs, but still my dps sucks i think..

 

My rotation is based on the 1 that simcraft uses for me, to sim my dps (wich i higher that in game...). Froim what i have seen it did only do chaosbolt on DS or when embers becan to stack.

 

I used my wispering crystal for the 200 all stat buff

 

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/m7zV49yt1LAGXhQZ/#type=summary&source=1

 

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/azjolnerub/Zhax/simple

 

previously i changed my Shards of Nothing for the sandmans pouch ilev 640, this of the crit proc. My rotation them was basicly as the 1 in the log, but only i casted also a chaosbolt on the proc of my weapons thunderlord and the sandmans pouch proc, but that also wouldnt realy help my dps...

 

What is it that im doing wrong?

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Use Cata and use Chaos Wave more on Texas

Normally I would have but in LFR I was looking more to just make sure I have my normal rotation and tactics down right then to work on 1 special situation.

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So, a bit of backstory....decided to main a lock a while ago and went Destruction. Really enjoyed it and felt like I was doing pretty decent, was able to compete with people even though my gear was lacking somewhat and loved the playstyle, found it very easy to understand, seemed to know when to cast/do things etc.

 

Now I've decided to give Demo a shot. Have tried changing specs and the like and to master the rotation but I personally feel that I still have A LOT to learn. Below are my armory and some logs, is there anything glaring or some obvious things I could work on?

 

I keep reading how Demo is the best spec and the other lock in our raid is a beast so I really want to perform well...any help appreciated!

 

Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/guilds/11557/

 

Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/khaz'goroth/Zakalwei/advanced

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I know this is LFR but I am really looking to improve my play before I make my guild suffer through my learning phase. I usually play affliction but trying out demonology. Feel free to pick any fight you would like I am sure there in is plenty of room for improvement on any of them.

 

Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jZFNDLY2zq7W1awf

 

Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/icecrown/Lewstelamon/advanced

 

Thank you!!

Nothing much to add. Keep practicing, you're doing fine.

 

Becoming more and more frustrated with my DPS, I'm beyond confused any help will be greatly appreciated. Our other warlock did 34k same fight with far less up-times. 

 

Log from last nights M Butcher - https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/q1yMGwY2kRpXmPJV#type=damage-done&fight=62&source=57

 

Armory - http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/sargeras/Gravemore/advanced

Which exactly 34k log are you talking about? HC Butcher? Your uptimes are pretty close out there, and he used SB Haunt, and used it right. No wondering why he bested you.

Your Mythic attempts are bad. I've seen dot uptimes of ~88% which is absolutely not ok. Your Haunts uptime aren't good aswell, even if we consider using SB Haunt.

I think you are missing a grip on SB Haunt playstyle(no offence).You are casting no Haunts outside of SB, and that is suspicious.tongue.png I think issue lies somewhere close.

Practice SB:H and get used to it. 

 

Ok, back with a log.. Ive tryed to do a log tonight but all the groups i joined were failing so, worst of all i did a log on a dummy, to show basicly my rotation. So i do not have enough raid buffs, but still my dps sucks i think..

 

My rotation is based on the 1 that simcraft uses for me, to sim my dps (wich i higher that in game...). Froim what i have seen it did only do chaosbolt on DS or when embers becan to stack.

 

I used my wispering crystal for the 200 all stat buff

 

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/m7zV49yt1LAGXhQZ/#type=summary&source=1

 

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/azjolnerub/Zhax/simple

 

previously i changed my Shards of Nothing for the sandmans pouch ilev 640, this of the crit proc. My rotation them was basicly as the 1 in the log, but only i casted also a chaosbolt on the proc of my weapons thunderlord and the sandmans pouch proc, but that also wouldnt realy help my dps...

 

What is it that im doing wrong?

Your opening sequence and following stuff is what really deserves a question.

#1. Emm... first Immolate cast...at 00:13?

Really?

Don't do that. Immolate should be the first spell you cast after the precast spell.

#2.2nd DS (AD'ed)

Ok, I need serious explainaton here.

Opening DS was fine, but you've find a Chaos Bolt to cast unbuffed inbetween, which is not nice. But that's not an issue.

Just...why would you cast DS at this point(00:27)?

You have only 2 embers to spend, as it seems from the log, and your best damage cooldown is - Poof! - essentially wasted. 

You got absolutely no significant buffs at this point. Embers were far from capping.

Why dont just hold this button for a while and stack some embers?

Just memorising rotation isn't resulting in a good DPS performance. 

It is best to understand, why are you casting this and that; not only when to hold your CBs and when to pop DS, but why should you do so.

And the answer to "Why?" shouldn't be something like "because it is written in the guide".

 

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Hope that helps.

Good luck with Blackrock Foundry fishing!tongue.png

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Thnx for your repley :). The second DS.. Well now you mentioned it, and thinking about waisting your completely right. I had it macrod but like you said, to less embers to spend on it.

I will put it unerneat an weak aura and un macro it, so i will cast it only when i have suffient embers.

Is it worth spending chaos bolts on the 640 sandmans pouch? Or do i have to wait for an better 1?

Thnx for your reply!!

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Thnx for your repley smile.png. The second DS.. Well now you mentioned it, and thinking about waisting your completely right. I had it macrod but like you said, to less embers to spend on it.

I will put it unerneat an weak aura and un macro it, so i will cast it only when i have suffient embers.

Is it worth spending chaos bolts on the 640 sandmans pouch? Or do i have to wait for an better 1?

Thnx for your reply!!

You've had DS macroed with what exactly?

 

Interaction with Sandman's is easy.

It's the strongest proc available for you, and you want your DS and damage procs to be syncronized together.

Wait for the proc, activate DS and burn embers. ICD of Sandman is 115 seconds, they line up together very nice.

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Hey guys. This is my log from yesterday's  Highmaul run with my guild https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/AJN9qp8KH7dWh6Mt

 

I'd like to ask you for any suggestions about improving my overall gameplay, mostly on Demo spec. I'm using affli on fights I don't feel comfortable as demo to do decent dps. Second Blackenspore pull and Textus kill are a good examples of my poor performance while Twin Ogron is a really decent one (i think?).

I'll be really greatfull for any help, tips and tricks.

 

Cheers,

 

Mortis

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Hey guys. This is my log from yesterday's  Highmaul run with my guild https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/AJN9qp8KH7dWh6Mt

 

I'd like to ask you for any suggestions about improving my overall gameplay, mostly on Demo spec. I'm using affli on fights I don't feel comfortable as demo to do decent dps. Second Blackenspore pull and Textus kill are a good examples of my poor performance while Twin Ogron is a really decent one (i think?).

I'll be really greatfull for any help, tips and tricks.

 

Cheers,

 

Mortis

Your DoT uptimes are really bad.

58 % and 69% for Tectus? Ridiculous.

Bracken wipes - pretty much the same picture.

On your Twins fight, 2nd cycle(after opening) is unbuffed, and you got that Dark Soul from AD at this point.

DoT uptime is bad there aswell - embarassing 67 % for corruption.

And yeah, you only used your SoN once. Macro them with something.

You seem to have a grasp on stuff. More practice will make you better. 

Good luck!

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Hello!

 

I've been plagued by bad dps, and reached an ultimate worst during my BFR raid last night.

I returned to WoD from vanilla, and had no idea what was going on. Started out Destro, but due to poor dps and a rather simplistic rotation  i switched to Demo.

Demo brought my DPS from sub-15k to 15k+. Ive had some events of 20k+ dps, without really knowing how i did it.

During BFR however, i was struggling to beat 15k. Even on low movement fights, 18k was around my max as a Demo lock.

I do realize it was a first time BFR for me, and thus i realize the dps and logs might be skewed abit due to this. ll try adding in some links to older logs from Highmaul etc.

 

Hope someone can help me out.

 

 

The butcher - Demonology


 

Kargath Heroic - Destruction


(yes, i realize my immolate uptime was bad. What else?)

Gruul - Destruction


I switched to destro, after having bad DPS with demo on gruul. 

 

Oregorger the devourer - Demonology


The big dips in the middle of the graph is obviously due to the "movement-phase" of dodging his rolling aka not DPS'ing

 

To sum it up, yes i realize potions are lacking and that uptimes of dots are usually pretty bad.

Although, I feel like even if i pushed uptimes to 90% or higher, and used some more pots, this wouldnt account for my in general poor damage. It almost feels like im missing some spells or some mechanics, which wasnt present in vanilla. I realize cleave is a big deal now, and for fights this is applicable, i understand this too could be a factor.

I am primarly prone to playing demo, as it seems like the most fun, although; getting some improvement in both specs is something i would highly enjoy.

 

Hope someone can help me out. 

Cheers

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@knabelkongen
Your Dark Soul usage is completely off the charts.

Check out your Butcher fight. You cast DS at 00:11, and your DB cycle follows 32 seconds later. Thirty-two seconds.
Same is for second cycle. You use DS for some reason at 01:09 and DBs are only cast at 01:43. 
Essentially, you wasted both of those Dark Souls.

Same is for Destro. At both your Kargath and Gruul fights your CBs are splattered all over the log and it makes absolutely no sense.

And all that is not counting your horrible uptime numbers, possible cleave/aoe/movement and etc.

Read over the guide and get used to changes. Glyph of Dark Soul is your best friend for Demo, as I suspect you didn't use it.
Good luck!

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@knabelkongen

Your Dark Soul usage is completely off the charts.

Check out your Butcher fight. You cast DS at 00:11, and your DB cycle follows 32 seconds later. Thirty-two seconds.

Same is for second cycle. You use DS for some reason at 01:09 and DBs are only cast at 01:43. 

Essentially, you wasted both of those Dark Souls.

Same is for Destro. At both your Kargath and Gruul fights your CBs are splattered all over the log and it makes absolutely no sense.

And all that is not counting your horrible uptime numbers, possible cleave/aoe/movement and etc.

Read over the guide and get used to changes. Glyph of Dark Soul is your best friend for Demo, as I suspect you didn't use it.

Good luck!

 

Thank you for your swift reply!

Yep, you're right. No glyph of dark soul. Trying using that now.

 

I still feel like im not generating enough demonic fury though. The fact that the guide here on IV says i shouldnt really have to manually reapply corruption, is NOT true for me. Sure, i get to prolong it when i metamorphosis, but i still have to reapply it quite often. 

could i be right that something is preventing the "speed" or how much DF i generate?

Also, anyone got any tips on how to use life-tap properly? other than "using it every 30-40 seconds"? is there any ninja-special tricks to using it properly?

Also, in regards to trinket procs, is it even possible to properly and consistently combo trinket procs with Dark soul+Metamorphosis?

 

Last note; what trinkets shall i aim for? couldnt find anything regarding specific trinkets in the guide.

Cheers <3

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I have one thing i am not sure with.  Situation ... i have enought  Demonic fury to cast 4 Demonbolts. I start to cast first demonbold and druing that cast progress start clicking on to Dark Soul. So when Demonbold finish its cast Dark Soul is run befor that first Demonbold land on his target. Will that demonbold get profit from Dark Soul or not and need to be cast before first demonbold ?

 

Thxs.

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Thank you for your swift reply!

Yep, you're right. No glyph of dark soul. Trying using that now.

 

I still feel like im not generating enough demonic fury though. The fact that the guide here on IV says i shouldnt really have to manually reapply corruption, is NOT true for me. Sure, i get to prolong it when i metamorphosis, but i still have to reapply it quite often. 

could i be right that something is preventing the "speed" or how much DF i generate?

Also, anyone got any tips on how to use life-tap properly? other than "using it every 30-40 seconds"? is there any ninja-special tricks to using it properly?

Also, in regards to trinket procs, is it even possible to properly and consistently combo trinket procs with Dark soul+Metamorphosis?

 

Last note; what trinkets shall i aim for? couldnt find anything regarding specific trinkets in the guide.

Cheers <3

Corruption is a big chunk of DF generation. If you are feeling really lacking DF, socket/chant some haste. It will make your life easier.

Guide is guide, and actual gameplay is different. I tend to reapply it manually often, too, as you don't usually cast much of ToC when using DB.

Life Tapping is just, you know, Life Tapping. Nothing really special, besides that you can do it when movement is required without losing anything.

Procs are random, and there is no real need to dance with them. 0,92ppm BRF trinkets are suited a bit better for DB cycling, but you shouldn't be concentrated on it, as you can't control them. Waiting is wasting your DS cooldown.

Actual trinkets from BRF are close in worth. Use what you can get your hands on.

Sandman's Pouch is generally not awesome. SoN are decent DF generation source. QR is decent.

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