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This thread is for comments about our Leoric build guide for Heroes of the Storm.

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Nice guide!

One tip that I would include is that you can hearth back during your Undying passive.May be kind of niche, but it has it's uses :)

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I'm sorry but most of these guides I've read on here really just don't make sense. Are these meant for lower MMR players? Higher MMR you don't see half of the picks.

 
Like I know Leo is new, but your talent selection is completely greedy. How do you NOT take 25% damage reduction while in Wraith Walk? You just leech more life back than they can do to you and just soak up damage if they focus you.
 
Too much emphasis on healing and not overall gameplay. Again seems like nothing but low MMR guides here.

Need to go to Tempo Storm or Heroes Fire if you want to the good stuff.
 
Good luck.

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Liked the quick talent build in the first page, could be awesome if you could add that to all the heroes, really nice and really friendly to those who are new to the game and when they switch to the talent tab they could get confused, with something like these helps that a lot

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Liked the quick talent build in the first page, could be awesome if you could add that to all the heroes, really nice and really friendly to those who are new to the game and when they switch to the talent tab they could get confused, with something like these helps that a lot

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I'm sorry but most of these guides I've read on here really just don't make sense. Are these meant for lower MMR players? Higher MMR you don't see half of the picks.

 

Like I know Leo is new, but your talent selection is completely greedy. How do you NOT take 25% damage reduction while in Wraith Walk? You just leech more life back than they can do to you and just soak up damage if they focus you.

 

Too much emphasis on healing and not overall gameplay. Again seems like nothing but low MMR guides here.

Need to go to Tempo Storm or Heroes Fire if you want to the good stuff.

 

Good luck.

Here are the hotslogs for our writers. I don't think we're in the "low MMR" standards here.

https://www.hotslogs.com/Player/Profile?PlayerID=162459

https://www.hotslogs.com/Player/Profile?PlayerID=272740

https://www.hotslogs.com/Player/Profile?PlayerID=813140

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I'm sorry but most of these guides I've read on here really just don't make sense. Are these meant for lower MMR players? Higher MMR you don't see half of the picks.

 
Like I know Leo is new, but your talent selection is completely greedy. How do you NOT take 25% damage reduction while in Wraith Walk? You just leech more life back than they can do to you and just soak up damage if they focus you.
 
Too much emphasis on healing and not overall gameplay. Again seems like nothing but low MMR guides here.

Need to go to Tempo Storm or Heroes Fire if you want to the good stuff.

 
Good luck.

 

You must be joking right? Icy Veins are pro guides, always have been.

The ones you find on Heroes Fire are usually quite ridiculous.

 

Anyhow, I was already played exactly the same build, it's damn awesome! I've been doing ridiculously well with it.

So this guide just confirms the awesomeness of this build biggrin.png

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I would like to stress that we're currently working on releasing the full in-depth Leoric guide as soon as possible. 

 

I do not claim this Build to be the one true way of playing Leoric but I'm glad to see that the majority of the feedback has been positive thus far.

 

Thank you everyone! 

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I'm sorry but most of these guides I've read on here really just don't make sense. Are these meant for lower MMR players? Higher MMR you don't see half of the picks.

 
Like I know Leo is new, but your talent selection is completely greedy. How do you NOT take 25% damage reduction while in Wraith Walk? You just leech more life back than they can do to you and just soak up damage if they focus you.
 
Too much emphasis on healing and not overall gameplay. Again seems like nothing but low MMR guides here.

Need to go to Tempo Storm or Heroes Fire if you want to the good stuff.

 
Good luck.

 

 

It seems you dont understand the pics then, take for example ETC, i like the build in this page more than the others BUT the reason why ETC pro gamers pick a lot of other thing is because of the team composition and whats youre role on a team, usually the player in charge of ETC on those teams go for the utility tank build,

 

Now youre blaming them for low mmr guides?????? are those players low mmr?????? i think they are at least rank 1, and they could be masters if the ranking system in Hots allow it.

 

I see these guide be a lot more friendly and be more useful in the quick match set and even on the hero league and, Unless youre comparing Pro gamers with the rest, these are for an all around, take in mind the difference.

 

Im going to put a comparison with hearthstone, a dude is complaining that Grim Patron is OP beacuse the PRO gamers are using it, you see the key word, PRO, its a way different league than just the rest, even if you are on the rank one the xp they have is, usually, a lot more

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You should make a note on the Drain Hope ability that both its damage and heal increase over time with the final tick being the most damaging/healing.

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Noticed that Spectral Leech is recommended at level 20, but your graphic has the skill marked as not-recommend with a red X, both in the handy listing at the top as well as under the section for level 20 talents.

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Spectral Leech is both recommended and not recommended at the same time! Truly, it has mastered Zen!

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I am doing quite well with Leo(and have had incredibly satisfying games) so far. I haven't used anything else than Spectral Leech on 20, though. Maybe I just need more games or I am lucky with the team mates I am getting paired with. The additional heal, stacked with the one from Drain Hope and the Renewal, I find, make you very easy to keep alive for the friendly supporters. There is a small range coming with Leo's basic attack that shouldn't be ignored when mentioning the Leech; nice few more swings at a slowed target.  

 

Also, I think Willing Vessel and Crushing Hope should be given consideration if the friendly composition is able to keep up with additional cc, because this makes for a very threatening range anti-tank possibilities. 

 

All in all, a very friendly guide. Appreciated.

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I've also happened to discover that tracer is another pretty hard counter to leoric.

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On May 23, 2016 at 5:50 PM, Guest chaoticnemisis said:

I've also happened to discover that tracer is another pretty hard counter to leoric.

How so? Leoric should never look for low percentile health targets for Drain HopeDrain Hope, and his Skeletal SwingSkeletal Swing is a large enough AoE an aggressive Tracer player probably couldn't escape it's reach. Also, Wraith WalkWraith Walk allows him to make her choose between using blinks to chase him or trying to kill him before he escapes, a task made difficult by Hardened BonesHardened Bones (a very good pickup against a tracer, or, in my opinion, anyone!) Even one of his Heroics, EntombEntomb, gets rid of her ability to BlinkBlink in all but one direction, allowing crowd control to take effect and her to be focus fired (if there is not a more valuable target you have trapped, such as the enemy's main healer.) I will say unless she just used up all of her charges of BlinkBlink and her RecallRecallMarch of the Black KingMarch of the Black King will normally be ineffective because she can get out of it's way so fast, but overall, Leoric shouldn't need to focus Tracer, as his bruiser potential and sustainability all come from assaulting high health heroes (E.T.C., Azmodan, Stitches, etc.)

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On 11/24/2016 at 3:51 PM, Niteshadow said:

How so?

In honesty, I think that comment was from when Tracer was still super OP after just being released. I can't remember when her nerf patch happened, but yeah. At that time, she was probably just an OP pain in the neck and many players were just having circles run round them because they didn't know how to react to her.

A good appraisal of the current state though!

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Please fix level 13 talent descriptions in the talent guide section. Crushing Hope seems to be both recommended and not recommended. Thanks.

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22 minutes ago, VitaminC said:

Please fix level 13 talent descriptions in the talent guide section. Crushing Hope seems to be both recommended and not recommended. Thanks.

Thank you for pointing it out, we'll be fixing it shortly.

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Hey everyone! 

The Leoric guide is going to get a well-deserved update soon and will be converted into the new format! :)

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Been playing Leoric quite a abit recently and find that the lvl 20 upgrade to MotBK is actually pretty decent and not too difficult to hit at least 1 or 2 heroes with the final swing. Even if you just hit 1 hero with the last swing its still an additional 25% heal on top of the base heal and heal from w. The heal and damage to the enemy team is ridiculous if you manage to hit more more than 1 hero with it. Personally feel that death march should certainly at least be marked as situational.

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1 hour ago, Guest Derzys said:

Been playing Leoric quite a abit recently and find that the lvl 20 upgrade to MotBK is actually pretty decent and not too difficult to hit at least 1 or 2 heroes with the final swing. Even if you just hit 1 hero with the last swing its still an additional 25% heal on top of the base heal and heal from w. The heal and damage to the enemy team is ridiculous if you manage to hit more more than 1 hero with it. Personally feel that death march should certainly at least be marked as situational.

In higher leagues, players are able to evade the Death MarchDeath March more easily, making it a situational talent limited to lower leagues, which is too niche, even for Situational tier. You also have to take consider the powerlevels of other talents in the same tier, and think about the situation where you would pick Death MarchDeath March over Hardened ShieldHardened Shield or Spectral LeechSpectral Leech.

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