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Heroes of the Storm Medivh

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This thread is for comments about our Medivh guide.

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Kendric is currently in Sweden, casting Dreamhack and the Summer Championships. Just warning you that you may not get a very prompt reply :p

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Hey!! Actually I am using different build with a lot of succes.

First mana refund on Arcane.

Then depands on opposite faction - either 200% boost to view or revealing stealth.

Then 25% more dmg bonus.

Then Medivh Void Prison.

Then faster raven.

Then Reabsorption.

And either Tristfall Guardian for defense or Invisibility or Arcane power.

 

Also I found out Medivh is REALLY stron with Zerathul + Nova combo. They can pick almost anybody instantly.

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Hey guys! 

With Medivh being successfully used in competitive play and the latest balance update being live, I am now going to update the guide over the next few days. Stay tuned! :)

 

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On 10/24/2016 at 2:56 PM, Guest cakewalk said:

From my recent experience, Medivh works as a great counter against Samuro!

Thanks for letting us know!

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Any way to tell if you'll be good on Medivh? I have tried him, but playing against an AI without any teammates who could/will use your abilities (not the Malf bot) doesn't really give a good idea. Just as a side note, I am not a great support player, and Force of Will might be my weakest skill on him in a team fight.

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Time to finish the;

Medivh Strategy, Tips, and Tricks

part?

Disclaimer said it was gonna be done within a few weeks after Medivhs arrival....

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The guide team is in the process of re-formatting all the guides and I believe that section will get rolled into the abilities section and the talents section once they get to  Medivh. 

@Niteshadow- unless you play almost exclusively with a team that communicates over voice, force of will is your most powerful and important ability. You ability as a solo Medivh is determined largely by you ability to predict and block huge bursts of damage on a regular basis. 

 

With coordinated teammates your scouting in raven form and your timely portals start to become way more important, but I definitely think Medivhs not for you if you are confident that you'll never be good at catching incoming damage with force of will. 

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1 minute ago, Voltorocks said:

The guide team is in the process of re-formatting all the guides and I believe that section will get rolled into the abilities section and the talents section once they get to  Medivh. 

@Niteshadow- unless you play almost exclusively with a team that communicates over voice, force of will is your most powerful and important ability. You ability as a solo Medivh is determined largely by you ability to predict and block huge bursts of damage on a regular basis. 

 

With coordinated teammates your scouting in raven form and your timely portals start to become way more important, but I definitely think Medivhs not for you if you are confident that you'll never be good at catching incoming damage with force of will. 

Alright, thanks!

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On 1/26/2017 at 11:12 AM, Guest Medivh strat finish said:

Disclaimer said it was gonna be done within a few weeks after Medivhs arrival....

Essentially, that portion of the guide doesn't exist in the new guide formats. When Medivh does make the transition, it instead gets lumped together with the general playstyle section. This should be happening very soon, as far as I know. You can see what I mean in the Tassadar guide, for example, which has been updated to the new format.

Sorry for the wait!

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On 1/29/2017 at 8:23 PM, Voltorocks said:

The guide team is in the process of re-formatting all the guides and I believe that section will get rolled into the abilities section and the talents section once they get to  Medivh. 

Thanks for helping to answer those questions :)

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On 1/29/2017 at 8:25 PM, Niteshadow said:

Alright, thanks!

Sorry that I didn't get round to your question, but glad to see it got picked up by another helpful soul :)

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Just hopped in to say "Ley Line Seal" might be good for "freezing" half of the enemy team mid-fight while you deal with the un"frozen" ones.

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Look, Ley Line Seal can be used to steal boss from the other team. l have done it countless times. l actually think Poly Bomb is not a very good pick unless you are new to Medivh. 2 seconds are way more enough for enemies to spread out and avoid the chain reaction, unless they are bad.... lt is only good to lock down a single target like tracer, or zeratul to prevent them from disengaging. Or use it to counter offense such as  Butcher's Lamb to Slaughter(Assuming you are not the target) and ETC's Mosh Pit(QM people are pretty bad, there was once ETC's Mosh Pit got 2 people, l ley line seal, then after the stasis ends, his mosh pit got 3 people, and yes, l pinged retreat but nobody listened).  At level 20, Guardian of Trisifall is a lot better than Glyph of Poly Bomb, and l go for arcane intelligence if there are at least 2 hero that requires mana.  And Medivh Cheats is also a pretty good talent, sometimes ley line seal can't hit all enemy on boss, so change direction will make it very likely to steal boss from the other team, and  1 additional second of stasis make it almost on par with void prison. Medivh can fly in as raven to cast Ley Line Seal, and change direction to avoid hitting unintentional target. l mean this talent is just way better than void  prison. Void  Prison can't be used  to steal boss, because the spot will be in stasis too.

--- approximately level 30 Medivh.

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2 hours ago, Guest Eastwall said:

Look, Ley Line Seal can be used to steal boss from the other team. l have done it countless times. l actually think Poly Bomb is not a very good pick unless you are new to Medivh. 2 seconds are way more enough for enemies to spread out and avoid the chain reaction, unless they are bad.... lt is only good to lock down a single target like tracer, or zeratul to prevent them from disengaging. Or use it to counter offense such as  Butcher's Lamb to Slaughter(Assuming you are not the target) and ETC's Mosh Pit(QM people are pretty bad, there was once ETC's Mosh Pit got 2 people, l ley line seal, then after the stasis ends, his mosh pit got 3 people, and yes, l pinged retreat but nobody listened).  At level 20, Guardian of Trisifall is a lot better than Glyph of Poly Bomb, and l go for arcane intelligence if there are at least 2 hero that requires mana.  And Medivh Cheats is also a pretty good talent, sometimes ley line seal can't hit all enemy on boss, so change direction will make it very likely to steal boss from the other team, and  1 additional second of stasis make it almost on par with void prison. Medivh can fly in as raven to cast Ley Line Seal, and change direction to avoid hitting unintentional target. l mean this talent is just way better than void  prison. Void  Prison can't be used  to steal boss, because the spot will be in stasis too.

--- approximately level 30 Medivh.

The guide is currently on our rework list, and will be updated soon-ish. 

The sad thing about Medivh's Heroics is that they are weak. I would put both talents as Situational, or Recommended. 
Agree with you on T20. Guardian of TirisfalGuardian of Tirisfal is indeed very powerful. 

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l would  not say they are both weak. lt is just hard to use, or hard for your team to follow up(l think this is the major reason, but at least Ley Line Seal is quit stable at helping teammate disengage). Glyph of Poly Bomb is a good  talent, but Guardian of Tirisfall is just too good to be passed in many situations. 

Also, Portal Mastery is indeed for advanced Medivh player(l am working on that talent now). Maybe put that as situational? Since that is not a bad talent at all. 

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3 hours ago, Guest Eastwall said:

l would  not say they are both weak. lt is just hard to use, or hard for your team to follow up(l think this is the major reason, but at least Ley Line Seal is quit stable at helping teammate disengage). Glyph of Poly Bomb is a good  talent, but Guardian of Tirisfall is just too good to be passed in many situations. 

Also, Portal Mastery is indeed for advanced Medivh player(l am working on that talent now). Maybe put that as situational? Since that is not a bad talent at all. 

If your team is unable to follow up most of the time (when the Heroic is meant to set up the field), it is a reason to call the Heroic weak. If the enemy team is able to evade the Heroic somewhat easily if they pay enough attention, it is a reason to call the talent weak. I think it might be the biggest reason why Medivh is currently sitting at tier 4 out of 5.

Portal MasteryPortal Mastery impairs your ability to fight or help your team during fight, as you need time to set the portals up. Now, the Situational tier is meant for abilities that are better than  under circumstances that aren't super rare. When do you pick Portal MasteryPortal Mastery over Raven's IntellectRaven's Intellect and Stable PortalStable Portal knowing, that it is the best pick?

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18 hours ago, positiv2 said:

I think it might be the biggest reason why Medivh is currently sitting at tier 4 out of 5.

I think the biggest reason Medivh is at this current Tier List spot is because the huge complexity behind the character. In my opinion he is potentially a Top Tier since he is pretty much a jack-of-trades: he can shield allies (with invulnerability), grant them a escape/engage/chase mechanic using his portals, deals decent damage in low cooldowns, can scout the maps better than any other hero and has two strong CCs in the form of his Heroics.

The problem of Medivh is how hard it is required to play him right; a pro Medivh can easily turn the tide of any match given the utility he brings to team. But without proper communication he fails to unleash his true potential, because all his skills require that.

I don't think that Ley Line Seal is so bad; it's just a less powerful Void Prison. It is more situational then Poly Bomb, but it is not a bad Heroic in my opinion. I've seen players flipping the tables with this skill in beautiful ways. I once even witnessed a Ley Line Seal followed by a Void Prison that have enough time for the healer to top the health of an entire team doomed to fall.

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I use the portal build, however I felt the need to express my disagreement concerning the heroic options.

I find Ley Line Seal very easy to land, and if you manage to freeze the entire ennemy team, you can wait until they finish a boss and just casually steal them and return in Raven Form. It can also be used should you be victim of a gank, since using Raven Form (or Portal) takes less time than the duration of the time stop.

Poly Bomb on the other hand, seems unrelyable. If not used with others forms of crowd control, the targetted ennemy will just walk away from the team for 2 seconds, and come back. Assuming they have some form of shielding, it even prevents from frocusing this ennemy for those 2 seconds. It seems to only work in choke points, where the ennemy team can hardly spread out, and in that case, Ley Line Seal seems to be a better option.

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On 13. 6. 2017 at 1:21 AM, Farbas said:

I use the portal build, however I felt the need to express my disagreement concerning the heroic options.

I find Ley Line Seal very easy to land, and if you manage to freeze the entire ennemy team, you can wait until they finish a boss and just casually steal them and return in Raven Form. It can also be used should you be victim of a gank, since using Raven Form (or Portal) takes less time than the duration of the time stop.

Poly Bomb on the other hand, seems unrelyable. If not used with others forms of crowd control, the targetted ennemy will just walk away from the team for 2 seconds, and come back. Assuming they have some form of shielding, it even prevents from frocusing this ennemy for those 2 seconds. It seems to only work in choke points, where the ennemy team can hardly spread out, and in that case, Ley Line Seal seems to be a better option.

The issue with this is that both heroics are situational, unreliable (easy to avoid), somewhat weak on their own (they both need a strong follow-up from your team), and both work in the same situation. Some time ago, Poly BombPoly Bomb was the better talent, but due to meta shifts the power has shifted to both heroics being on pretty much the same level, and being a thing of personal preference. The guide hasn't been updated simply because nobody really plays Medivh (the only heroes with lower popularity are TLV and Cho'Gall), and energy and time were focused on more important guides and builds. 

So, I disagree with the current build (I believe both should be Situational), but there isn't much else I can do about it. Sorry for the inconvenience.

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