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Guest Kennedie

Often times Pawn and Icy Veins' BiS list do not match up.  I know some of this is quite dependent on warforging.  So when in doubt, do you follow the bis list or the pawn upgrade recommendation?  When does ilvl increase override both of these tools (bis list and Pawn)?

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5 minutes ago, Guest Kennedie said:

Often times Pawn and Icy Veins' BiS list do not match up.  I know some of this is quite dependent on warforging.  So when in doubt, do you follow the bis list or the pawn upgrade recommendation?  When does ilvl increase override both of these tools (bis list and Pawn)?

Every BIS list changes with every other bit of gear you get. So its a solid idea to sim yourself when getting gear to determine if its a solid upgrade or not.

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12 hours ago, trollbmhunter said:

What is mean "T19M"?

I think "T19" means "Tier 19".

But I don't know that "M" of the "T19M".

I guess "M" is NH equipment oriented Mastery, but I'm not sure.

Because you live in a country where you do not speak English, it is difficult to guess the meaning of the words you abbreviate.

Additionally, is the trinket rank derived from wearing BiS equipment?

 

Tier 19 Mythic = T19M

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5 hours ago, Guest Kennedie said:

Often times Pawn and Icy Veins' BiS list do not match up.  I know some of this is quite dependent on warforging.  So when in doubt, do you follow the bis list or the pawn upgrade recommendation?  When does ilvl increase override both of these tools (bis list and Pawn)?

Pawn doesn't take into account Breakpoints for stats. Pawn strictly tells you the value of the piece based on the stat weights.
BiS lists normally hit all breakpoints or overall provided the strongest arrangement of gear, thus marking it Best in Slot.
The nature of Best in Slot means that that wearing said gear provides you with all the bonuses, stats, etc. that you would need to perform the class at the highest level. Best in Slot, however, cannot ASSUME you Titanforge everything to 925, which is where Pawn can be handy.
Overall, get a piece of gear and sim it to see if the swapping in of that piece is a DPS gain.

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Guest nightmare

I don't get it. The 4 piece NH bonus set for Bm spec is good for trash mobs but if i switch to single target dps and drop Dire stable and Stomp for way of the cobra and dire frenzy the stats on my 4 piece don't change and do not enhance for single target boss fights since i dont have any dire pets .. what am i missing? the bonus says all of my currently summoned dire beast gain dps for 15 seconds...

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3 hours ago, Guest nightmare said:

I don't get it. The 4 piece NH bonus set for Bm spec is good for trash mobs but if i switch to single target dps and drop Dire stable and Stomp for way of the cobra and dire frenzy the stats on my 4 piece don't change and do not enhance for single target boss fights since i dont have any dire pets .. what am i missing? the bonus says all of my currently summoned dire beast gain dps for 15 seconds...

switching to single target in BM spec nullifies the 4 set bonus since i have no dire beasts,, wouldnt it be better to keep dire beasts settup because  of the of 4 set bonus from NH

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The guide's talent cheat sheets are confusing.  Saying in the summary to use One with the Pack with the legendary shoulders while in the same place recommending Dire Frenzy, but down in the details for that tier it says to use Bestial Fury with Dire Frenzy.  So basically, use Dire Frenzy and Bestial Fury, why even mention One with the Pack?

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One with the Pack Icon One with the Pack is not worth taking normally, however it is worth noting that if you are the lucky owner of the The Mantle of Command Icon The Mantle of Command, it might be better than Bestial Fury for a pure single-target fight, unless you are using Dire Frenzy Icon Dire Frenzy, in which case you should stick to Bestial Fury.

 

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Better clarifying why I was confused.

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9 hours ago, Guest nightmare said:

switching to single target in BM spec nullifies the 4 set bonus since i have no dire beasts,, wouldnt it be better to keep dire beasts settup because  of the of 4 set bonus from NH

The 4-set affects Dire Frenzy in the exact same way.

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  • 2-piece set bonus: When you use Bestial Wrath Icon Bestial Wrath, the damage done by your Dire Beast Icon Dire Beast (including its Stomp ability on spawn) is increased by 50% for 15 seconds. This applies to Dire Beasts summoned after casting Bestial Wrath as well. This bonus does not apply to Dire Frenzy Icon Dire Frenzy, making this talent not worth using.
  • 4-piece set bonus: Dire Beast Icon Dire Beast reduces the cooldown of Bestial Wrath Icon Bestial Wrath by an additional 8 seconds.

It's useless for 2 set bonus the single target reccomended  spec and the 4 set bonus only reduces Bestial Wrath... there's nothing attractive using single target spec. I've tested it and lose 50 k with single target spec.. when i switch back to the dire beast spec i gain 50 k dps on single target dps.   I also don't see how Murder of Crows is attractive either, You can only use it maybe 2 or 3 times on a boss fight. At least volley is steady diet of dps. Man i have a lot to learn... 886 ilvl and great on trash ,, horrible on boss dps.MM is even worse I'm lucky to break 300 k with the guides here..... 370 k Dps as MM on single target using dire stable . Back to the drawing board again.

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23 hours ago, Guest nightmare said:
  • 2-piece set bonus: When you use Bestial Wrath Icon Bestial Wrath, the damage done by your Dire Beast Icon Dire Beast (including its Stomp ability on spawn) is increased by 50% for 15 seconds. This applies to Dire Beasts summoned after casting Bestial Wrath as well. This bonus does not apply to Dire Frenzy Icon Dire Frenzy, making this talent not worth using.

It's useless for 2 set bonus the single target reccomended  spec and the 4 set bonus only reduces Bestial Wrath... 

This information is outdated.

Hotfix on Feb 6th: "With the Dire Frenzy talent, the Eagletalon Battlegear Beast Mastery 2-piece bonus should now grant your pet 10% increased damage for 15 seconds. This will not be reflected in the tooltip until Patch 7.2." (source)

23 hours ago, Guest nightmare said:

I also don't see how Murder of Crows is attractive either, You can only use it maybe 2 or 3 times on a boss fight.

I've not actually tested this extensively myself, but what I have learnt from others who have, aMoC is still a net DPS gain when used in combination with BW. Volley starts to shine when you're dealing with 3 targets or more.

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On 3/1/2017 at 9:49 PM, TalonShadowsong said:

The nature of Best in Slot means that that wearing said gear provides you with all the bonuses, stats, etc. that you would need to perform the class at the highest level. Best in Slot, however, cannot ASSUME you Titanforge everything to 925, which is where Pawn can be handy.

This right here is the explanation for why we don't have perfect BiS for loads of classes anymore. Titanforged completely ruined things, since you can't assume people are lucky enough to get a 925 TF piece 16 times.

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On 3/4/2017 at 6:03 AM, AmiYuy said:

The guide's talent cheat sheets are confusing.  Saying in the summary to use One with the Pack with the legendary shoulders while in the same place recommending Dire Frenzy, but down in the details for that tier it says to use Bestial Fury with Dire Frenzy.  So basically, use Dire Frenzy and Bestial Fury, why even mention One with the Pack?

It's in case people don't like using DF, since it is an on-use spell.

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On 3/5/2017 at 3:54 PM, Guest nightmare said:

I also don't see how Murder of Crows is attractive either, You can only use it maybe 2 or 3 times on a boss fight. At least volley is steady diet of dps.

All depends on the type of fight. Check out https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/11#class=Hunter&spec=BeastMastery and you can see what I mean. Different fights favour AMOC/V.

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1 hour ago, WebGremlin said:

Hotfix on Feb 6th: "With the Dire Frenzy talent, the Eagletalon Battlegear Beast Mastery 2-piece bonus should now grant your pet 10% increased damage for 15 seconds. This will not be reflected in the tooltip until Patch 7.2." (source)

This actually should  have been updated. I'll ask Azor to add it.

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Guest Morjoko

Hello!

I have started reading this guide a few months ago and have been following it rather closely but I have question that's been bugging me for a bit.

In the guide you mention under Focus that you should never cap Focus, but what I want to know is how to handle situations where that is not possible without deviating from the rotation.

For example, I have the Legendary shoulders and I run DF for ST. When I open with the Opener Rotation I cap focus like crazy just due to the fact that DF frontloads the Focus it generates and the large amount of Focus AotW gives at the same time.

Should I be okay with capping Focus at the start of an encounter? If not how should I weave in a few Cobra Shots to alleviate that? What is the priority of not capping focus compared to the rotation?

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On 3/6/2017 at 8:38 AM, Blainie said:

It's in case people don't like using DF, since it is an on-use spell.

Dire Frenzy replaces Dire Beast which is also an on-use spell.

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On 3/6/2017 at 10:30 AM, Guest Morjoko said:

Hello!

I have started reading this guide a few months ago and have been following it rather closely but I have question that's been bugging me for a bit.

In the guide you mention under Focus that you should never cap Focus, but what I want to know is how to handle situations where that is not possible without deviating from the rotation.

For example, I have the Legendary shoulders and I run DF for ST. When I open with the Opener Rotation I cap focus like crazy just due to the fact that DF frontloads the Focus it generates and the large amount of Focus AotW gives at the same time.

Should I be okay with capping Focus at the start of an encounter? If not how should I weave in a few Cobra Shots to alleviate that? What is the priority of not capping focus compared to the rotation?

Avoiding focus cap is strictly when able. You will not always be able to do it, particularly in the opening rotation with the shoulders. Just make sure you stick to your rotation and use abilities immediately. The guide is mostly referring to in between CDs. If you are not pooling for an upcoming BW, then use CS when you get past 90 focus to avoid capping.

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Regarding the BM Opener

Why wouldn't I start with Kill Command or Multi-shot if spec'd into Volley, then use Aspect of the Wild (since it regens focus) followed by Bestial Wrath.

The duration for AotW is 13 secs for any 35 trait BM weapon, while the duration for BW is 10 seconds (not withstanding relics that add time to AotW)

 

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On 3/12/2017 at 0:19 AM, Ammako said:

BM Hunter gear page talks about Kil'Jaeden's Burning Wish as if this was the Marksmanship guide. ;p

Yeah, that's likely a cut and paste errror.  I recognized to use Bestial Wrath prior to the on use of Kil'Jaeden's Burning Wish

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Guest relics and help tips

hey guys

i have jaws of thunder and 2x pack leader.. is that ok? or should i have 1 furius swipes for aoe and 1 jaws of thunder, 1 pack leader for single target?

also this..

I am at 896 ilvl and using icy-veins guide and warcraft logs for the talents at any nighthold boss.

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/beast-mastery-hunter-pve-dps-guide

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/11#class=Hunter&spec=BeastMastery&difficulty=4

i am doing 450k to 550k dps depends on boss.. i think for my gear and ilvl its low.. My rotation goes like this :

dire beast-bestial wrath-KC-Titanstrike and then all the cd cooldowns (wild-crows-racial) as an opener and then what it comes of cd.. i have wrist and boots legendary and 9% haste , 72% mastery.. Any tip to improve my dps?

Also today drop for me from order hall chest the trinket Naraxa's spiked tongue(890 ilvl) and if i wear it i am going at 78% mastery but i will lose the trinket Bloodthirsty instict(880 ilvl) that i know its a bis trinket for hunters.. what should i do?

thanks in advance

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On 3/6/2017 at 5:30 PM, Guest Morjoko said:

Should I be okay with capping Focus at the start of an encounter? If not how should I weave in a few Cobra Shots to alleviate that? What is the priority of not capping focus compared to the rotation?

Yes. You shouldn't go to a non-optimal rotation just to try and spend focus. It's fine sometimes.

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On 3/8/2017 at 2:31 AM, AmiYuy said:

Dire Frenzy replaces Dire Beast which is also an on-use spell.

Making an on-use spell more powerful means you have to use it more frequently, more accurately. You can instead take Stomp if you wish for a passive ability. Hope that kinda makes sense?

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On 3/8/2017 at 4:33 PM, Sharknad0 said:

Avoiding focus cap is strictly when able. You will not always be able to do it, particularly in the opening rotation with the shoulders. Just make sure you stick to your rotation and use abilities immediately. The guide is mostly referring to in between CDs. If you are not pooling for an upcoming BW, then use CS when you get past 90 focus to avoid capping.

Thanks for helping to answer :)

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