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 What logic stnads behind "Haste (4th stat judging by stat's page) trinket with unusable (in half or more raid fights) proc" being our best trinket???

 

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Guest atmosphere

Where does the new trinket, Kiljaeden's Burning WIsh rank against the new NH trinkets?

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Is Icon of rot not on there?  and I still don't get the melee trinket that's not listed in the dj on our loot table as being bis..

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On 1/17/2017 at 7:31 PM, Guest meatshots said:

I dont really get pawn strings tbh... Someone care to explain? Is the pawnstring for marksman correct all the time, because i read that its individual to each character?

Yes, they are individual to each character. Please read the Pawn section from the guide:

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Pawn is an add-on that calculates the value of items based on the stat weights you input for your character. Below you will find importable Pawn strings that you can and should use with the addon, unless you have used SimulationCraft to generate Pawn strings that are specific to your character, which is always the better option.

Something you calculate yourself will be more accurate for your character. These are just general weights for people that can't do so or don't want to.

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On 1/18/2017 at 3:53 AM, darquis said:

I'm confused by the Guldan trinket (that doesn't appear to be on our loot table) - what's the thought process?

New update to guide to reflect the sims:

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Note: The Draught of Souls Icon Draught of Souls trinket is supposed to be used from melee, making it a sketchy choice for Beast Mastery and Marksmanship. Additionally, it does reduced damage for ranged specs. The simulation below will reflect this as soon as possible.

Hope this helps.

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On 1/18/2017 at 6:23 AM, adamaj said:

So, if I understand multiple target rotation correctly, on 3 targets we just carry on as normal and swap out Arcane Shot for Multi-Shot, and on 4 targets and above we should spam Multi-Shot fishing for a Marking Targets proc to use Marked Shot, and use Aimed Shot as a focus dump to keep from capping if we don't get a Marking Targets proc?

Already answered by another user, but just confirming.

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On 1/18/2017 at 0:57 PM, Guest Veniio said:

Can somebody tell me how I am supposed to have focus for two Aimed Shot (even 3 with BL) after 10. point? I always miss focus. Can do only one Aimed shot. Haste ~9%

Can you try this opener on a dummy, log it and show me the log?

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On 1/18/2017 at 1:17 PM, Vuda said:

So Draught of Souls turns out to be the bis trinket? Ugh, I don't know how it exactly works, but it sounds like I have to get in close range, then hope that in 3 seconds of using it I won't die to a boss mechanic and then Disengage back... And it's not even in MM loot table. I hope I'll be able to stick to my 885 arcanocrystal instead for some time...

New update on trinket:

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Note: The Draught of Souls Icon Draught of Souls trinket is supposed to be used from melee, making it a sketchy choice for Beast Mastery and Marksmanship. Additionally, it does reduced damage for ranged specs. The simulation below will reflect this as soon as possible.

Hope this helps.

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On 1/18/2017 at 4:39 PM, Guest Icon of Rot etc said:

How good is Icon of rot? got an 875 version from the quest.

It's in the sims. It's pretty awful so far it seems.

Also, no.

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On 1/18/2017 at 4:49 PM, Guest Drekthal said:

In the simcraft AND on the bis Items the Draught of Souls trinket is bis... but that trinket is not only for melee? Or it can be used by MM hunters too?

New update on trinket:

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Note: The Draught of Souls Icon Draught of Souls trinket is supposed to be used from melee, making it a sketchy choice for Beast Mastery and Marksmanship. Additionally, it does reduced damage for ranged specs. The simulation below will reflect this as soon as possible.

Hope this helps.

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On 1/18/2017 at 9:30 PM, Guest TreP said:

This BiS list only for Nighthold drop, right? Because crafted rings/neck/head (Engineer glasses) with right stats feels to be much better.

Yep, it is.

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18 hours ago, Guest TreP said:

There is only one crafted. class specific hunter neck, which you can upgrade to 865. Linking is pointless, since stats are random. The question is, isn't this neck better with right stats? You can get haste/mastery, crit/mastery, double mastery. Of course crit/vers neck would be worse.

Compared to the current BiS neck, I don't see why it would be better. 865 vs. 880+ with C/M already?

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17 hours ago, Nairesha said:

I really wonder about the neck enchant. It feels like it has not been updated with the most recent enchantment additions. Or am I missing something? A lot use the trained soldier now, 600 Mastery.

I'm not aware of any pending changes to the neck enchant. You can check the simulations for neck enchants here:

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/marksmanship-hunter-pve-dps-simulations

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10 hours ago, Ksedinio said:

 What logic stnads behind "Haste (4th stat judging by stat's page) trinket with unusable (in half or more raid fights) proc" being our best trinket???

 

Well, simulations. It has since been nerfed for Ranged anyway.

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Note: The Draught of Souls Icon Draught of Souls trinket is supposed to be used from melee, making it a sketchy choice for Beast Mastery and Marksmanship. Additionally, it does reduced damage for ranged specs. The simulation below will reflect this as soon as possible.

Hope this helps.

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8 hours ago, Guest atmosphere said:

Where does the new trinket, Kiljaeden's Burning WIsh rank against the new NH trinkets?

I believe it's very powerful for AoE and, given the huge amount of stats on it, I would expect it to sit fairly high on ST also. Will ask Azor to include it in sims.

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3 hours ago, darquis said:

Is Icon of rot not on there?  and I still don't get the melee trinket that's not listed in the dj on our loot table as being bis..

Answered your above, but will answer again:

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Note: The Draught of Souls Icon Draught of Souls trinket is supposed to be used from melee, making it a sketchy choice for Beast Mastery and Marksmanship. Additionally, it does reduced damage for ranged specs. The simulation below will reflect this as soon as possible.

It has been nerfed for ranged. It was an oversight by Blizzard. Also, yes, IoR is on there, it just sucks.

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2 hours ago, Blainie said:

Answered your above, but will answer again:

It has been nerfed for ranged. It was an oversight by Blizzard. Also, yes, IoR is on there, it just sucks.

Is this means that Blizzard will fix it for ranged soon ? is there any info about that ? Because right now I guess BIS will stay the trinket from Elisande ?

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4 hours ago, Metztli said:

Is this means that Blizzard will fix it for ranged soon ? is there any info about that ? Because right now I guess BIS will stay the trinket from Elisande ?

They won't fix it for ranged because it's not meant to be a ranged trinket - it's why it's not on our loot table (my guess, of course)

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Guest tokémon

Are there any sims out for the legendary trink?

 

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On 14.1.2017 at 3:34 PM, Luthixx said:

 

On 14.1.2017 at 10:56 AM, Blainie said:

He is saying that if you are stuck in that position, you would take Crit instead to force your Haste down until you can push above 22%.

Thank you Blainie, yes that was what I was saying. 

Pawn values are derived from simulations so to say that you should ignore Sims for Pawn values is a little redundant. 

 

But this would mean a cap (even two), wouldn`t it?

Azortharion himself gives me the answer I was looking for in his recent guide update:

" The other important thing is to almost completely abolish the habit of introducing or accepting downtime. The exception is when casting an additional Arcane Shot IconArcane Shot during Vulnerable would mean that you cannot fit in another Aimed Shot. "

So some downtimes are allowed after all.

You didn´t get it, but thanks anyway gyus :-)

 

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Im not sure how to handle MS and WB.

In the guide MS hast a higher priority than WB. Doing so, it feels that WB is casted quite rarely, since there is often a new proc ready for the next MS after the vurnerable window.

How do you do that?

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Guest majfg

Question to Azortharion. We have quite a lot of cleave fights in NH, what trinkets would You recommend for those fights also what 2 legends are bis for fights like this (got gloves belt and boots).

My second question. Are You gonna make short guide for NH fights in future? talent, trinkets, legendery choice and some tips for specific fights?

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Guest lightib

thx for your guide.

what is tier 4 set opener cycle?

help..

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Guest Souin

Hotfixes say that Sidewinders dmg has been increased by 33%.

 

Is it viable again?

 

Thanks!

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Guest Zatara

I too am curious to see if the buff to sidewinders makes the talent more viable then some of the current builds.

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