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On 1/29/2017 at 7:08 PM, Guest Arctos said:

Frizzo's Fingertrap causes carve to refresh lacerate on single target fights now; if the target is already effected by lacerate, carve basically recasts lacerate, doing carve's damage, the lacerate initial hit, and refreshing the dot.  Is this accounted for in the sims/etc?  Does it change the legendary rankings?

They have been updated to reflect this change already, I believe. Sims have taken this into account since it first showed up on the PTR as far as I know.

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21 hours ago, Guest Tom said:

Why is Guarm Mastery simmed higher than Guarm Haste if haste is your top priority stat and mastery isnt?

From the guide:

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For Survival in particular, it is worth noting that when a simulation has a lot of one stat to start with, statsticks with that stat on it will be devalued somewhat. We recommend simming statstick trinkets for yourself to decide between them.

Hope this helps.

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On 1/31/2017 at 8:54 AM, Blainie said:

They have been updated to reflect this change already, I believe. Sims have taken this into account since it first showed up on the PTR as far as I know.

Mhm, I asked because I wasn't seeing anything in the imported/base APL saying to use carve to maintain lacerate w/frizzo's (instead of just recasting lacerate).

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1 hour ago, Guest Arctos said:

Mhm, I asked because I wasn't seeing anything in the imported/base APL saying to use carve to maintain lacerate w/frizzo's (instead of just recasting lacerate).

This is the fix that added the Lacerate interaction, as far as I know:

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/commit/c46a1c3957428a740d19052e9e78894b18a94e7a

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On 1/31/2017 at 5:45 AM, Blainie said:

It looks like things have pretty much solidified now and there's loads of WotM users in the top 10s. Not sure if that's as a result of the guide or because it is the best thing, but yeah, I guess that first set is pretty solid. 

As for AMOC/SH/MW, I've put in a note to Azor and we'll see what changes need to be made! 

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/11#class=Hunter&spec=Survival


Mythic logs. The top SV on Skorpyon, for example, has Animal Instincts. As do the #5, 7, and 9.

There's at least one person in every boss that uses Animal Instincts in the top 10. Two of which the top SV for the fight used it. So obviously WotM being the "only viable" talent (as the talent page states) is clearly off.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/11#class=Hunter&spec=Survival&difficulty=4

Heroic Logs. On every fight except 2 of 10, either the #1 or #2 SV uses Animal Instincts.

In both cases, the top survival overall (Velratha) uses Animal Instincts on every fight except Spellblade, where Flanking Strike isn't very reliable.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/11#class=Hunter&spec=Survival&difficulty=3

Normal Logs. There's still some Animal Instincts users, but this is dominated by WotM. This reinforces the idea it's the 2p and 4p that makes Animal Instincts far superior. If you look at the gear of most of the people, they lack the 2p/4p, same with most of the WotM users in Heroic/Mythic.
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My entire point is the guide states that WotM is the only viable option, but clearly it isn't, when the top SV hunter for heroic runs Animal Instincts, as do many others. It's only in lower tiers where tier gear is still rare that AI isn't taken very often.

The guide really should be updated to mention it's viable, if not preferred, if you have the 2p or 4p. (Not sure which one makes it outperform though, as the diff. SV hunters at the top have different opinions)

And I thank you for passing along the Murder of Crow tier stuff.

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Guest Whacku

Is nightmare egg shell a good trinket? I'm trying to gear up my sv and I'm not having any luck getting a BI so I'm looking for one I can farm. I'm not quite at NH level yet either. It's not on the trinket list... I have an 825 one and it feels really strong.

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23 hours ago, Reinhilde said:

The guide really should be updated to mention it's viable, if not preferred, if you have the 2p or 4p. (Not sure which one makes it outperform though, as the diff. SV hunters at the top have different opinions)

And I thank you for passing along the Murder of Crow tier stuff.

I see what you mean, I think I misunderstood slightly what you wanted (thought you meant AI needed to be listed as the top talent over Mok). I'll pass it on again.

As for AMOC, this was Azor's response:

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Snake Hunter will mean more 6-stack Mongoose Fury windows and lets you control when they happen, which ties into the set bonuses and makes it a decent-ish talent choice. Mortal Wounds is just straight suck however.

Should be an update to the guide to reflect that SH can work!

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7 hours ago, Guest Whacku said:

Is nightmare egg shell a good trinket? I'm trying to gear up my sv and I'm not having any luck getting a BI so I'm looking for one I can farm. I'm not quite at NH level yet either. It's not on the trinket list... I have an 825 one and it feels really strong.

It's a fairly decent trinket, but it only procs from auto attacks which kinda sucks. It's way better for dual-wielding classes.

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Guest Legendarys

I've got a question regarding the legendarys

How comes, that Sephuzs Secret is somehow now a shit legendary, which isn't even listed anymore?

Isn't the haste buff a huge increase to the playstyle overall?

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2 hours ago, Guest Legendarys said:

How comes, that Sephuzs Secret is somehow now a shit legendary, which isn't even listed anymore?

It's not on the rankings because it is no longer usable on boss fights where there are no adds to trigger the proc on. It was previously "bugged" to work for SV Hunter, but has since been fixed. It is still evaluated, but it is pretty poor in raids.

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Guest randomdude

Hey i just modeled your opener in simc and compared it to the opener of the survival faq.

the opener from the survival faq comes out ontop with like 6% if you switch Crows with Explosion Trap

 

adjust it maybe?

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On 2/4/2017 at 9:07 PM, Guest randomdude said:

adjust it maybe?

It's actually not to do with swapping Crows, it looks like Azor has possibly forgotten to add in Explosive at the start. Will pass it on anyway and find out if it is a mistake/issue and get if fixed. You would still crows after Harpoon, even according to the SV FAQ. 

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I don't know if someone noted that earlier, but in Gems, Enchants and Consumables page the recommended gems and enchants are haste, but on Stat Priority page it says "[...]  and because Versatility is much less frequent on gear, that is what you should be gemming and enchanting in almost all cases as well. "

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19 minutes ago, Vuda said:

I don't know if someone noted that earlier, but in Gems, Enchants and Consumables page the recommended gems and enchants are haste, but on Stat Priority page it says "[...]  and because Versatility is much less frequent on gear, that is what you should be gemming and enchanting in almost all cases as well. "

Good catch! Will pass this on and get it clarified/fixed.

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Guest Lathe

I have a couple questions about BM's The Apex Predator's Claw. Does the 5% damage buff apply to Flanking Strike, and if so, where does it fall in survival's legendary rankings? If used, am I correct in assuming Tenacity is the best spec for a pet?

Also relating to legendaries, if using Nesingwary's Trapping Treads, is using Caltrops on CD recommended (provided I'm not energy capped), or should I still only use it to maintain the DoT?

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6 hours ago, Guest Lathe said:

I have a couple questions about BM's The Apex Predator's Claw. Does the 5% damage buff apply to Flanking Strike, and if so, where does it fall in survival's legendary rankings? If used, am I correct in assuming Tenacity is the best spec for a pet?

Also relating to legendaries, if using Nesingwary's Trapping Treads, is using Caltrops on CD recommended (provided I'm not energy capped), or should I still only use it to maintain the DoT?

Will ask Azor and let you know!

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On 2/14/2017 at 5:10 AM, Guest Lathe said:

I have a couple questions

Responses from Azor:

  1. It should apply, but the legendary basically still sucks. It's not great for BM and it's even worse for SV, since it's also a terrible stat stick.
  2. If you have absolutely nothing else to spend your energy or global on since everything is under control/need focus, then yes, use it before the DoT expires. If not, don't.

Hope this helps!

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Guest Anon

What is the reasoning behind 16%mastery guaranteeing 100% MB proc through flanking strike. I understand there is triple the chance with 2pc but that hardly gets to 100%. Is there something I'm missing?

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5 hours ago, Guest Anon said:

What is the reasoning behind 16%mastery guaranteeing 100% MB proc through flanking strike. I understand there is triple the chance with 2pc but that hardly gets to 100%. Is there something I'm missing?

So, perhaps it was unclear before how the Survival 2pc worked, but blizz cleared it up in this tweet:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/834179027019575296

So, with that 16x6 = 96.
That's pretty damn close to 100, considering 17x6 = 102.

So, if we want to nitpick, I suppose the 100% value would be 16.7x6 = 100.2%

Therefore, the 2pc is ridiculous, if you haven't figured that out already. Every 4.5s ish(assuming 10k haste - i dont have it so cant be accurate), you are guaranteed 1 Mongoose Bite. Which means during the 14s Mongoose Bite window you generate 3.11~ stacks from Flanking Strike, which ensures you will always get at least 1 6 stack Mongoose Bite per window.

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Guest Wyrdhoof

A very good guide,however i have a question about it.

 

As far as i can count,the current BiS gear set up dont provide the 10% master that you should have?

 

Or am  i missing something?

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Guest Eliazer

So I can't seem to find this in the guide anymore: do riverbeasts and scorpids still have a chance to proc Mongoose Bite from their mortal strike ability? I know I read it at some point, because I've been toting this hippo around for months for a reason, but was trying to explain it to another hunter friend today and cannot find the citation. Am I insane? Can I use a wolf now?

Also, where does Convergence of Fates stand if you have Call of the Wild? I'd assume they would rocket upwards in that situation for survival, but I don't have the bracers to test it with myself.

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On 27/2/2017 at 2:29 AM, Guest Eliazer said:

So I can't seem to find this in the guide anymore: do riverbeasts and scorpids still have a chance to proc Mongoose Bite from their mortal strike ability? I know I read it at some point, because I've been toting this hippo around for months for a reason, but was trying to explain it to another hunter friend today and cannot find the citation. Am I insane? Can I use a wolf now?

Also, where does Convergence of Fates stand if you have Call of the Wild? I'd assume they would rocket upwards in that situation for survival, but I don't have the bracers to test it with myself.

According to developers, now, all the pets should have the same probabilities of generating a Mangoose Bite charge since they fixed the Mastery. Now it's attached uniquely to pets basic attacks, not abilities (this is why it's now suggested to use the Ferocity pet specialization since one of it's passives increases it's autoattack haste). Thus you can rock any pet you want, although I would suggest you to use, in a raid/dungeon envoriment, either a Crane (for combat res) or a Netheray (for Heroism/Bloodlust), and in a PVP envoriment use any of the Mortal wounds pets (I use myself a Carrion bird). If you are not interested in any of the previous things (or you already have plenty of c-resers and Heroism users like shamans or mages) then you can go with any pet you like.

 

Regarding the Convergence of Fates and Call of the wild combo, I got my Call of the wild last week (f*cking finally), and I actually have the Convergence of Fates (with 890 ilvl). I tested several combinations (in unitarget), using Call of the wild in all of them: 

Kill'jaden + Bloodthirst Instict (890)

Bloodthirst Instict + Convergence of Fates + Nesinwary's Boots

Kill'jaden + Convergence of fates.

My results after several hours of testing are that Bloodthirst Instict is way too valuable to take off, so that becomes a permanent trinket. Now the battle was between Kill'jaden VS Convergence of Fates + Nesinwary's Boots and it seems Kill'jaden outclased that combo in almost every scenario. Not only it has a pretty strong burst but the stats are just too good, and to be honest Convergence of Fates really didn't made much of a difference. AT MOST I got a 15 seconds reduction on Aspect of the Eagle in each cycle, remember, although we Survival are haste maniacs our auto attacks are very, very slow in comparisson to a feral, or a enhancement, or a rogue. This devaluates the power of Convergence of Fates since the CD reduction only comes from auto attacks, not abilities.

TL;DR: My tests said that, regardless you have Call of the Wild or not, if you have both Bloodthirst Instict and Kill'jaden trinkets, go with them instead of Convergence of Fates.

 

Hope I helped you out here buddy, it's always a pleasure to interact with the Survival Community :D

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On 3/2/2017 at 1:46 PM, Guest Sacredblaze said:

According to developers, now, all the pets should have the same probabilities of generating a Mangoose Bite charge since they fixed the Mastery. Now it's attached uniquely to pets basic attacks, not abilities (this is why it's now suggested to use the Ferocity pet specialization since one of it's passives increases it's autoattack haste). Thus you can rock any pet you want, although I would suggest you to use, in a raid/dungeon envoriment, either a Crane (for combat res) or a Netheray (for Heroism/Bloodlust), and in a PVP envoriment use any of the Mortal wounds pets (I use myself a Carrion bird). If you are not interested in any of the previous things (or you already have plenty of c-resers and Heroism users like shamans or mages) then you can go with any pet you like.

 

Regarding the Convergence of Fates and Call of the wild combo, I got my Call of the wild last week (f*cking finally), and I actually have the Convergence of Fates (with 890 ilvl). I tested several combinations (in unitarget), using Call of the wild in all of them: 

Kill'jaden + Bloodthirst Instict (890)

Bloodthirst Instict + Convergence of Fates + Nesinwary's Boots

Kill'jaden + Convergence of fates.

My results after several hours of testing are that Bloodthirst Instict is way too valuable to take off, so that becomes a permanent trinket. Now the battle was between Kill'jaden VS Convergence of Fates + Nesinwary's Boots and it seems Kill'jaden outclased that combo in almost every scenario. Not only it has a pretty strong burst but the stats are just too good, and to be honest Convergence of Fates really didn't made much of a difference. AT MOST I got a 15 seconds reduction on Aspect of the Eagle in each cycle, remember, although we Survival are haste maniacs our auto attacks are very, very slow in comparisson to a feral, or a enhancement, or a rogue. This devaluates the power of Convergence of Fates since the CD reduction only comes from auto attacks, not abilities.

TL;DR: My tests said that, regardless you have Call of the Wild or not, if you have both Bloodthirst Instict and Kill'jaden trinkets, go with them instead of Convergence of Fates.

 

Hope I helped you out here buddy, it's always a pleasure to interact with the Survival Community :D

This is fabulous info, thank you! Now...I have an 865 BI and an 890 Entwined Elemental Foci...do I need to still be using BI? I have KBW in my second trinket slot. I know the Foci is good, but BI is a guaranteed proc of our very best stat so I'm a little confused, and was curious what you think.

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13 hours ago, Guest Eliazer said:

This is fabulous info, thank you! Now...I have an 865 BI and an 890 Entwined Elemental Foci...do I need to still be using BI? I have KBW in my second trinket slot. I know the Foci is good, but BI is a guaranteed proc of our very best stat so I'm a little confused, and was curious what you think.

It's definetely hard to say.. BI with 865 is low but as you said it's almost a 50% uptime in boss battles of our primary stat. I would check again the SV guide section of trinkets, maybe you can figure out which is better for you. Regardless I always prefer to do personal dummy tests and come out with my personal conclusion. For example, the tests I did showed that Spitting Cobra although generally is stronger than Expert Trapper, it was only about 5 to 10% of damage improvement, with AoE Expert Trapper was much better for sustained AoE fights. Thus I prefer just to roll with Exper Trapper.

 

Speaking about tests I also have the Entwined Elemenfal Foci (with 900 ilvl) and it was no match VS BI (with 890 ilvl), yes the proc was very very strong but I usually got 1 or 2 procs each 2 minutes. Do a 10min test against the dummy with both combinations and see what works better for you ;)

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      Windwalker Expel Harm no longer triggers combo strikes. Chi Wave no longer triggers combo strikes. Combat Wisdom now balances your Chi to 2 while out of combat. Developers’ notes: With the removal of Expel Harm from the list of combo strikes triggers, we’d like to naturally smooth out Windwalker’s opener by having them start each combat with some additional Chi. This also reduces the ramp-up steps for them to get going rotationally. Storm, Earth, and Fire now triggers Combo Strikes. Developers’ notes: Moving forward, we’d like for Combo Strikes to not trigger from spells that aren’t intuitive to mix into your rotation or aren’t directly under your control, such as Flying Serpent Kick and Chi Wave / Expel Harm procs. Along this line of thinking, we’re also adding Storm, Earth and Fire to the list of spells that can trigger Combo Strikes. We want the initiation of cooldowns to feel as smooth as possible, and we’d like to allow for Ordered Elements to feel easier to play around (also back to back Rising Sun Kicks are fun!). Ordered Elements now has a 7 sec duration (was 5). Jadefire Harmony now increases damage and healing taken by 8% for its duration (was 12%). Crane Vortex is now a 1 point talent and increases the radius of Spinning Crane Kick by 15%. Rising Star is now a 1 point talent. Vivify healing increased by 30% for Windwalker. Developers’ notes: With the removal of Expel Harm as an active button for Windwalker, we’d like Vivify to better fill the on-demand healing niche for them. Skytouch no longer increases the range of Tiger Palm, now increases critical strike chance by 15% (was 50%), and its lockout duration is 30 sec (was 60). Dance of Chi-Ji may now stack up to 2 times. Storm, Earth, and Fire clones will now copy your Tiger’s Lust casts. Developers’ notes: With the removal of Serenity in mind, we’re looking to open up counter play options for Windwalkers when their Storm, Earth, and Fire clones are crowd controlled in PvP. Flying Serpent Kick is now a 30 sec cooldown (was 20). Shadowboxing Tread’s extra Blackout Kicks are now 80% effective (was 100%). Developers’ notes: We’re adding a tuning knob to Shadowboxing Treads so we can more easily tune Blackout Kick’s damage between single target and AoE scenarios.
    • By Staff
      Blizzard have detailed the changes coming to Fire Mages in this War Within build, as we as their intentions behind them. There are many talent tree changes, with new talents aimed at more choices being available, especially in the AoE department.
      Fire (Source)
      Hello Mages!
      We have a lot of Fire Mage changes hitting the Alpha today, and we want to take some time to go over what changes were made and why. As mentioned in our update post last week, we have a few goals that span all mage specializations. These are:
      Allow you to acquire each specialization’s core gameplay with less talent point investment. Simplify rotational complexity. Provide new nodes that can help you adapt your damage profile to better match a given encounter’s demands. Provide competitive choice nodes that let you opt-out of complex gameplay. Since we’re talking about Fire only, we can get a bit more granular:
      Fire’s AOE
      The biggest issue we were looking to address with this iteration was giving you more ways to adjust your talents and rotation to better suit different profiles, which goes hand-in-hand with increasing the effectiveness and excitement of Flamestrike, Phoenix Flames, and Living Bomb. We’re excited to see what Fire Mages can cook up with the new talents. Our goal with these changes is to push Ignite-spreading out of the default playstyle in higher forms of content, especially above 3 targets-- but retain and add talent support for it so its still exciting to utilize when it makes sense.
      Sun King’s Blessing
      Sun King’s Blessing is a powerful and exciting capstone that Fire Mage players have been utilizing heavily for quite a while. We like the Sun King’s Blessing / Unleashed Inferno capstone choice node, but recognize that Unleashed Inferno still has some gaps to close, particularly in AOE.
      By increasing the stack requirement of Sun King’s Blessing to 10 and increasing Unleashed Inferno’s effectiveness in AOE, we’re hoping that the two talents can better coexist as a meaningful choice when going into an encounter.
      Maintenance Buffs
      Fire’s array of maintenance buffs has been a sore spot in Dragonflight, and its something we’re looking to address moving forward-- especially given the addition of the Aberrus tier set as talents in the Fire tree.
      Firemind is our first removal, but we’re also being sensitive to the fact that Firemind didn’t require you to play around it very much, so its removal might not be doing much to simplify the landscape of Fire’s maintenance buffs.
      We’re also simplifying Improved Scorch’s damage amplification effect to be less punishing when its dropped, but also allowing it to be opt-in complexity. Fire Mages who want increased execute damage without the addition of another maintenance buff should look towards Down in Flames, a new choice node against Improved Scorch.
      Feel the Burn is on our radar, but its output is impactful enough that it serves as a great way to express skill for Fire Mages who have mastered its gameplay. New talents along with effects from the Frostfire and Sunfury trees are increasing player’s access to Fire Blast and Phoenix Flames, so keeping Feel the Burn up should be easier than ever before.
      That’s all for this update. We’re excited to read all of your feedback on the new Fire talents!
      And here are the specific changes from the development notes:
      Fire (Source)
      Fire Fuel the Fire is now baseline New Talent - Lit Fuse: Consuming Hot Streak has a small chance to grant Lit Fuse. Lit Fuse makes your next Phoenix Flames apply Living Bomb to up to three targets. Living Bomb explodes after 2 sec, dealing damage to the target and up to 5 nearby enemies. Up to 5 enemies hit by this explosion gain Living Bomb, but this effect cannot spread further. New Talent - Explosive Ingenuity: Consuming Hot Streak has a higher chance of granting you Lit Fuse. Living Bomb damage increased by 50%. New Talent - Down in Flames (Choice node with Improved Scorch): Scorch deals 300% damage to targets below 30% health. New Talent - Quickflame (Choice node with Flame Patch): Flamestrike damage increased by 25%. New Talent - Focused Fury: Living Bomb deals more damage the fewer targets it hits, up to 300% at 1 target. New Talent - Mark of the Fire Lord: Flamestrike and Living Bomb apply Mastery: Ignite at 100% increased effectiveness. New Talent - Spontaneous Combustion (Choice node with Improved Combustion): Casting Combustion refreshes up to 3 charges of Fire Blast and up to 3 charges of Phoenix Flames. New Talent - Charring Embers: Phoenix Flames applies Charring Embers to all enemies it damages, increasing their damage taken from you by 5% for 12 sec. New Talent - Fire’s Ire: When you’re not under the effect of Combustion, your critical strike chance is increased by 2.5%. When you’re under the effects of Combustion, your critical strike damage is increased by 2.5%. Two-rank talent. New Talent - Explosivo: Casting Combustion grants Lit Fuse. While under the effects of Combustion, consuming Hot Streak has a substantially increased chance to grant you Lit Fuse. New Talent - Blast Zone: Lit Fuse can now apply Living Bomb to up to five targets. Living Bombs can now spread to eight enemies. New Talent - Ashen Feather (Choice node with Majesty of the Phoenix): If Phoenix Flames hits only one target, it deals 50% increased damage and applies Ignite at 100% effectiveness. New Talent - Majesty of the Phoenix (Choice node with Ashen Feather): When Phoenix Flames damages 3 or more targets, your next 2 Flamestrikes have their cast time reduced by 1.5 sec and their damage is increased by 20%. Fervent Flickering has been redesigned: Now reduces the cooldown of Fire Blast by 2 sec Controlled Destruction has been redesigned: Damaging a target with Pyroblast increases the damage it receives from Ignite by 2%. This effect stacks up to 25 times. Developers’ notes: This talent is currently stacking past 25. This is not intentional and will be corrected in a future update. Improved Scorch has been redesigned: Casting Scorch on targets below 30% health increases the damage the target takes from you by 5% for 12 sec. This effect stacks up to 2 times. Flame Accelerant has been redesigned: Every 12 seconds, your next Fireball, Flamestrike, or Pyroblast has a 40% reduced cast time. Unleashed Inferno has been redesigned: While Combustion is active your Fireball, Pyroblast, Fire Blast, Scorch, and Phoenix Flames deal 50% increased damage and reduce the cooldown of Combustion by 1.25 sec. While Combustion is active, Flamestrike deals 25% increased damage and reduces the cooldown of Combustion by 0.25 sec for each critical strike, up to 1.25 sec. Convection has been redesigned: When a Living Bomb expires, if it did not spread to another target, it refreshes its duration. A Living Bomb can only benefit from this effect once. Pyromaniac has been redesigned: Casting Pyroblast or Flamestrike while Hot Streak is active has an 8% chance to repeat the spell cast at 100% effectiveness, but the copied spell cannot contribute to Hot Streak. This effect counts as consuming Hot Streak. Phoenix Reborn has been redesigned: When your direct damage spells hit an enemy affected by Charring Embers 20 times, the damage of your next 2 Phoenix Flames is increased by 200% and they refund a charge on use. Call of the Sun King is now in Gate 1 Searing Touch has been removed. Searing Touch’s critical strike threshold functionality is now baseline to Scorch. Improved Scorch’s movement speed increase is now baseline to Scorch. Incendiary Eruptions, Firemind, and Tempered Flames removed. Firestarter, Intensifying Flame, Inflame, Controlled Destruction, Wild Fire, and Flame Accelerant are now in Gate 2. Flame On is now 1 point and no longer reduces the cooldown of Fire Blast. Critical Mass is now 1 point. Wildfire is now 1 point. Conflagration has been removed. Fevered Incantation is now 2 points Sun King’s Blessing now grants Sun King’s Fury after consuming 10 Hot Streaks. Hyperthermia now has an activation overlay.
    • By Staff
      The Earthen join the Allied Race roster in this week's War Within Alpha build! Blizzard detail their current Alpha experience, as well as their racial abilities and future plans.
      Earthen (Source)
      Greetings, Alpha testers!
      With today’s Alpha update, testers can all rock the Earthen first hand.
      First, some context.
      To get right into the action, new Earthen on the Alpha bypass their starting quest experience. We also have abilities that are in the final stages of design but aren’t quite ready in terms of visuals or corner-case functionality. If you’d like a higher level experience, you can create a template character using an Earthen, but in this release, we’re particularly looking for your impressions of the extensive customization options the Earthen have to offer. Feel free to show us your awesome creations!
      We’re also looking for your thoughts on the set of racial abilities we’ve imbued in our rocky friends.
      Earthen’s active ability is Azerite Surge, an empower spell which has the following effects:
      (We’re still working on the visuals for this spell, so expect to see changes in the near future as we refine it.)
      Azerite Surge–
      Draw upon your inner strength. Release to invoke the power of Azerite, dealing $s1 Fire damage. Empowering has the following effects: Stage 1: Deals Fire damage to enemies. Stage 2: Heals allies for a moderate amount. Stage 3: Deals additional Fire damage to the highest health enemy. Additionally, Earthen have four other characteristics/traits:
      Ingest Minerals – You are always Well Fed, but cannot consume food. Activate Ingest Minerals to consume a gem and change the benefit granted to you by Well Fed. Hyper Productive – Increases Finesse, which increases the chances of gathering additional materials. Titan-Wrought Frame – Base armor from items is increased by a moderate amount. Wide-Eyed Wonder – When you gain experience for exploring a location, gain additional exploration experience. Please let us know what you think in this thread. Thank you!
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