Outlaw Rogue 7.3

[Clue 0]

Is it possible to get the "bis" gear updated for tov gear aswell , and idk if you can get a 880 chaos talisman , Would be nice to have it updated for a pleb like me , Seems like alot of the gear thats listed there is crit/haste/mastery which is not like statweights. But tov added alot of gear and kara aswell . Thanks in regards from a pleb rogue.

 

 

[Valks 2,373]

6 hours ago, Clue said:

Is it possible to get the "bis" gear updated for tov gear aswell , and idk if you can get a 880 chaos talisman , Would be nice to have it updated for a pleb like me , Seems like alot of the gear thats listed there is crit/haste/mastery which is not like statweights. But tov added alot of gear and kara aswell . Thanks in regards from a pleb rogue.

It will most likely be updated in the very near future for the release of NH and 7.1.5, so you'll see all new additions for that.

As for the CT, it can be upwards of 895, as long as your cache is kind to you.

[Valks 2,373]

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[SyncTrizon 0]

Just wanted to inform about a small detail on the 7.1.5 Outlaw preview, the Death from Above showcases the achievement and not the skill.

[Valks 2,373]

On 1/10/2017 at 11:45 PM, SyncTrizon said:

Just wanted to inform about a small detail on the 7.1.5 Outlaw preview, the Death from Above showcases the achievement and not the skill.

Will get that fixed, thanks!

[Guest biatch]

sorry making a list of titanforged trinkets as best in slot is totally retarded.

and the second trinket list with the graphs is useless too because u can't tell at all what trinket it is. (add tooltip or item link)

[Guest ProphetFool]

Sorry if this has been asked. I have not yet tried SImc so i'll give that a try. For a while now Shadowcraft seems broken, the rings, necks and trinkets are all over the place for outlaw. Saying that some of the top performers are a crafted 815 blue item. I'm not sure if the sim just doesn't know what to do with outlaw, or if I'm missing something key. Also is there a good resource for soft and hard caps for stats (if those are still a thing).

I've been kinda winging it, leaning heavy into vers and crit, then subbing some of mr. robot suggestions, and can pull very good dps in raid. Usually around 400k. I end up keeping a lot of gear though, and trying to do the best tests I can on target dummies, because it's currently pretty difficult to figure out if an item that drops is better than a slightly lower ilevel which I have on.

All the best to you humans!

[Furty 51]

35 minutes ago, Guest ProphetFool said:

Sorry if this has been asked. I have not yet tried SImc so i'll give that a try. For a while now Shadowcraft seems broken, the rings, necks and trinkets are all over the place for outlaw. Saying that some of the top performers are a crafted 815 blue item. I'm not sure if the sim just doesn't know what to do with outlaw, or if I'm missing something key. Also is there a good resource for soft and hard caps for stats (if those are still a thing).

I've been kinda winging it, leaning heavy into vers and crit, then subbing some of mr. robot suggestions, and can pull very good dps in raid. Usually around 400k. I end up keeping a lot of gear though, and trying to do the best tests I can on target dummies, because it's currently pretty difficult to figure out if an item that drops is better than a slightly lower ilevel which I have on.

All the best to you humans!

What is your question, exactly? Simcraft is a good resource, if you're knowledgeable enough to correctly interpret the information it spits out. 

[Guest ProphetFool]

15 hours ago, Furty said:

What is your question, exactly? Simcraft is a good resource, if you're knowledgeable enough to correctly interpret the information it spits out. 

I have two questions.

First is the vers heavy stat weight listed here still accurate?

Second is shadowcraft broken when it comes to rings, trinkets, and necks? It swings very heavy with certain trinkets, saying up to 100k dps increase, when in fact the increase is usually small to nonexistent. There are also several enchants missing from the site. 

[Furty 51]

21 minutes ago, Guest ProphetFool said:

I have two questions.

First is the vers heavy stat weight listed here still accurate?

Second is shadowcraft broken when it comes to rings, trinkets, and necks? It swings very heavy with certain trinkets, saying up to 100k dps increase, when in fact the increase is usually small to nonexistent. There are also several enchants missing from the site. 

Yes, Versatility is still very strong overall. 

Shadowcraft has been a little wack this expansion so I personally have been using SimCraft exclusively.

[Guest ProphetFool]

On 1/21/2017 at 10:29 AM, Furty said:

Yes, Versatility is still very strong overall. 

Shadowcraft has been a little wack this expansion so I personally have been using SimCraft exclusively.

This helps a lot, thanks for the help!

[Guest BlackMantas]

Have you thought about putting together something for Rogues in Mythic+ Dungeons?  I assume Outlaw is still king in there, but are the stat priorities the same?

[Guest natalyia]

all the red arrows for the artifact ranks are backwards, just thought it was weird. ty !

[Valks 2,373]

On 1/25/2017 at 5:41 AM, Guest BlackMantas said:

Have you thought about putting together something for Rogues in Mythic+ Dungeons?  I assume Outlaw is still king in there, but are the stat priorities the same?

You can use the guide to succeed in M+ for sure, there should be notes on all talents that are to be used in an AoE situation, you just need to look slightly deeper into the analysis. We do have a set of heavy cleave talents already listed in the guide, though, so take a look at that.

[Valks 2,373]

On 1/22/2017 at 7:16 PM, Guest ProphetFool said:

This helps a lot, thanks for the help!

Glad to see you got the help you needed :)

[Valks 2,373]

4 hours ago, Guest natalyia said:

all the red arrows for the artifact ranks are backwards, just thought it was weird. ty !

Where are you seeing this? They are the right way round for me?

[ddkil 3]

Hey,just wondering is it still worth to include BTE (with greenskins waterlogged wristcuffs) into rotation after the recent nerf?I have not spent much time into research but i did several tests and it seemed like with only 200% damage increase it is not worth wasting gcd and precious CotDB seconds on that anymore (may be  if only true bearing has been rolled).It looks spamming just run throughs deals more damage now.What do you think?

[Valks 2,373]

From the guide:

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 Greenskin's Waterlogged Wristcuffs gives  Between the Eyes a 20% chance per Combo Point invested to increase the damage of the next  Pistol Shot by 200%. This is the best legendary for single target. The proc should be paired with a  Blunderbuss proc whenever possible.

Looks like it is up-to-date as far as 200% is concerned and still states it is very strong. Blunderbuss is a pretty big factor in this too.

[ddkil 3]

20 minutes ago, Blainie said:

From the guide:

Looks like it is up-to-date as far as 200% is concerned and still states it is very strong. Blunderbuss is a pretty big factor in this too.

Yeah,it is definitely more damage if blunderbuss procs but in all other cases it seems weaker.And I dont know if its worth relying on that 33%(even less if free pistol shot did not proc either) .Thats why I am a bit confused about that.

[Valks 2,373]

1 minute ago, ddkil said:

Yeah,it is definitely more damage if blunderbuss procs but in all other cases it seems weaker.And I dont know if its worth relying on that 33%(even less if free pistol shot did not proc either) .Thats why I am a bit confused about that.

I'll get a confirmation on whether or not it's worth it from Furty and let you know.

[ddkil 3]

1 minute ago, Blainie said:

I'll get a confirmation on whether or not it's worth it from Furty and let you know.

Thank you.

I also just thought what if the game would calculate the blunderbuss probability right after the saber slash proc,not after the actual button pressure?And give us a little tooltip which shows that the next pistol shot will be replaced with blunderbuss?I think that would be great and solve the problem at the same time lol.

[Furty 51]

3 hours ago, ddkil said:

Thank you.

I also just thought what if the game would calculate the blunderbuss probability right after the saber slash proc,not after the actual button pressure?And give us a little tooltip which shows that the next pistol shot will be replaced with blunderbuss?I think that would be great and solve the problem at the same time lol.

Still worth using BtE on cooldown for the buff. If you don't have a Blunderbuss ready you should hold the Greenskins buff for as long as possible in order to potentially trigger Blunderbuss.

[ddkil 3]

Ok.thank you furty

[Valks 2,373]

18 hours ago, ddkil said:

Thank you.

I also just thought what if the game would calculate the blunderbuss probability right after the saber slash proc,not after the actual button pressure?And give us a little tooltip which shows that the next pistol shot will be replaced with blunderbuss?I think that would be great and solve the problem at the same time lol.

This most likely would be a nice addition, yeah :)

[Valks 2,373]

4 hours ago, ddkil said:

Ok.thank you furty

Glad to see that you got the help you needed!