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Guest Ghordo

I followed this site's guide for talent tree and was using for stat priorities as well. I recently started using simcraft. USing the addon to do live import into the desktop app.

Simcraft has stat priorites at:

Haste > Agi ~= AP > Vers ~= Crit > Mastery > RunSpeed  - simcraft

Agility > Versatility > Crit > Mastery > Haste - this site.

Maybe I have simcraft options set wrong. I dont raid other than an occasional LFR run. I don't run very many mythics because my damage is so low. Mainly pve content and some heroics when i get bored.

 

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3 hours ago, Guest Ghordo said:

Maybe I have simcraft options set wrong. 

So, when you simulate your own character, you will often get a different priority than ours. There's a fairly simple explanation: fluidity.

Stats in WoW interact with each other and, depending on your current stat levels, different stats will present more of a DPS increase than others. When you sim your character, it takes a snapshot of your character's current stat levels and then compares the different stats. It will add a point to each stat and see which one creates the largest DPS increase. It will then prioritise them accordingly.

Depending on your own gear, this could be very different from other people's priority. Our priority is meant to be a general focus that users can use at all gear levels without going in-depth with simming themselves.

If you change your gear slightly, your priority will also change.

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Guest Lorthos

Any chance the Outlaw BiS could get upgraded beyond Emerald Nightmare especially since the Assassin spec has already been done and you've done the Legendaries for Outlaw?

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8 hours ago, Guest Lorthos said:

Any chance the Outlaw BiS could get upgraded beyond Emerald Nightmare especially since the Assassin spec has already been done and you've done the Legendaries for Outlaw?

I'm sure Furty is working at it, right @Blainie?

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Also guys,are t19 set bonuses worth to be replacing higher ilvl gear?

For example, whats bigger 2 or 4 875+normal dificulty set items,or 2 or 4 regular mythic+ 880-885 items?

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11 minutes ago, ddkil said:

Also guys,are t19 set bonuses worth to be replacing higher ilvl gear?

For example, whats bigger 2 or 4 875+normal dificulty set items,or 2 or 4 regular mythic+ 880-885 items?

As a general rule, use set bonuses when you can

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11 hours ago, Guest Lorthos said:

Any chance the Outlaw BiS could get upgraded beyond Emerald Nightmare especially since the Assassin spec has already been done and you've done the Legendaries for Outlaw?

This should be done very soon! I'm sorry for the delay! It does take a bit more testing to produce a proper BiS since you need to find perfect "stat" gear from the raid according to the priority, then sim and compare to check if you could increase by replacing for what could be a worse piece of "priority" gear. 

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On 4.2.2017 at 3:26 PM, Blainie said:

He is indeed!

Hi, so for how long? Takes quiet a lot of time!

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3 hours ago, Guest Jeff123 said:

Hi, so for how long? Takes quiet a lot of time!

All the updates have been pending - just waiting for the admins to roll along and send them live!

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Guest Nat

Can I just say thank you for the guide, it's helped me so much since I've been playing again.

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2 hours ago, Guest Nat said:

Can I just say thank you for the guide, it's helped me so much since I've been playing again.

My pleasure!

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Guest Outlul

Any way we can get relics/priority updated? None since the most recent nerfs to Fatebringer and Fate's Thirst. Thank you! 

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On 2/19/2017 at 10:40 AM, Guest Outlul said:

Any way we can get relics/priority updated? None since the most recent nerfs to Fatebringer and Fate's Thirst. Thank you! 

Will ask Furty if there are any updates. Sorry for the wait! :)

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Guest Outlul
On February 25, 2017 at 8:36 AM, Blainie said:

Will ask Furty if there are any updates. Sorry for the wait! :)

Still waiting

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2 hours ago, Guest Outlul said:

Still waiting

To my knowledge there were no changes to make

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We are currently in the process of updating our guides in preparation for the release of 7.2 - please understand that we will not be answering questions in this section about "What is better for 7.2?" prior to the patch release, since all the information will be available when the patch goes live. Please be patient and thanks for waiting!

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13 hours ago, Tangvaffel said:

Any updates on the relic priority list? It's been a month (or more) now

Patches don't really happen that often :P

But no, nothing has changed, Run Through is still significantly better than the other options

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On 4/29/2017 at 11:53 PM, Tangvaffel said:

Any updates on the relic priority list? It's been a month (or more) now

As Carrn has said, I'm not aware of any updates that are required. If you do feel that there is an error on the page, please tell us what you think is wrong and show us why something else is better.

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I'm having a challenge I'm wondering if anyone has a solution for. During the last WotLK TW event, I happened to pick up Vestige of HaldorVestige of Haldor. The issue is it's the Warforged version (ilvl 865) which shows at this ilvl nowhere. It's a direct damage item, so initially I was under-whelmed. Then I equipped it, and ran with it while I did my routine (World quest, dungeons, and raid). When I checked my Skada, it was #3 on the list, and did borderline ridiculous damage (max hit was around 2.4 mil, I presume under Shark). Problem is I can't sim the damn thing since the 850 is nowhere near the same, and I have no idea what the PPM on it is. I'm almost tempted to not say anything, since it's either my imagination, or I can almost FEEL the nerf hammer. If it's not my imagination, this thing should be up near the top of the trinket list. Outside of standing in front of a target dummy for a couple of hours, anybody got any ideas how to figure out the value on this thing?

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3 hours ago, Troisloeil said:

I'm having a challenge I'm wondering if anyone has a solution for. During the last WotLK TW event, I happened to pick up Vestige of HaldorVestige of Haldor. The issue is it's the Warforged version (ilvl 865) which shows at this ilvl nowhere. It's a direct damage item, so initially I was under-whelmed. Then I equipped it, and ran with it while I did my routine (World quest, dungeons, and raid). When I checked my Skada, it was #3 on the list, and did borderline ridiculous damage (max hit was around 2.4 mil, I presume under Shark). Problem is I can't sim the damn thing since the 850 is nowhere near the same, and I have no idea what the PPM on it is. I'm almost tempted to not say anything, since it's either my imagination, or I can almost FEEL the nerf hammer. If it's not my imagination, this thing should be up near the top of the trinket list. Outside of standing in front of a target dummy for a couple of hours, anybody got any ideas how to figure out the value on this thing?

Effectively, no, there isn't another way that I know of. Have you got a log? Even from LFR, I'm curious to see the effectiveness of it

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I'll be raiding this weekend and I'll post a parse! I'm honestly still dubious about the thing.

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16 hours ago, Troisloeil said:

I'll be raiding this weekend and I'll post a parse! I'm honestly still dubious about the thing.

When you do, drop by the Rogue forums and post it there, to avoid filling this thread with too many posts that aren't about the guide :)

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We are currently in the process of updating our guides in preparation for the release of 7.2.5 - all questions about "What is better for 7.2.5, X or Y?" will be answered in our guide updates. Thanks for your patience while we get everything completed and good luck in the new patch!

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