Unholy Death Knight 7.3

[MrBrettimus 2]

I current run

Ebon Fever

Pestilent Pustules

Clawing Shadows

Sludge Belcher

Lingering Apparition

Necrosis

Soul Reaper

Im 894 ilvl with The Instructor's Fourth Lesson and Draugr, Girdle of the Everlasting King.

Stats of

Crit 20%

Haste 21%

Mastery 63%

Versatility 4%

I hold about 450 - 500k dps on singke target. Now for the actual question. Is there anything my wong with my talents, percentages, or legendaries that could make me do more dmg?

[Valks 2,373]

On 4/5/2017 at 5:14 AM, MrBrettimus said:

I hold about 450 - 500k dps on singke target. Now for the actual question. Is there anything my wong with my talents, percentages, or legendaries that could make me do more dmg?

This exact question is the whole purpose of the guide. You can find everything you need there.

Talents: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/unholy-death-knight-pve-dps-spec-builds-talents

Legendaries: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/unholy-death-knight-pve-dps-gear-legendaries-best-in-slot

[MrBrettimus 2]

12 hours ago, Blainie said:

This exact question is the whole purpose of the guide. You can find everything you need there.

The problem with this is that the guide doesnt give soft caps or hard caps for stats, and i know BiS is next to pointless thanks to mythic+ but even just a general idea or stat weights for pawn, or even which 4 tier pieces are best to use etc would be helpful to the unholy dk community. Looking at the other classes the dk guides are very lacking in information for seasoned dk players.

The build i use is BASED off those guides, im looking for ways to be better.

[Korzen 0]

I noticed the build and talent section of this guide, recommend Necrosis talent, however there is no information in Rotation section about Necrosis, and nothing about the death coil usage alternating with Clawing Shadow to generate the buff. 

[MrBrettimus 2]

For necrosis you want to use dwath coil before every one-two clawing shadows to get as mych uptime on necrosis as possible.

[Zataron 5]

Hi everyone!

I have a question about the artifact progression: This guide suggests that you should take Death's Harbinger and Black Claws very late. The wowhead guide on the other hand says that you should take them right after 4 points in plaguebearer and the darkest crusade. I would like to ask if you could provide any more insight into why you take them so late. Are they actually worse than the other dps traits? A 4th point in Rotten Touch for instance does basically nothing at this point, I'd guess that it's less than a 1% dps increase overall.

Thanks!

[Valks 2,373]

On 4/7/2017 at 1:54 AM, MrBrettimus said:

The problem with this is that the guide doesnt give soft caps or hard caps for stats.

Unholy is actually one of the few that does provide a guideline for this, given the 20% approximate cap of Haste. Unfortunately, things change depending on gear and we can't tailor caps exactly to each person's gear. The only way to know exactly when a stat becomes more or less useful is by simming a character for the stat weights and we can't do that for everyone. If we provide general weights, they won't work for everyone and can end up making people worse off than if they had sought out their own weights through SimC.

I'll pass on what you've said about the tier pieces though.

[Valks 2,373]

On 4/7/2017 at 2:09 AM, Korzen said:

I noticed the build and talent section of this guide, recommend Necrosis talent, however there is no information in Rotation section about Necrosis, and nothing about the death coil usage alternating with Clawing Shadow to generate the buff. 

Will get this fixed ASAP! Meanwhile, check out Brett's comment if you haven't already.

[Valks 2,373]

On 4/9/2017 at 4:14 AM, MrBrettimus said:

For necrosis you want to use dwath coil before every one-two clawing shadows to get as mych uptime on necrosis as possible.

Thanks for helping to answer that :)

[Valks 2,373]

On 4/10/2017 at 2:32 PM, Zataron said:

I would like to ask if you could provide any more insight into why you take them so late. Are they actually worse than the other dps traits?

I'd like to answer, but I don't want to speak for the reviewer, just in case I get it wrong. Pinging @Drtain to take a look.

[Drtain 74]

@Zataron Death's harbringer is virtually useless 3 runes is rarely ever something you'll be like omg thanks i get 3 runes. And assuming you have bracers, black claws are also useless nearly. If you don't have bracers they are be considered about equally but if you have bracers there is almost no reason to take black claws. The wowhead guide relies completely off of sims, while my is a combination of sims and logic. While yes sims often give you good information sims are not real world performance nor to they always lead to correct answers. In real world performance black claws is a dps loss to get over other traits because it forces you to get a useless trait (Death's Harbringer) because you can get to the trait that is sub-par. The best way i can say this is, Which is going to do more dps Death's harbringer + Black Claws, or Rotten touch and Deadliest coil? Deadly coil will offer you the bigger increase. (This is a example)

[Faelosia 10]

Thanks @Drtain !

As you're quite a high level player, do you happen to have you ways to Blizzard's ears ? 

I find the Dark Claws trait to be actually almost a nerf.

How can you correctly prepare Apocalypse with wounds that pop randomly ? Every time I have to overcap wounds and make sure I'm at 8 before I can cast SR and Apo, in fear the ghoul will explode too many wounds.

Or maybe would you recommend no to use DT until after Apocalypse has been used ?

[Valks 2,373]

23 hours ago, Faelosia said:

As you're quite a high level player, do you happen to have you ways to Blizzard's ears ? 

There aren't many people that have this, no matter their ability in-game :p

[Drtain 74]

I do not sadly.

[Valks 2,373]

23 hours ago, Drtain said:

I do not sadly.

If only, eh?

[Faelosia 10]

Indeed, that sad :). Yet, what do you feel about the last golden ? will ou delay DT ?

[Valks 2,373]

50 minutes ago, Faelosia said:

Indeed, that sad :). Yet, what do you feel about the last golden ? will ou delay DT ?

Would you just Apo > DT to avoid the small possibility of it popping before you can pop wounds with Apo?

[Faelosia 10]

Yes, that's what I tried today. Not sure sure it's worth, but it definitely removes the stress of having to cap wounds to be able to SR + Apo and seeing that apo won't pop 6 ghouls.

After that, with the 3runes refund, I'm spamming wounds again, then DT right away.

I'd say results were Ok : https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cQBxXbWtynp47CAw

but there's probably room for improvement. 

The thing is that someone (I don't have that level of expertise unfortunately) should calculate what's the biggest loss between :

Overcapping wounds to reach 8 so you can SR, Apo while DT is active,

or delaying DT so you can SR + Apo with 6 wounds up, as before,

or going for like, 6-8 wounds (without trying to reach 8 at all costs), then SR and Apo, knowing that you could have like 4 popping, with real bad luck. (thus, only 4 ghouls.) Would prolly be even worse with the T20 2p. (still hoping that thing will be reworked too before it goes live).

[Valks 2,373]

3 hours ago, Faelosia said:

The thing is that someone (I don't have that level of expertise unfortunately) should calculate what's the biggest loss between :

That's probably where @Drtain comes in again :p

[Drtain 74]

@Faelosia Probably doesn't really matter. With that said it's probably easiest to delay it. For an opener i guess it'd be easiest to do something like this. Plague>FS>FS>SR>apo>DT then assuming you play perfectly you'll never have to delay DT again for the rest of the fight as it'll not come up before apo or if it does it'll time out before hand unless you have 3/3 relics for DT duration, which in that case rest in peace. Even if it's a loss on sims or something, sometimes sims do not equate to real world performance, which is why necrosis (at least before they buffed it to 40%) was a dps loss and not taken.

[Faelosia 10]

@Drtain Indeed, many thanks for your feedback.

For your opener though, does it mean you're going to Apo even with less than 6wounds, or were you just representing the ideal situation where at least 6 wounds would pop from 2 SR ?

When Apo was bursting all wounds I remember it was worth to explode at 7 or 8, but now that we're limited to 6 I've always considered any number less than 6 was a DPS loss. Am I correct ? 

[Valks 2,373]

On 4/26/2017 at 9:28 AM, Faelosia said:

For your opener though, does it mean you're going to Apo even with less than 6wounds, or were you just representing the ideal situation where at least 6 wounds would pop from 2 SR ?

It's very likely that he was giving an ideal situation, yeah.

[Drtain 74]

Ideal yeah. @Faelosia

[Faelosia 10]

Thx both. :)

[Valks 2,373]

On 4/28/2017 at 4:47 PM, Faelosia said:

Thx both. :)

Glad to have helped :) If you have any more questions, just ask!