Unholy Death Knight 7.3

[arson94 0]

7 hours ago, Guest Terbin said:

Is there any word on the new Potion coming out with 7.1 and if it is better/worse than old war currently?

 

I saw somebody show a sim earlier today they did in the DK discord showing the Potion of Prolonged Power was 3k-4k dps less than the Potion of the Old War.  So, it's marginally worse.

[Guest Mushbrain]

Hello Tegu and everyone else, sorry to take up your time but i was just wondering if it is worth going into Deadliest coil now first instead of going Deadly Durability/Double Doom due to the buff on Death Coil. I am behind on AP and my next selection is either Deadly Durability or Deadliest Coil for the death coil damage.

Any advice is welcome.

Thanks in advance.

[Tegu 1]

On 10/25/2016 at 9:58 AM, Geddya said:

Hello Tegu and thanks for your great guide.

It's my first time i write here and i would really need ur help...

I feel like i am underperforming to our raids and i really don't know why.. 

Do i need more mastery? cause as i search around dks most of them have around 40%-50% and have lower crit than me and performing better... i thought crit is the way to go.

Any suggestions would be amazing.

 

Here is my log from yesterday's Nythendra Mythic kill: Geddya's log

And here is my armory: Link

Thanks in advance!!

I don't see anything wrong with your gear usually more mastery comes with more gear once you balance your haste i don't see second Potion of the Old War in that log also Festering Strike should be doing more damage than your pet, at least for me that's the case usually and the most obvious things are the trinkets get rid of Nature's Call instantly ( craft DMC if you can or keep farming for better trinkets  because they seem to be your weakest link in your gear )

On 10/25/2016 at 11:34 PM, Guest Terbin said:

Is there any word on the new Potion coming out with 7.1 and if it is better/worse than old war currently?

 

I think Potion of the Old War is slightly ahead of the Strength potion for single target but for AoE & Mythic + you should run the 2500 stat one also  it's way cheaper so it's a good alternative to the PoToW.

11 hours ago, Guest Mushbrain said:

Hello Tegu and everyone else, sorry to take up your time but i was just wondering if it is worth going into Deadliest coil now first instead of going Deadly Durability/Double Doom due to the buff on Death Coil. I am behind on AP and my next selection is either Deadly Durability or Deadliest Coil for the death coil damage.

Any advice is welcome.

Thanks in advance.

You should probably go for the Deadliest Coil unless you play with Dark Arbiter, either way works to be honest.

On 10/26/2016 at 7:15 AM, arson94 said:

I saw somebody show a sim earlier today they did in the DK discord showing the Potion of Prolonged Power was 3k-4k dps less than the Potion of the Old War.  So, it's marginally worse.

Usually the people there or well the ones i know can be trusted and sounds believable to me, truth is that we aren't gonna be scaling that good with the PoToW imo but remains to be seen.

[Immoros 0]

If you have Tak'theritrix, does Dark Arbiter become the go-to talent?  Or should you still take Soul Reaper unless you particularly need the burst?

[Guest Nikol]

On 10/21/2016 at 11:49 PM, Tegu said:

I have two items that would change my crit/haste % and I'm confused which is better:

• option A would get me 28% crit 18% haste
• option B would get me 32.28% crit 14.47% haste

Which option should I go with ?

Note: castigator/si/soul reaper build

What is your item level i think i would go for option A for raids and option B for mythic +.

My ilevel is 855

[arson94 0]

6 hours ago, Immoros said:

If you have Tak'theritrix, does Dark Arbiter become the go-to talent?  Or should you still take Soul Reaper unless you particularly need the burst?

From what I understand, Dark Arbiter hasn't been worth taking since Legion dropped, even once you get the legendary shoulders.  It was only worth it in pre-patch because of the legendary ring in WoD.

 

Now what I'm wondering is if it's really worth it to hold Dark Transformation on boss pulls until I use Apocalypse or if it's better to use it on pull with my pre-pull Army and Gargoyle on pull.  And now I'm wondering if Potion of Prolonged Power might be better for Unholy with all of our pets considered on pull since it's lasts an entire minute, and if it's even better still for us with legendary shoulders.  I'm not sure which stats all of our pets scale with or if it differs between pets, including our Skulker from All Will Serve talent.

4 hours ago, Guest Nikol said:

My ilevel is 855

You probably want option A either way.  Haste as low as 14.47% would be so slow it would drive you mad.  It does me.  Just feels like days for each rune to regen.

[Guest Valnor]

Great guide, but i'm having some problems with stat weights. Through simcraft i got these:

Pawn: v1: "Valnor_Active": Strength=8.09, Ap=6.69, CritRating=7.33, HasteRating=5.51, MasteryRating=5.30, Versatility=6.10, Dps=7.54 )
 

Seems pretty weird that vers is so high. My current stats are 20% haste and crit, 54% mastery, 1% vers and 25.5k strength. Annyone know what might have gone wrong? 

[Tegu 1]

19 hours ago, Immoros said:

If you have Tak'theritrix, does Dark Arbiter become the go-to talent?  Or should you still take Soul Reaper unless you particularly need the burst?

Nope, Soul Reaper is still they way to go they overnerfed the Shoulders to a point where they are mediocre.

17 hours ago, Guest Nikol said:

My ilevel is 855

Then go with the option with more haste.

13 hours ago, arson94 said:

From what I understand, Dark Arbiter hasn't been worth taking since Legion dropped, even once you get the legendary shoulders.  It was only worth it in pre-patch because of the legendary ring in WoD.

 

Now what I'm wondering is if it's really worth it to hold Dark Transformation on boss pulls until I use Apocalypse or if it's better to use it on pull with my pre-pull Army and Gargoyle on pull.  And now I'm wondering if Potion of Prolonged Power might be better for Unholy with all of our pets considered on pull since it's lasts an entire minute, and if it's even better still for us with legendary shoulders.  I'm not sure which stats all of our pets scale with or if it differs between pets, including our Skulker from All Will Serve talent.

You probably want option A either way.  Haste as low as 14.47% would be so slow it would drive you mad.  It does me.  Just feels like days for each rune to regen.

It is worth to delay sometimes your Dark Transformation so you can line it up with the Apocalypse of your Gargoyle but usually you should be delaying your Gargoyle  instead of Dark Transformation simply because you get 2 Gargyles per fight and first one is easy to pull off while the 2nd can be used when you have everything available. Regarding the potion there were apparently sims showing the str potion being a few thousand dps behind Potow but i can't confirm, i'm still using Potow.

7 hours ago, Guest Valnor said:

Great guide, but i'm having some problems with stat weights. Through simcraft i got these:

Pawn: v1: "Valnor_Active": Strength=8.09, Ap=6.69, CritRating=7.33, HasteRating=5.51, MasteryRating=5.30, Versatility=6.10, Dps=7.54 )
 

Seems pretty weird that vers is so high. My current stats are 20% haste and crit, 54% mastery, 1% vers and 25.5k strength. Annyone know what might have gone wrong? 

Not sure, i am not simming myself so i can't say if you are doing something wrong but i prefer mastery over versatility especially if you have the legendary bracers.

[arson94 0]

I can't find which stats all of our pets (ghoul/abom, gargoyle, army, skulker, apocalypse ghouls if they/ differ from army, shambler) scale with.  I think this guide said skulker scales with Str, Crit and Vers.  Does that apply to our other pets/minions as well?  And from the shambler's tooltip it looks like just attack power.  Maybe Str/AP is a safe assumption on all of them at the least?

[Tegu 1]

On 10/28/2016 at 10:54 PM, arson94 said:

I can't find which stats all of our pets (ghoul/abom, gargoyle, army, skulker, apocalypse ghouls if they/ differ from army, shambler) scale with.  I think this guide said skulker scales with Str, Crit and Vers.  Does that apply to our other pets/minions as well?  And from the shambler's tooltip it looks like just attack power.  Maybe Str/AP is a safe assumption on all of them at the least?

Depends of the pet, i think Gargoyle / Arbiter / Skulker scales with everything ( Skulker doesn't scale with Mastery ). Shambler should be everything if the explosion is shadow damage and your own pet & army with everything i think because of the Portal to the Underworld trait. Actually i doubt that your own pet scales with mastery ( speaking of gas cloud ).

[Guest Idlix]

Hi Tegu! Do you have any idea what are the stats weight of a Unholy DK? 

 

I've look at other websites and i can't find any. Looking to import it to Pawn. Thank you!

 

[Tegu 1]

On 11/2/2016 at 10:10 AM, Guest Idlix said:

Hi Tegu! Do you have any idea what are the stats weight of a Unholy DK? 

 

I've look at other websites and i can't find any. Looking to import it to Pawn. Thank you!

 

Not really, don't think anyone has actual stat weights for either Unholy or Frost right now. Sorry!

[Geddya 0]

I see more and more dks choose the frost spec...

I wonder how good is it nowdays (after the buff). 

Is it still Unholy > Frost in terms of single target dps?

[Tegu 1]

1 hour ago, Geddya said:

I see more and more dks choose the frost spec...

I wonder how good is it nowdays (after the buff). 

Is it still Unholy > Frost in terms of single target dps?

Not sure to be honest, i personally switched to Frost because seems to be on par or better than Unholy even if Unholy has the legendary bracers. Without the Legendary bracers Unholy is quite a bit behind compared to Frost i think.

[Guest Idlix]

I'm sticking with Unholy no matter what happens. I just got the Legendary bracers. Currently wondering what stats should i increase.

I know mastery is going to be on top, but do we have a cap for mastery like haste does? and how much crit should i get? Currently farming for Chronoshard for one of our BiS and Memento

[Guest Vordread]

I also have the braces too and as the guide suggests I am definitely getting better results on single target using Unholy Frenzy (as long as you keep it active) and Infected Claws in order to help apply those FW's (due to no longer using castigator and having less crit). My iLvl is only 867 and am finding having 27% Crit (to still proc ursoc trink), 20% haste and 44% mastery (more if I can get it) seems to be the best balance with my current gear for single target damage sustainment. On short AOE pulls I'm not as effective but I'm purely aiming for single target. Also regarding trinkets, I refuse to use any that doesn't have strength as I'm finding losing 1200+ STR is too much of a dps loss (from what I've found hitting alot of dummies).

There's no doubt though, Frost is FOTM... from the gutter,  to the Frozen Throne (I remember reading somewhere).

[Guest Guest]

Hi, seeing as Unholy Frenzy gains more value and could in fact be better than Castigator when the legendary bracers are acquired, how would the stat priority change? With Castigator we stacked crit to maximize it's effect, what would be more beneficial to let's say, an Unholy Frenzy and Infected Claws combo? I'd imagine that haste would increase both the benefit from the Unholy Frenzy attack speed buff as well as increase the abomination's attack speed and generate more wounds, so could that still add more value even after hitting the 19% cap? In terms of the other 3 stats I guess mastery would be the preferred choice because of the effect Bursting Sores has on Festering Wound damage in combination with the bracers?

[Tegu 1]

10 hours ago, Guest Idlix said:

I'm sticking with Unholy no matter what happens. I just got the Legendary bracers. Currently wondering what stats should i increase.

I know mastery is going to be on top, but do we have a cap for mastery like haste does? and how much crit should i get? Currently farming for Chronoshard for one of our BiS and Memento

I don't have the bracers so i can't say for sure but from what i've been seeing  top parses go for like 30 % crit, 18/19 % haste and then heavy mastery. You still need the crit for Castigator.

4 hours ago, Guest Vordread said:

I also have the braces too and as the guide suggests I am definitely getting better results on single target using Unholy Frenzy (as long as you keep it active) and Infected Claws in order to help apply those FW's (due to no longer using castigator and having less crit). My iLvl is only 867 and am finding having 27% Crit (to still proc ursoc trink), 20% haste and 44% mastery (more if I can get it) seems to be the best balance with my current gear for single target damage sustainment. On short AOE pulls I'm not as effective but I'm purely aiming for single target. Also regarding trinkets, I refuse to use any that doesn't have strength as I'm finding losing 1200+ STR is too much of a dps loss (from what I've found hitting alot of dummies).

There's no doubt though, Frost is FOTM... from the gutter,  to the Frozen Throne (I remember reading somewhere).

All  top parses still shows that Castigator > Unholy Frenzy but if you like UF more or you get better more results with it go for it i guess.

1 hour ago, Guest Guest said:

Hi, seeing as Unholy Frenzy gains more value and could in fact be better than Castigator when the legendary bracers are acquired, how would the stat priority change? With Castigator we stacked crit to maximize it's effect, what would be more beneficial to let's say, an Unholy Frenzy and Infected Claws combo? I'd imagine that haste would increase both the benefit from the Unholy Frenzy attack speed buff as well as increase the abomination's attack speed and generate more wounds, so could that still add more value even after hitting the 19% cap? In terms of the other 3 stats I guess mastery would be the preferred choice because of the effect Bursting Sores has on Festering Wound damage in combination with the bracers?

Once again i don't have the bracers and i'm not sure but like i wrote above Castigator still has the best results and regarding the stats i assume it's gonna be something like haste to some point and then mastery.

[arson94 0]

My understanding from the DK discord is that UF sims higher in ST situations with no movement, which never happens.  Having to leave melee range on your target tanks your dps and tanks it hard.  In actuality, you maintain much higher dps with Castigator because you're not severely punished for movement.  Once you have the bracers, you definitely go with Infected Claws whereas Shadow Infusion was the suggested talent prior to obtaining legendary bracers.

 

 

Edited November 4, 2016 by arson94

[Guest aki]

 hi, if i understod correct blood elf is the race to go if you play horde. what race is best as ally? im playing dwarf right now but wanna chnage :p 

sorr for the bad english

[Tegu 1]

On 11/4/2016 at 11:35 PM, arson94 said:

My understanding from the DK discord is that UF sims higher in ST situations with no movement, which never happens.  Having to leave melee range on your target tanks your dps and tanks it hard.  In actuality, you maintain much higher dps with Castigator because you're not severely punished for movement.  Once you have the bracers, you definitely go with Infected Claws whereas Shadow Infusion was the suggested talent prior to obtaining legendary bracers.

 

 

Well yeah like you said there's no such situation where you get to smack the boss and never move.

7 hours ago, Guest aki said:

 hi, if i understod correct blood elf is the race to go if you play horde. what race is best as ally? im playing dwarf right now but wanna chnage :p 

sorr for the bad english

I have no idea about the alliance to be honest, perhaps someone else here knows?

[Guest Pacc]

On 2016-11-08 at 3:38 AM, Tegu said:

Well yeah like you said there's no such situation where you get to smack the boss and never move.

I have no idea about the alliance to be honest, perhaps someone else here knows?

I would go Human or Worgen as both of them got bonus crit (Humans got all stats though) while worgens got only crit but resistence to shadow and nature dmg and a dashlike ability for speed

[Guest Faelosia]

Hey Guys,

Silly question, if one happen to get the bracers AND the shoulders, should he go back Shadow infusion from Infected claws, to try to have both timers (dark transformation and Apocalypse) matching, or rather keep Infected Claws and enjoy the Dark Transformation's enhanced ghouls when they match ? (1apocalypse over two 2 then.)

Tried both but I must admit I'm a bit confused (and exhausted). The shoulders don't seem like that of an increase to me (having 30% bonus for a bit less than 10% of my damages isn't what I would call a godlike increase).

Thanks !

[Muzgu 1]

16 hours ago, Guest Faelosia said:

Hey Guys,

Silly question, if one happen to get the bracers AND the shoulders, should he go back Shadow infusion from Infected claws, to try to have both timers (dark transformation and Apocalypse) matching, or rather keep Infected Claws and enjoy the Dark Transformation's enhanced ghouls when they match ? (1apocalypse over two 2 then.)

Tried both but I must admit I'm a bit confused (and exhausted). The shoulders don't seem like that of an increase to me (having 30% bonus for a bit less than 10% of my damages isn't what I would call a godlike increase).

Thanks !

Im pretty sure that for AoE you wanna go with IC. Your pet during DT applies TONS of wounds, and when you burst them on DnD, you deal TONS of damage. I don't have bracers but i assume you still wanna go with Castigator build (moar crit), not only to burst more wounds, but to apply more with FS crits. I usually switch IC to SI when single target but i also run with All Will Serve since i dont have bracers. With them, i will never switch from Bursting Sores. SI should be better with shoulders but i still doubt that this increase going to be better than more wounds on the target. Tier 19 4-piece bonus set seems to be very useful. you can try to add wounds one by one with death coil if you have like 6-7 wounds and then burst them all with SS and wrists or Apoc :)

Edited November 10, 2016 by Muzgu

[Guest Griffin]

On the subject of Scourge of Worlds (SoW), it is said through the guide and comments section that to use SoW correctly you must have Festering "Wounds" applied before using Scourge Strike.

My question is (assuming you're using Castigator and SoW is applied on target) do you need to have the minimum of 3 wounds on the target before using Scourge strike? Or is one wound acceptable while SoW is applied?

Eagerly waiting reply, been wondering about this for a while. Thanks.